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  1. Bhargav Parmar's Avatar
    Hello, I use Lumia 730.
    Just read news about Facebook close it's service of Facebook, Instagram, Messenger in windows 10 mobile platform. And Facebook own Whatsapp so...
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    05-06-2019 01:00 AM
  2. libra89's Avatar
    WhatsApp has a different timeline. By the end of last year (I believe), it stopped working on Windows Phone 8.
    raycpl, ven07 and Bhargav Parmar like this.
    05-06-2019 08:38 AM
  3. pikiki's Avatar
    Hello, I use Lumia 730.
    Just read news about Facebook close it's service of Facebook, Instagram, Messenger in windows 10 mobile platform. And Facebook own Whatsapp so...
    Whatsapp is doing a great job with support for old OS devices. For example, you can run it with Android 2.3.7 until february'2020.

    Whatsapp is still working on Windows Phone 8-1. By the end of this year -maybe- the support will be finished for this platform. I hope that will be the moment when the count-to-zero for Windows 10 mobile starts, hope than 12 months more. So, the minimum time (in my opinion) would be 1-january-2021.
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    05-06-2019 07:07 PM
  4. pteranodon's Avatar
    Facebook plans to end support by the end of this year:
    https://www.windowslatest.com/2019/0...r-december-31/
    Bhargav Parmar likes this.
    05-07-2019 05:48 PM
  5. Ryujingt3's Avatar
    WhatsApp will no longer work on Windows Phone after December 31st this year - it's been confirmed by WhatsApp themselves.

    https://www.hindustantimes.com/tech/...b21KenImM.html
    Bhargav Parmar likes this.
    05-08-2019 11:05 AM
  6. libra89's Avatar
    WhatsApp will no longer work on Windows Phone after December 31st this year - it's been confirmed by WhatsApp themselves.

    https://www.hindustantimes.com/tech/...b21KenImM.html
    I'm sorry that I was wrong about this.
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    05-08-2019 08:01 PM
  7. pikiki's Avatar
    WhatsApp will no longer work on Windows Phone after December 31st this year - it's been confirmed by WhatsApp themselves.

    https://www.hindustantimes.com/tech/...b21KenImM.html
    Sad news. I wrote a few lines about my expectations, based on the Whatsapp support for old OS. Some hours later here we have the reality.

    I'm still waiting for an official statement, but if this is true, in a few months would be the time to move to another platform.
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    05-08-2019 08:04 PM
  8. coolibop's Avatar
    Originally posted by Ryujingt3
    WhatsApp will no longer work on Windows Phone after December 31st this year - it's been confirmed by WhatsApp themselves.

