1. seasidepb's Avatar
    Seems to me it's worth reminding people that MS has NOT made 10S mandatory, probably for all the reasons discussed here. Its laudable aim with UWP is to push developers towards a better, stricter model for OS interaction, one that doesn't knacker the OS over time. But if its serious about that it needs to be removing as many barriers to the shift as possible, including commercial ones - trying to force the market when the software's not in place is clearly not the way to go, but as I say, MS hasn't done that. What it is doing with 10S I think is to try seed consumer demand, probably in the hope this will get more developers interested. It would benefit us all if they succeeded.
    07-18-2017 11:38 AM
  2. saket87's Avatar
    I see people saying that's very bad. Well then I would say that is not for you. If you think that's bad then just unlock it to home or pro. While I have seen commenters say nobody wants to pay extra, you need to realize that your laptop will be cheaper in the first place to buy with 10S.
    I've seen people with adware and toolbars (when fixing other's computers) that get installed without them even knowing. For those people it's great to use 10s. If you know what you're doing then it's not for you. And also if you buy a installer to install yourself that should not be S.
    I agree with the OP, makes the laptop tablet cheaper (which should be logical) and safe and secure. If you are against it, then you need to think about people who's computer is filled with adware which is a lot. Before you say it's their fault for not taking care of it, realize that they don't know it's there and how to take care of it. For those people they should use S. Also and the time to unlock should be more than 6 months. I would say 1-2 years would be sweet.
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    07-18-2017 11:59 AM
  3. MadSci2's Avatar
    In a word - NO!
    To begin with, this is Microsoft. Their understanding of what Consumers want, how to inform/sell to them, and support are so poor that forcing this unwanted/unfamiliar OS on them is very unwise.

    Case in point. This weekend I bought a Surface Laptop. I have an Office 365 home subscription, so naturally I tried to implement it on my brand new Microsoft machine.

    - Epic Fail! It couldn't install because the link that is sent to your email when you add the machine to your Office 365 permission list only attempts to install the version from Microsoft's Office 365 Site - not the Store!

    Hello! Microsoft! This is your system. You own it end to end. Having it not work for a Customer who plunks down a premium price for an all Microsoft hardware/software system is inexcusable!

    And it gets better. There are NO notifications as to why it won't work. You hit the button on the browser and nothing happens. No banner, no explanation - nothing.

    And it gets even better when you try to get help from Microsoft's own Technicians. After being told all the details, including the OS involved, they follow a script that begins from the assumption that the problem is that Edge is incompatible with the web page involved. Yes, that's right. Microsoft BEGINS with the assumption that their own browser/webpages are faulty.

    After 45 minutes of this and other nonsense I hung up, upgraded the laptop to Win 10Pro and everything worked just fine.

    Imagine the massive CF if all the windows machines currently being sold had this problem! Presumably, Microsoft is comfortable using it's premium paying customers to debug a system that they have clearly given NO thought to whatsoever. Another brilliant customer satisfaction plan from the geniuses who brought you Windows Me, Vista and Windows Phone!

    The only good thing you can say about this is that by limiting the dissatisfied and abused customers to those who bought Microsoft hardware, they are increasing the opportunities for increased market share for OEMs!
    07-18-2017 12:33 PM
  4. COLIN BARNHORST's Avatar
    NO!

    Isn't there an anti-trust issue here? If Apple could have gotten away with this wouldn't they? You bet!
    07-18-2017 12:59 PM
  5. tgp's Avatar
    Imagine the massive CF if all the windows machines currently being sold had this problem! Presumably, Microsoft is comfortable using it's premium paying customers to debug a system that they have clearly given NO thought to whatsoever. Another brilliant customer satisfaction plan from the geniuses who brought you Windows Me, Vista and Windows Phone!
    Here's my opinion on this: Microsoft believes that most customers will purchase the Pro upgrade. This will have a valuable purpose; hardware sales will increase because prices on the shelf are lower, but buyers will end up paying the extra cost of full Windows anyway. Even if they didn't intend to upgrade, they'll probably end up doing it anyway after an experience similar to yours.
    07-18-2017 01:07 PM
  6. MadSci2's Avatar
    "Here's my opinion on this: Microsoft believes that most customers will purchase the Pro upgrade. This will have a valuable purpose; hardware sales will increase because prices on the shelf are lower, but buyers will end up paying the extra cost of full Windows anyway. Even if they didn't intend to upgrade, they'll probably end up doing it anyway after an experience similar to yours."

    I agree, although it's worth pointing out that at the moment ONLY Surface products come pre-loaded with Windows 10S, and the 'upgrade' to Win 10 Pro is free.
    A Win 10S machine is useless in the workplace or Academic environment. Until the Windows Store becomes far more robust and comprehensive, Win 10S will hooble the utility of any machine it's installed on.
    07-18-2017 01:36 PM
  7. tgp's Avatar
    I agree, although it's worth pointing out that at the moment ONLY Surface products come pre-loaded with Windows 10S, and the 'upgrade' to Win 10 Pro is free.
    Yes I realize that, but it's not intended to be permanently free as far as we know. But who knows...
    07-18-2017 02:01 PM
  8. SvenJ's Avatar
    Absolutely not. I'm a business. I buy a bunch of laptops and expect to join them to my domain, an O365 business domain BTW and install Office 2016. (The full Office suite BTW, not just the three they have ported via Centennial and are distributing in Beta). I can't do this until I upgrade each one to Win 10 Pro? Are you kidding me? So no, every single laptop/tablet sold should NOT come with Windows 10 S as default.
    07-18-2017 04:05 PM
  9. DMelan's Avatar
    I am of the opinion that having all computers come with 10S would essentially kill off Windows in the consumer space.

