11-23-2014 12:14 PM
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  1. link68759's Avatar
    This is like the 12th thread I've seen about "WP10 better be good or it's all over".

    Let me make this simple for you: Go to Android now. There's no feature list for 10 yet and I've already seen an impossible number of expectations from users here. Everybody whining wants something radically different- It will never live up to these impossible standards.
    If you're not happy with WP as it is, then please just leave, and spare us the "leaving for android" thread on your way out.
    11-22-2014 11:30 AM
  2. Bobvfr's Avatar
    Why can Nokia do this? Didn't Microsoft buy Nokia?
    No, Microsoft bought the phone and devices division, Nokia as a company still exist, and after sometime 2016 if they want they can go back into the phone market, but as they don't have the phone and devices division they will probably do what they have done with the Android tablet they have just announced and just farm it out to other makers like Foxcomm.

    I have no issues with people liking Nokia, but they should realise the world has moved on, if they hate MS, by all means do so, but please find somewhere else to moan.
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    11-22-2014 11:35 AM
  3. Pierre Blackwell's Avatar
    I don't think the fact that Windows needs more apps, for their mobile platform is a surprise to anyone. There are more apps being made all the time and quality ones at that. The bigger focus has been on a universal approach that will create more opportunities and give developers more reasons to make apps if anything other than for the desktop and laptops running Windows 10 which will spike once Windows 10 is released. Mobile Windows however has an opportunity to assume the role that Blackberry claimed when it came to enterprise, especially at the governmental level since they're heavily entrenched in the ecosystem. While I feel windows 10 isn't a last straw for MSFT ultimately, it may be their last straw at being in a position to greatly change the landscape of the industry.
    11-22-2014 11:39 AM
  4. Jazmac's Avatar
    This is like the 12th thread I've seen about "WP10 better be good or it's all over".

    Let me make this simple for you: Go to Android now. There's no feature list for 10 yet and I've already seen an impossible number of expectations from users here. Everybody whining wants something radically different- It will never live up to these impossible standards.
    If you're not happy with WP as it is, then please just leave, and spare us the "leaving for android" thread on your way out.
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    11-22-2014 11:41 AM
  5. anon5997296's Avatar
    Well, I bought my 920 for the OS. But I love Nokia as well and am going to miss it too. But the new Nokia is not quite the Nokia I liked, or the Nokia that has been existed for years. It's completely different now, as the devices will be manufactured by Foxconn, and most of the staff from the old Nokia gone to Microsoft. So the new Nokia is basically different company with only the name Nokia. Even the design of the upcoming N1 tablet is different to what Lumias had. So I'll just stay with Microsoft and Windows.
    11-22-2014 11:42 AM
  6. a5cent's Avatar
    it [W10] may be their last straw at being in a position to greatly change the landscape of the industry.

    As long as there is money and a will, there is always a way. There is no such thing as a last straw. Ever! EVER! The only thing that changes is how disruptive a new product/service must be to turn things around. Apple went from being broke, to being the most powerful device manufacturer in the world, by way of a single product. That is far more dramatic than the situation MS or WP is in.

    I doubt W10 will be the big messiah many here are expecting/hoping it to be. I expect W10 will put WP on much better footing, but that is only when the real battle begins. I think W10 represents the end of the beginning, more than it represents the beginning of the end.
    Last edited by a5cent; 11-22-2014 at 02:05 PM. Reason: spelling
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    11-22-2014 11:57 AM
  7. iamtim's Avatar
    Anyone thinking that Android is not the best OS now is dreaming.
    Or maybe they just have a different opinion than yours? I would go back to BlackBerry before I used an Android device, and I'm speaking from a place of knowledge; I've owned several Android devices, and I just don't like the OS.
    11-22-2014 12:16 PM
  8. techiez's Avatar
    I'll be the first to admit, I've come to know Nokia late in the game so it reads like, at least according to the OP, WP people are chomping at the bit to run to android powered Nokia or in other words, its Nokia no matter the OS. Do you have an opinion on why they are still here? What was the last pre-WP Nokia flagship? Anyone know?
    There are 2 kinds of ppl,one who adopted WP initially owing to its design, and is familiar with MS not Nokia,(predominantly from US) where Nokia was long dead anyways. but US has not much contributed to WP share, there were WP7 non nokia models bought but not many in numbers.

