09-27-2014 09:34 AM
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  1. rahul4aug's Avatar
    My guess here.. Build 8.15.xxxx will come out as wp8.x version for existing devices and then new 'threshold' build of wp9 for new devices in Feb..just like wp7.8 and wp8.0
    08-26-2014 07:54 AM
  2. jailman's Avatar
    They clearly
    08-26-2014 07:58 AM
  3. Daniel Rubino's Avatar
    Hi ,
    Can you upgrade our current windows phone 8.1 phones like 520 , 1020 to Windows phone 9
    If Microsoft wont do this I think they will make a huge mistake by leaving the majority phones as old platform.
    I don't see why not. Microsoft is running early builds of Threshold on Lumia Phi's right now. (Lumia Phi's are like 920's but for developers).
    08-26-2014 09:54 AM
  4. salmanahmad's Avatar
    I don't see why not. Microsoft is running early builds of Threshold on Lumia Phi's right now. (Lumia Phi's are like 920's but for developers).
    I am curious, have you tried one of these "Lumia Phi's" running Threshold?
    08-26-2014 10:02 AM
  5. Daniel Rubino's Avatar
    I am curious, have you tried one of these "Lumia Phi's" running Threshold?
    ​No, but if I did I wouldn't say it in a public forum.
    08-26-2014 10:19 AM
  6. Chris Senn's Avatar
    All this talk about WP9 and I just got a WP8 like last week.
    And in all the articles never they mention if you can do an upgrade with current phone.
    08-26-2014 11:33 AM
  7. Shan Ali Khan's Avatar
    ​No, but if I did I wouldn't say it in a public forum.
    So it mean we even 520 phone owners should wait for windows phone 9 also ? For surely !
    08-26-2014 01:34 PM
  8. Shan Ali Khan's Avatar
    Yes i still thibk its microsoft made a mistake again by not providing support for old phone what will be happen to all us.
    If they did i will shift towards iphone even i dnt want to :( rather then buying new phone again of WP
    08-26-2014 01:35 PM
  9. Fadi Dababneh2's Avatar
    I think that they will support my lumia 630 due to the fact that it was released on 2014 and it has a quad core processor. I think that they will support all lumia phones. What do you guys think?
    08-26-2014 02:52 PM
  10. Mahdi Ghiasi's Avatar
    I think they must update Lumia 630, because it's a new phone.
    Now, if we consider threshold will need Quad code processor, then 920, 1020, 1320 ... will left behind, which is unlikely.
    And if we consider that threshold will need 1GB RAM, then 630 will left behind, which is unlikely again. If they wanted to abandon 512MB phones, they would release 630 with 1GB RAM for sure.
    So, I think all Lumias will be upgradable to Threshold.
    08-26-2014 07:21 PM
  11. psoham777's Avatar
    Getting windows 9 on your phone is a long way! I don't think phones from 520-1520 would get windows 9! 1520 might just make it, because its got some serious hardware! I think the latest phones in X30 series would be getting wp9, not the ones in X20 series! Because the phones like 520, 620, 920 are just too old for that! Just before a year & a half we all knew windows 8.1 was a huge update but many of them who owned 520, 620 thought they might not get the update, unless Microsoft confirmed it! So I don't think they will push out updates for those phones! But surely all the phones would be getting Lumia Debian Red, gdr2 & most probably gdr3!
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    08-26-2014 09:48 PM
  12. T Moore's Avatar
    Hi ,
    Can you upgrade our current windows phone 8.1 phones like 520 , 1020 to Windows phone 9
    If Microsoft wont do this I think they will make a huge mistake by leaving the majority phones as old platform.
    No one knows for sure but you are already ready to pounce. Is the purpose of asking?
    08-26-2014 10:36 PM
  13. sumton's Avatar
    Based on Joe Bilfiore's comments I'm confident my duel core 1520's will get upgraded to WP9. As they should since they were purchased on a 2 yr agreement back at the end of 2013 so by end of 2015 MS device division should have their WP9 phablet available.
    you dual core 1520 ?
    your 1520 has a Quad-core 2.2 GHz Krait 400
    08-26-2014 11:20 PM
  14. Squachy's Avatar
    At this point its only speculation. But you have to think about the situation before we spout off what is to be believed.

    The WP7 to WP8 transition. The big issue was the Kernel change. Every recent windows OS is running off the Windows NT kernel. WP7 ran off the windows CE kernel. As far as I know that one was based way back off of windows 95. It was a 16bit kernel. NT is 32bit/64bit. Look back at the windows situation back then. There were two parallel windows OS way back in the day Win95/98/ME, and Windows NT/2000. These two were NOT compatible, you couldn't upgrade from 95 to NT. You had to do a complete fresh install to get Windows NT, not to mention it had heavier requirements at the time because 95 was the home OS and NT was the business OS. When they dropped the win9x series, it shifted to the NT kernel from Windows XP onwards. So the move was necessary to get on board with recent times and have at least a base (desktop OS) that they can work with to poach features from.
    The NT kernel allows much more hardware flexibility also, I read somewhere that it supports up to 96 CPU cores or something.
    WP9 shift I think is more for the development timeframe to become synchronized with desktop/RT. WP and RT/desktop has never been on the same development timeframe. Updates to RT/desktop gets updated at roughly the same time, while WP has its own timeframe (accused by many to be slow as all hell).