    Competitors would see it as a another chance to screw over Microsoft by not porting their apps to the store, much as we saw Google intentionally not support Windows Phone specifically because they wanted to make it harder for the platform to gain traction. Google, as one example among many, won't put Chrome in the store until AFTER 10S truly takes off, if it ever does. As others have pointed out, many established software vendors don't need the store as a distribution point and don't want to give Microsoft 30% of their revenue. A lot of smaller ISVs and peripheral vendors will also be reluctant to rework their products to work with what amounts to a new platform from their perspective. If you remember Vista's launch, I think 10S will see the same kind of crappy support from the broader ecosystem, with similar crappy results, except this time it would be mixed with dollops of deliberate rebellion and sabotage from certain "partners."

    So no, I don't think it would lead to a dramatic uptick in Store support. And without store support, consumers will get annoyed. And if consumers get annoyed, it won't take hold. Most consumers won't research what 10S is or what a free upgrade to Pro or Home implies, they'll just discover that things they installed on their last computer don't work any more. If they're forced to break with the past, maybe they should take a closer look at a Chromebook, or a cheap Android tablet, or the latest Apple gadget their friend has been raving about...
    07-18-2017 06:30 PM
  10. alex2792's Avatar
    That would he a good way to **** off a lot of customers I guess. What do you mean I can't run thisisavirusyoumoron.exe?!
    07-18-2017 10:57 PM
  11. abel46's Avatar
    I think you missunderstand. We (the more or less advanced users) will newer be on Windows 10 S, but it's a goodsend if we can get the rest (that is not knowing what they do anyway) on the S version. Will be so better for us "experts" when we not have to clean up the mess for the average users.

    I really hope that Windows 10 S will be on every new machine sold. (With the option to upgrade to regular Windows for one year, for free.)
    07-19-2017 04:36 AM
  12. Wevenhuis's Avatar
    With 6 months to upgrade to Windows 10 Pro/Home without additional charges. (With the caveat that MS changes its policy to allow third party browsers as default if it came from the Windows Store).

    I have no idea why Microsoft didnt implement this policy, and here are my reasons:

    1. This will force a lot of win32 apps like Firefox, Chrome, Adobe, and other popular legacy developers to use centennial bridge to add their apps into the Windows Store.

    2. I strongly feel that most people use their laptops to browse the web, communicate with relatives via skype, messenger, or other live chat apps. The need to install apps downloaded from the web is genuinely for professionals and those types of people will undoubtedly have the knowledge/skills required to upgrade to Windows 10 Pro.

    3. This will also immensely help holographics, and Microsoft next vision of Mobile (Whatever that may be).

    4. The idea that Windows is unsafe and "full of viruses and malware" will surely go away when the majority of the casual users are running Windows 10 S. The more sophisticated users never really have that concept in the first place.

    I really hope Microsoft is "testing the waters" with Windows 10S and getting old legacy win32 apps developers to port their apps into the Windows Store before Microsoft finally rolls out this policy officially in 2018. Maybe charge OEM less for licensing Windows 10 S instead of Windows 10 Home/Pro so it gives them incentive to push Win 10 S rather than the full version.
    07-19-2017 06:10 AM
  13. Wevenhuis's Avatar
    Oops. sent an empty reply.

    I'm not sure if the thought or action of setting windows 10S as default will push win32 app developers to push apps to centennial. I think it might make many businesses think twice about upgrading to windows 10 in the first place.

    Security and safety are important arguments, but I don't think it would resonate with all markets. Otherwise, I think we would already have more people onboard windows 10. Price and access will also remain important arguments to take into account. I think the push and pull effect will continue for a while. I think if upgrading win32 apps to project centennial would be as simple as a few button clicks and no coding at all, it would off course be a win-win situation to upgrade to win 10S for safety, security and acessibility and price.

    I don't think putting all future machines to windows 10S will solve the issue of upgrading win32 apps to the store. I think most oems or resellers will just upgrade the machines and see the 50 dollar upgrade price as an necessary tax. People will accept that.
    07-19-2017 06:20 AM
  14. Lloyd Kuhnle's Avatar
    No f%#@ing way!
    07-19-2017 09:24 AM
  15. Kimmo Toivanen's Avatar
    My opinion: as long as there is not at least good and free
    • office suit (e.g. LibreOffice)
    • 3rd party email (e.g. ThunderBird)

    in Windows Store, S is not for home users. Inkscape and Arduino IDE are already in Store, were there rumours abour Paint.net?

    Need for programs and applications varies so much, from user to another, from family to another, from home to another. Being stuck - dependent, if you like - in Store apps (like W10M ;) ) will do for "just browsing the web", but thats not enough for majority of home users. Outside US at least :D
    08-12-2017 12:42 PM
  16. uriah shm's Avatar
    People wont buy a computer with an OS that cant run all the apps they want. most of the people that use pc's use win32 programs daily. it isn't windows 10 vision either, the thing that people like so much about windows 10 is the versatility of the OS. You want to use your pc as a table, you can. you want to use your Xbox as a pc, you can.... forcing people not to use apps they use daily ruins the thing about the windows 10 ecosystem.
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    Today 09:35 AM
  17. Troy Tiscareno's Avatar
    I have used Windows since Windows 286, and currently own 4 Win10 PCs, and manage dozens more. I have never, not once, used the Windows Store for anything, and I don't know anyone who has. I don't want it, I don't need it, and if I was ever forced to it, I'd probably be running Linux Mint the next day.
    Today 08:27 PM
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