    And then there are Nokia fans from countries where Nokia was huge in terms of brand value, Nokia N8 was the pre Wp flagship n was a great phone. n then N9 happened but Nokia under elop never brought it to many countries since they wanted WP to be preferred and they brought L800 & L900, most ppl outside US would have brought these only for Nokia & not for WP. yes WP is smooth and fluid without lags but are these WP's selling points? or is it the camera & pureview tech that got the recognition for WP devices?

    OP is not wrong if he says Nokia can be successful with an Android.
    Last edited by techiez; 11-22-2014 at 10:25 PM.
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    11-22-2014 12:30 PM
  9. a5cent's Avatar
    There are 2 kinds of ppl,one who adopted WP initially owing to its design, and is familier with MS nut not Nokia,(predominantly from US)
    recognition for WP devices?.
    I agree with all your points except that the initial adopters were primarily from the U.S. Just as many, if not a bit more (per capita) reside in western Europe, and chose WP for the same reasons those in the U.S. did.
    Last edited by a5cent; 11-22-2014 at 01:37 PM. Reason: spelling
    11-22-2014 12:38 PM
  10. pandhersaab27's Avatar
    Me and my 4-5 friends all use Lumias just because it's a Nokia product, if Nokia would have gone Android way in their early days most people won't even know WP exists.
    I tried WP just because of Nokia, I like OS but there are too many compromises, I'm not taking about app gap, I'm taking that most apps perform better on rival OS's heck even Microsoft's own apps, I'm trying to live with all the compromises just because i was getting top notch Nokia hardware ( I know Microsoft will be using everything same so won't be a problem) but how long will this software sufferings continue, there's a limit and windows 10 is that limit for me. They deliver on par with rival OS I stay, otherwise bye bye Microsoft.
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    11-22-2014 12:42 PM
  11. MDK22's Avatar
    OK, I've read the replies - some made sense, some were, let's say less than sensible.

    As far as Nokia (eventually) making an Android phone - NOT for me, even though I've been w Nokia from the Symbian days. I bought unlocked Symbian (Nokia E71, N8) phones for use on dumbphone unlimited data plans. While Symbian was not gonna make the grade (too many issues converting to touch, etc.) it had all the bells & whistles - and what it didn't have was supplanted by a rabid developer base. BUT, that's history.

    Moved to Windows Phone for several reasons:
    - It was championed by Nokia & I liked the solid devices Nokia was shipping
    - It wasn't Android. I still think the next large breach, will be via Android devices in the hands of certain clueless (approx. 50% of) Android users. 50% of Android's installed base is significant numbers. The openness of the OS is a double edged sword.
    - It wasn't Apple. Simply locked down phones that are very expensive. I know Android flagships come out @ the same prices, but, ultimately that price falls. There are myriad levels of Android, the iPhone 5C was a disaster, thus just Apple flagship - iPhone6 (& flagship -1, iPhone5S).

    As far as last chance, Microsoft has deep pockets - they could (highly inadvisable) reset yet again. The gap between WinPhone & iOS / Android features is closing rapidly. Microsoft doesn't have to innovate, just play catchup (very quickly) - however, if Windows 10 were to have a must have / new & exciting feature (on their phones), it could take off.

    Alternatively, MS is making more $$ from Android (licensing) than WinPhone, so you always follow the money.
    11-22-2014 02:44 PM
  12. HelloLudger's Avatar
    This is like the 12th thread I've seen about "WP10 better be good or it's all over".



    Let me make this simple for you: Go to Android now. There's no feature list for 10 yet and I've already seen an impossible number of expectations from users here. Everybody whining wants something radically different- It will never live up to these impossible standards.

    If you're not happy with WP as it is, then please just leave, and spare us the "leaving for android" thread on your way out.

    You completely missed my point. I'm at the moment pretty happy with Windows Phone 8.1. And thanks to the promised update to 10, I have no plans to leave. For now.