    https://www.hindustantimes.com/tech/...b21KenImM.html
    Actually they are ending support which means it may still work. From the article: [They will] no longer release bug fixes, updates and add new features on the platform
    pteranodon, fin11 and Drael646464 like this.
    05-13-2019 05:36 PM
  9. anthonyng's Avatar
    I wonder about the expiry on whatsapp beta... I need to to not expire so I can have two whatsapps on my phone lol
    05-15-2019 11:55 AM
  10. fatclue_98's Avatar
    I would imagine there is some form of workaround. WhatsApp and other services ditched BlackBerry OS10 quite some time ago and yet Nemory Studios has working Facebook, WhatsApp and others working perfectly on BB OS10. They’re expensive but for those who want it, it’s there.
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    05-15-2019 08:07 PM
  11. anthonyng's Avatar
    I hope fall would be a very exciting time. Whatsapp should just allow us to log on with anything, multiple places, like other services (cough, telegram)
    05-16-2019 12:29 PM
  12. eshropshire's Avatar
    I would imagine there is some form of workaround. WhatsApp and other services ditched BlackBerry OS10 quite some time ago and yet Nemory Studios has working Facebook, WhatsApp and others working perfectly on BB OS10. They’re expensive but for those who want it, it’s there.
    Nemory Studio apps are wrappers around Android apps. The guys is one of the biggest crooks in mobile app development. Mention Nemory on Crackberry and watch the fireworks begin.
    05-18-2019 07:49 PM
  13. fatclue_98's Avatar
    That and 50 cents gets you a newspaper. It doesn't change the fact that the apps are available for BlackBerry OS 10 users.
    Nemory Studio apps are wrappers around Android apps. The guys is one of the biggest crooks in mobile app development. Mention Nemory on Crackberry and watch the fireworks begin.
    MSFTisMIA likes this.
    05-18-2019 08:00 PM
  14. J Dubbs's Avatar
    Switch to Android.
    Yep just rip the band-aid off already..... you'll be so glad you did. Believe me the novelty of live tiles will fade away very quickly when you actually have a truly fully functioning smartphone again ;-)
    05-21-2019 06:25 AM
  15. eshropshire's Avatar
    That and 50 cents gets you a newspaper. It doesn't change the fact that the apps are available for BlackBerry OS 10 users.
    If you consider Nemory Studio work new BB10 development then you are right. I don't know any experienced BB10 users who would agree. Personally I think the Windows 10 Mobile community is lucky not to have someone like him trying to rip them off.
    05-21-2019 01:08 PM
  16. fatclue_98's Avatar
    If you consider Nemory Studio work new BB10 development then you are right. I don't know any experienced BB10 users who would agree. Personally I think the Windows 10 Mobile community is lucky not to have someone like him trying to rip them off.
    If it works and there's a modicum of support, it's better than what we have with Windows. Sucks but it's true.
    05-21-2019 02:39 PM
  17. beman39's Avatar
    Yep just rip the band-aid off already..... you'll be so glad you did. Believe me the novelty of live tiles will fade away very quickly when you actually have a truly fully functioning smartphone again ;-)
    yes, but then have to worry about aggressive ads and viruses and key loggers and boring static icons and when I'm driving can't have my TXT messages read to me, or voice dictation txt messages to my peeps when I'm driving, or have all my contacts and photos or anything private cuzz google or app devs wanna sell all my information to the lowest bidder when installing apps/games, or have to root my phone if I wanna install my games and apps to my SD card ect ect ect.... yeah... can't wait... gonna be so glad
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    05-21-2019 08:29 PM
  18. beman39's Avatar
    "google or app devs wanna sell all my information" Why you're so worry about it? ISP also collects your information. ALMOST EVERY websites/apps nowadays collects your data.
    "aggressive ads and viruses and key loggers" WTF?
    "when I'm driving can't have my TXT messages read to me, or voice dictation txt messages to my peeps when I'm driving" Don't use your phone when you're driving or you can get fined!!!
    You make no sense... no I won't get fined as I don't have my phone in my hands (DUH).. or EVERYONE would get fined using their hands free BT devices whether in your ears or through your care stereo or through a speaker device... THINK before you reply... and EVERYONE knows google is the biggest offenders when it comes to selling your info.. and YES I am worried about it and if your're just a little intelligent then you would be too, because it isn't just YOUR information but then they look into your contact info also and I'm sure THEY wouldn't like their privacy invaded neither... maybe YOU don't mind your privacy being invaded but other intelligent people do... too many devices want to snoop on citizens today and people like you don't care and that poses a big problem... you don't look at the big picture and just consumed about getting that cool app or cool gizmo, and to hell with privacy... its just so laughable!
    fin11 likes this.
    05-25-2019 05:09 PM
  19. Drael646464's Avatar
    Almost every websites nowadays collects your information, such as IP address.
    That's a fair bit different to tracking your location, and your app useage. Your IP address tells people little. The data google collects is detailled information on your habits, logged by your gmail and user data.

    They track your actual location to serve locally relevant ads. Google is like a creepy stalker. It's more than just 'you like those, so would you like one of these'?

    Mind you apparently facebook makes shadow profiles of people who aren't even on the platform, and the US govt collects databases on everyone via five eyes, and possibly the chinese govt as well...