    I'm sure WP8 devices will get WP9. I get why WP7 couldn't get to WP8, but there doesn't appear to be any reason why WP8 cant get WP9. Besides it'll need to run a full gamut of hardware anyways from low end to high end. Older, high end based hardware will not become incapable for several years. Low end hardware still needs some time to reach performance parity with years old high end hardware.
    08-26-2014 11:27 PM
  15. DalekSnare's Avatar
    I found your statement about iOS weird, you said "they decide to go all iOS on us" what problems does iOS have with updates? They update their phones for 3 to 4 years, and that's pretty amazing if you ask me.
    iOS updates tend to chug on older phones, so a phone that ran iOS 4 really fast is laggy on iOS 7.
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    08-27-2014 12:27 AM
  16. jojoe42's Avatar
    iOS updates tend to chug on older phones, so a phone that ran iOS 4 really fast is laggy on iOS 7.
    That's because the only reason why iOS runs so well is because Apple make a ridiculous amount of optimisations to the software so it can reallllllyyy smooth on hardware that isn't exactly technically powerful (the 5S has a triple-core CPU apparently). Once they start prioritising for the newer hardware, they won't have as much time to optimise for older hardware, thus the new software runs slower on old hardware. WP on the other hand.....I don't know how they do it. Black magic. My mate's Lumia 800 still runs smooth as butter on WP7.8
    08-27-2014 03:20 AM
  17. Inocencio Sanchez's Avatar
    Blah blah blah blah..
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    08-27-2014 05:38 AM
  18. JamesDax's Avatar
    Yes
    08-27-2014 05:39 AM
  19. Stef8600's Avatar
    To be or not to be, that is the question....
    and the question is asked for ages and will still be asked in the very far future.

    The problem with WP7 not being upgraded to WP8 had mostly to do with hardware components.
    I don't think this will be the case for current WP8(.1). At the end, it is up to MS to decide.
    08-27-2014 07:25 AM
  20. Josip Zeljko's Avatar
    I don't think anyone here is being realistic. Microsoft promised major updates for phones no older than 18 months.
    The first batch of windows phone 8.0 devices (HTC 8x, 8s, Nokia 520, 620, 720, 820 etc.) probably won't recieve the update. It's not just about the hardware requirements (because obviously WP9 will support 512MB devices), you also have to look at it from a business standpoint. Also look at the history of ALL mobile updates so far. There comes a point where you need to stop focusing on older devices and direct your energy toward new (and not so old) releases.

    All 8.0 (first batch) phones recieved a lot of small updates and one major update and that's probably where it will stop. Maybe older phones will get 8.2 or something like that but I find that improbable. Most likely they will recieve a max of 2 more GDR releases and that's it.
    08-27-2014 07:27 AM
  21. DavidinCT's Avatar
    Microsoft has quoted 18 months of support for devices from their release date(this is when the phone was released, NOT when you got it). This was publicly said and even things on WPC about it when WP8 was announced.

    *IF* Microsoft stands behind their statements, Every NEWER device will get WP9 if it comes within the next year (announcing and releasing is 2 different things). This as long as there is not a major need for hardware change and I would bet some features will not be available on upgraded devices, as normal.

    With this being said, at least the quad core phones(1520/ICON/930/HTC one, etc) would fit in this 18 month time frame *IF* WP9 is released in 2015 or early 2016. So pretty much the odds are phones from this year should get it, first models of single core or dual core might be questionable at this point.

    As a PR issue, sure, phones release in 18 months will get it and older ones might not, I don't think it would be a PR mess, as most people in the US are tied to the 2 year contract/new phone thing. If you have owned a Android device, you know buying some models your support does not even go for a year.

    The biggest question at this point, as most things are rumor, when will be it be released, then we could find out when a phone was released and figure it out from that from there.

    I see no reason why MS would do a kernel change but, if that is changed, then all bets are off...
    08-27-2014 09:31 AM
  22. M L's Avatar
    There's really no reason to believe we could. It's seems more and more like the Lumia 920 will not -or at least has not been updated yet to 8.1, because they think we'll just give up on an older phone and buy the new models. Sure they may be able to upgrade us all to WP9, but why would they want to?
    08-27-2014 10:39 AM
  23. colinkiama's Avatar
    There's really no reason to believe we could. It's seems more and more like the Lumia 920 will not -or at least has not been updated yet to 8.1, because they think we'll just give up on an older phone and buy the new models. Sure they may be able to upgrade us all to WP9, but why would they want to?
    consumer loyalty. Do you know how loyal apple users are?
    08-27-2014 11:14 AM
  24. patrickg25's Avatar
    I don't think the WP 7 to WP 8 crisis will happen again as it was a kernel change, and I think MS did that change so that we can have future-proof and sustainable mobile devices. There's a big chance that WP 8 low-end devices will get the WP 9, but it's also possible that it'll be restricted in features. For example, the glance feature (depends on the screen type) or the lock screen (works better on 1 GB RAMs) some improvements I guess will be on the store and the stock apps/features will probably be limited so as to keep the system fast and efficient. There's a big chance that ex.Lumia 520s will get the WP 9, but it's also possible that newer innovations or features will be grayed out of its system and I have the intuition that many won't like that
    08-27-2014 11:27 AM
  25. M L's Avatar
    consumer loyalty. Do you know how loyal apple users are?
    Not really sure what your point is. Yeah Apple releases a new phone every year and many people trade up. Maybe the loyalty you refer to has something to do with Apple doesn't have different model phones and OS's for each carrier, upgrading apps and OS for some and leaving others behind.
    I've got the Lumia 920, still can't get 8.1/cyan, cortana...
    08-28-2014 08:34 AM
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