    But if Microsoft can't deliver with 10 AND Nokia offers a competitive Android phone, I think Microsoft has a very big problem.
    11-22-2014 02:44 PM
  13. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    I'm here for Lumia. Notice I said Lumia. Provided that my phone has the same Lumia look and feel with amazing camera I don't care who makes it :)

    I'd never blindly follow an oem no matter the os. That just screams worse than Apple fans tbh.
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    11-22-2014 03:00 PM
  14. labsii's Avatar
    Yes, it will have some effect. But I am unsure if that business model is going to work at all.

    While it is not fully disclosed, one can read between the lines that Nokia is only taking % of sales for the devices for selling the brand. Well possibly some more, but mostly irrelevant stuff (like that launcher and some decisions in product features, but again not real engineering).

    As Nokia always sold cheap phones (even in Lumia series nothing but 520 didn't sell), one can wonder how many phone makers would be willing to give Nokia a % for labeling its name on the cheap phones as there is nearly no profit in that products anyway.

    And if Nokia is to try to sell the high-end phones with its branding it really shouldn't concern Microsoft, as Microsoft is not selling such phones anyway and as you can see it mostly shifted resources to lower and mid range phones where it has some traction. And those high-end buyers can in most cases figure out the difference between Windows Phone and Nokia anyway.
    11-22-2014 03:42 PM
  15. JamesPTao's Avatar
    Yes, it will have some effect. But I am unsure if that business model is going to work at all.

    While it is not fully disclosed, one can read between the lines that Nokia is only taking % of sales for the devices for selling the brand. Well possibly some more, but mostly irrelevant stuff (like that launcher and some decisions in product features, but again not real engineering).

    As Nokia always sold cheap phones (even in Lumia series nothing but 520 didn't sell), one can wonder how many phone makers would be willing to give Nokia a % for labeling its name on the cheap phones as there is nearly no profit in that products anyway.

    And if Nokia is to try to sell the high-end phones with its branding it really shouldn't concern Microsoft, as Microsoft is not selling such phones anyway and as you can see it mostly shifted resources to lower and mid range phones where it has some traction. And those high-end buyers can in most cases figure out the difference between Windows Phone and Nokia anyway.
    Microsoft is not shifting to low and mod range phones. They will always sell them but high end is part of their strategy as well. Unfortunately they were designing a high end phone (McLaren) that didn't pan out the way they wanted so they scrapped it leaving no high end phone other than 1520 this holiday season. (and 930 for non us).
    11-22-2014 04:22 PM
  16. Trill Gates's Avatar
    I think Windows 10 is Microsoft's last chance to get a reasonable share in the mobile consumer world.
    There is one simple reason:

    With the release of the Nokia N1, it's pretty reasonable to expect a Nokia Android phone. They aren't allowed to sell it before 1.1.16, but they can probably announce it next year, just around this time of the year.

    If Microsoft fails to deliver a solid flagship with good hardware AND software, with availability before Nokia announces the phone, I fear many of their customers will go back to Nokia.
    I'm pretty sure a high percentage of WP users (geeks, those who build mind share and recommend phones to friends and family) are WP users because they followed Nokia.
    If Microsoft losses these people, I don't think they could recover. WP would probably become a niche business product, like BlackBerry.

    No hating here, only worrying. What do you think, do you come to the same conclusion? And will Microsoft be able to deliver?
    At the moment, I would say it's 50/50...
    The best strategy MS can employ with Windows 10 is follow through on their promise of universal OS across multiple platforms. If they can get Cortana on to Windows 8/10 PC's and tablets as well as get Cortana on Xbox One then they'd increase the number of Cortana users by millions without having to sell their souls with Cortana on iOS or Android. They also should find a way to make Skype the integrated native messaging app like iMessage is for Apple. So Windows Phone users can receive/send Wifi texts and video calls across all their Windows devices. So if I'm playing Xbox one and I get a text it pops up on my TV screen and I can have Cortana read it and then reply with a voice-to-text response.