    BUT, I think it's perfectly reasonable to want to limit these things. That every cat and dog wants to smell your underwear isn't a reason to just accept it.

    Not to mention Google is censorious; they ban stuff on youtube, and curate search results AND they have been gradually increasing ads on search to the point where it's now quite ridiculous and it's hard to believe anyone tolerates it. Just the sheer amount of ads on google search alone, is enough to make me cringe at the company.
    beman39 likes this.
    05-26-2019 10:45 AM
  20. Drael646464's Avatar
    yes, but then have to worry about aggressive ads and viruses and key loggers and boring static icons and when I'm driving can't have my TXT messages read to me, or voice dictation txt messages to my peeps when I'm driving, or have all my contacts and photos or anything private cuzz google or app devs wanna sell all my information to the lowest bidder when installing apps/games, or have to root my phone if I wanna install my games and apps to my SD card ect ect ect.... yeah... can't wait... gonna be so glad

    My advice is do what I am going to do, get an android phone that is lineageOS compatible (from their lists), and install lineageOS with MicroG (which are open source APIs that spoof google services). MicroG has a non official fork of every form of lineage, that has MicroG bundled. It uses for eg, openstreetmaps instead of google maps.

    It's not 100% compatible with every app, but close enough that most things with google dependancies will work. And at least half of your apps can have no google dependancies anyway.

    It still contacts google servers when it has to but gives them as little info as possible (strips out the user data, email only). So the most google will know, is SOME of the apps you are using, but not HOW you are using them, or where you are travelling, things you type etc.

    Then install as much software that doesn't use google APIs or software dependancies as possible (like from fdroid, or the amazon app store).

    That's about as much control as you can get on android. It's a hassle, but it's what I'll be doing. Then you can install blackberry apps or microsoft apps or both, and get a fairly non-google experience, an open source keyboard, and some sort of encrypted chat software.

    Another option is buy a blackberry. Most secure version of android, and a lot of it is geared to encryption. Although I don't think that's nearly as private myself, but it is off the shelf.
    05-26-2019 10:50 AM
  21. beman39's Avatar
    My advice is do what I am going to do, get an android phone that is lineageOS compatible (from their lists), and install lineageOS with MicroG (which are open source APIs that spoof google services). MicroG has a non official fork of every form of lineage, that has MicroG bundled. It uses for eg, openstreetmaps instead of google maps.

    It's not 100% compatible with every app, but close enough that most things with google dependancies will work. And at least half of your apps can have no google dependancies anyway.

    It still contacts google servers when it has to but gives them as little info as possible (strips out the user data, email only). So the most google will know, is SOME of the apps you are using, but not HOW you are using them, or where you are travelling etc.

    Then install as much software that doesn't use google APIs or software dependancies as possible (like from fdroid, or the amazon app store).

    That's about as much control as you can get on android. It's a hassle, but it's what I'll be doing. Then you can install blackberry apps or microsoft apps or both, and get a fairly non-google experience, and some sort of encrypted chat software.

    Another option is buy a blackberry. Most secure version of android, and a lot of it is geared to encryption. Although I don't think that's as private myself.
    all good suggestions! but I find it shocking we have to do those steps to get some sort of privacy... and very alarming where the future is heading... gotta read that book george orwell 1984
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    05-26-2019 11:01 AM
  22. Drael646464's Avatar
    all good suggestions! but I find it shocking we have to do those steps to get some sort of privacy... and very alarming where the future is heading... gotta read that book george orwell 1984
    It is shocking TBH. I read half of that book. There's an apparently halfway decent movie version too.

    I'm kind of hoping the cold tech war with China, and Huawei ban etc, busts open some google free opportunities in the form of a third party app store like aptoide getting much bigger. I mean if you needed any more proof that we are being spied on more than anyone knows, look at how China and the US treat each other's tech.

    The list at amazon app store is halfway there (so long as you stay away from their creepy assistant!). So there's a window for that google free list to get big enough. PWAs also represent an opportunity if they grow enough.

    Duckduckgo is a solid search engine. You really gotta make IMO, a conscious choice to support private and free alternatives where ever you can, or you are supporting a beast that goes nowhere good, along with all the 'slow boiling frogs' who don't see it.
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    05-26-2019 11:10 AM
  23. Drael646464's Avatar
    But DuckDuckGo isn't as good as Google.
    You're right, it's not 'as good as google search', it's 'better than google search'.

    *You don't get artificially vetted biased perspectives on political topics w/ DDG (try a side by side search on anything controversial or politically charged, because if you do, you'll see googles results suck; even just search 'trump' DDG returns neutral results about the man, wiki, newsfeeds, twitter etc, google results a tonne of articles complaining about him, heck googles wiki article result is like 7th or something).

    Basically, Google doesn't know how to just present information that you request, they want to deliver you their personal opinion.

    *You also don't get a whole screen load of ads masquerading as results. In fact, you get basically none (they do use ads for revenue. but they don't dominate your screen, and often aren't there at all)

    *Duckduckgo is private and doesn't track your data

    Bing, isn't as good as google search (which is why I could never use it). DDG is better. Straight up, if it wasn't private, or I didn't dislike Google, I'd still choose it over google search.

    If I search something I don't want instead five lines of ads, and someones personal bias. I just want the thing I actually searched for.
    Last edited by Drael646464; 05-27-2019 at 10:29 AM.
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    05-27-2019 10:17 AM
  24. Ryujingt3's Avatar
    It is shocking TBH. I read half of that book. There's an apparently halfway decent movie version too.

    I'm kind of hoping the cold tech war with China, and Huawei ban etc, busts open some google free opportunities in the form of a third party app store like aptoide getting much bigger. I mean if you needed any more proof that we are being spied on more than anyone knows, look at how China and the US treat each other's tech.

    The list at amazon app store is halfway there (so long as you stay away from their creepy assistant!). So there's a window for that google free list to get big enough. PWAs also represent an opportunity if they grow enough.

    Duckduckgo is a solid search engine. You really gotta make IMO, a conscious choice to support private and free alternatives where ever you can, or you are supporting a beast that goes nowhere good, along with all the 'slow boiling frogs' who don't see it.
    Nineteen Eighty Four, I thought, was a fantastic book, and my favourite. The movie was good too. Everyone loves convenience these days, which is why the big tech companies can treat us like they do. We aren't the customers, we are the product.
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    05-27-2019 10:54 AM
  25. Drael646464's Avatar
    About privacy, you should remember that if you're on the internet, you're being tracked. The ISP can track you. Private browsing mode isn't actually private, it only prevent browser from saving your browsing data but doesn't prevent websites from tracking you unless you using a VPN. Technically almost every websites tracking you.
    Brave browser blocks website tracking. But yeah, you gotta do a lot of different things to minimize it. You can, for example, use the 1.1.1.1 DNS service, instead of your ISP's service, so they don't have a register of the IP's you visit. Then there are things like the e-mail addresses you use to register places. The more integrated you are in to say, the Google ecosystem, the more that tracks you, on Android or PC. If you use anything service like youtube, or facebook, it tracks your interests etc.

    It's not so much that you can be invisible on the www/ip internet (well unless you use tor, or similar instead), more that you can be more or less visible, depending on how much you care, or are willing to do.

    I think for a lot of purposes end to end encrypted messaging is a good start. Whatsapp, whilst it does store your contact info, is end to end, for messaging, attachments, and video calling. And it's popular. Add to that brave browser, 1.1.1.1 and a vpn, and you are pretty private, aside from the services/accounts you might use.

    That said, most email isn't secure. And there is no widely adopted solution. And you'd have to use social media quite selectively, or focus on models without an advertising monetization.
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    06-09-2019 10:00 AM

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