    The end goal would be to get millions of Windows 8/10 PC users and Xbox One users to give up their iPhone or Android and buy into the unified MSFT ecosystem.
    11-22-2014 04:26 PM
  17. labsii's Avatar
    Microsoft is not shifting to low and mod range phones. They will always sell them but high end is part of their strategy as well. Unfortunately they were designing a high end phone (McLaren) that didn't pan out the way they wanted so they scrapped it leaving no high end phone other than 1520 this holiday season. (and 930 for non us).
    Wait, was that some higher power that stopped development of a flagship phone, or it wasn't developed because resources were shifted away from it into developing of other mid and low range phones? Or is it only that those mid and low range phones were lucky to turn out the way they should? You know, in R&D things don't turn out the way you plan, that is normal part of the process, it is just question of whether you are committed to complete it or not.
    11-22-2014 06:27 PM
  18. JamesPTao's Avatar
    Wait, was that some higher power that stopped development of a flagship phone, or it wasn't developed because resources were shifted away from it into developing of other mid and low range phones? Or is it only that those mid and low range phones were lucky to turn out the way they should? You know, in R&D things don't turn out the way you plan, that is normal part of the process, it is just question of whether you are committed to complete it or not.
    They were working on 3d touch which the McLaren would show off and was to be a way to distinguish the high ends from the low end phones as no mid range phones or lower would get it. It wasn't working out to their satisfaction so they canned it. You seem really driven on this no high end phone thing. Just be patient next year will show what they offer. Unlike most makes if its not what they want ms will not release it rather than releasing a half baked or gimicky feature.
    11-22-2014 08:18 PM
  19. BobLobIaw's Avatar
    I have a Nokia Lumia 920 and I like it a lot. However, I wouldn't switch to Android just because a phone has a Nokia sticker on it. For that reason, I think the future of Nokia has nothing to do with the success or failure of Windows Phone. The determining factors will be the quality of WP and the quality of Windows 10.
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    11-22-2014 08:31 PM
  20. Pivotgeeks's Avatar
    This is like the 12th thread I've seen about "WP10 better be good or it's all over".

    Let me make this simple for you: Go to Android now. There's no feature list for 10 yet and I've already seen an impossible number of expectations from users here. Everybody whining wants something radically different- It will never live up to these impossible standards.
    If you're not happy with WP as it is, then please just leave, and spare us the "leaving for android" thread on your way out.
    This i Completly agree
    and nope i din't come to windows phone for Nokia and here to stay with windows phone coz i love the os and even tho we are less in number i really like the community and number or the Name of a the phone don't matter to me! or the number of apps..
    11-22-2014 09:40 PM
  21. LumiAss's Avatar
    MS is very slow in supporting WP. Where is denim? We are on late November right now!
    So i think, windows phone 10 will released in 2017. So everyone will leave MS Lumia to Nokia.
    11-22-2014 10:05 PM
  22. ajst222's Avatar
    I don't understand why people wouldn't buy a Microsoft made Lumia phone if they've loved Windows Phone up until this point. Because they're "loyal" to Nokia? That's just stupid IMO if you want to just follow Nokia regardless of whether they run Windows or Android simply because it's Nokia. It's one thing to use something that works best for you and is your personal preference (Windows Phone OS in this case), and another to blindly follow a brand (Nokia in this case). I doubt people REALLY bought Nokia phones solely for the hardware alone...
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    11-22-2014 11:04 PM
  23. Giddora's Avatar
    I'm with the OS... I've already been with the HORRIBLE mess that is Android for far too long. I'm just happy they get an interface that they've laughed at for the past couple of years (WP's)
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    11-23-2014 03:56 AM
  24. labsii's Avatar
    MS is very slow in supporting WP. Where is denim? We are on late November right now!
    So i think, windows phone 10 will released in 2017. So everyone will leave MS Lumia to Nokia.
    Well if you think that Microsoft is bad in this, you should try the competition. Nokia phones will probably update never, that's the usual period of update for non-Google Android phones without premium pricing.

    You've got Cyan on your old phone couple of months ago, and now you want new update. No one in the world does that... At least because updates require carrier certification process for carrier bought phones.
    11-23-2014 04:10 AM
  25. raqball's Avatar
    Re the Nokia N1 mentioned in the OP. You realize that Nokia is not making it right? Foxcon is making it and they are simply slapping the Nokia name on it. Also, the N1 is almost an exact copy / ripoff of the iPad mini so it wouldn't last a second being sold in most countries before Apple had it shut down.

    Nokia will not make an android phone. A 3rd party will make one and slap the Nokia name on it. If you blindly buy a Nokia device from here on out, you are getting a non Nokia made product with a Nokia sticker on it..

    My .02
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    11-23-2014 07:20 AM
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