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02-14-2015 11:20 PM
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  1. Kevin Harvell's Avatar
    If someone is getting viruses while simply browsing the web or downloading files and have just Security Essentials installed, I would suggest reevaluating their browsing habits.

    It is one thing to get a virus from someone wanting to share a file from their USB drive, but that is about the only way I have gotten a virus in the last 10+ years myself.

    Not saying I am perfect, I just know how to navigate the majority of the web that I care to visit.
    01-25-2015 07:34 PM
  2. Xabier Granja's Avatar
    Herein lies the problem - these journalists know that most people only read the top of the article - why would you place the negative in a predominantly positive article there?
    Ah, I see your point. However, I raise you to: why would any professional lower standards to meet the lazy average Joe? Not that Joanna is any epitome of journalistic brilliance, but criticizing her for her ignorant readers' laziness in reading more than 3 lines seems out of place to me. It's as if I taught my literature classes giving all my students all the answers from the beginning instead of making them read materials, think for themselves, come up with the answers and only then if they are lost, I'd spell it out for them.

    Bottom line - I see no point in evaluating something for the laziness of those who consume it. We should evaluate the article as a whole, not as the minimum standard that is so common these days (and that I experience too and have to deal with as an instructor).
    01-25-2015 10:36 PM
  3. D M C's Avatar
    If someone is getting viruses while simply browsing the web or downloading files and have just Security Essentials installed, I would suggest reevaluating their browsing habits.

    It is one thing to get a virus from someone wanting to share a file from their USB drive, but that is about the only way I have gotten a virus in the last 10+ years myself.

    Not saying I am perfect, I just know how to navigate the majority of the web that I care to visit.
    But what about adventurous users who visit new websites everyday.

    Are you suggesting that that stop doing that and limit yourself to few websites.
    I know it's risky but that's the way I enjoy.

    Anyway, I am using Ubuntu for browsing purpose and I don't think now I have to change my browsing habit.

    Never compromise
    01-26-2015 04:40 PM
  4. Kevin Harvell's Avatar
    But what about adventurous users who visit new websites everyday.

    Are you suggesting that that stop doing that and limit yourself to few websites.
    I know it's risky but that's the way I enjoy.

    Anyway, I am using Ubuntu for browsing purpose and I don't think now I have to change my browsing habit.

    Never compromise

    I know what you are saying, and I am sure you know which types of sites I am referring to. Warez, adult content etc.
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    01-26-2015 11:19 PM
  5. D M C's Avatar
    I know what you are saying, and I am sure you know which types of sites I am referring to. Warez, adult content etc.
    I use my phone for adult website and for everything else my laptop or PC
    01-27-2015 01:24 AM
  6. Kevin Harvell's Avatar
    I use my phone for adult website and for everything else my laptop or PC

    Then you have figured out some of the secrets that most do not ;-).
    01-27-2015 09:34 PM
  7. neo158's Avatar
    Are you really a Windows users?

    I never play with security settings.
    I even installed Microsoft Essential security and both my os and anti virus upto date, yet my Windows devices affected two times in last six months.

    And
    I said among Linux, mac OS and MS Windows. Windows is the least secured OS.
    Is this wrong?

    Are you among those users who claims that Windows have no virus problems?
    Yes, I am a Windows user. Why do you think I'm on here?

    I've had no problems with Windows from either Malware or Viruses and no Windows user has ever stated that Windows has no virus problems, I think you're confusing me with a Mac user!!!
    Nicholas Maguire likes this.
    01-31-2015 10:09 AM
  8. neo158's Avatar
    I use my phone for adult website and for everything else my laptop or PC
    What websites are you browsing when you use Windows? You can't say that Windows is the least secure OS and then be browsing websites that are loaded with Malware and viruses.
    01-31-2015 10:13 AM
  9. colinkiama's Avatar
    Ok so here is the lead in to a story by a journalist at the WSJ that just covered the windows 10 event "the idea of Windows running on every device you own may sound terrifying. Pop-up permission requests, virus update reminders and blue screens of death everywhere? Thanks, but no thanks."

    So if I could i would like to ask her if she has even used a newer Windows os - I haven't had a Blue Screen in at least 10 years, and that is in using a whole variety of both work and personal computers. Virus update reminders? Automatically updated and scans in the background. Pop up permissions? Not since using vista... If you are going to write in the tech space for a living, how about educating yourself on the subject matter...
    She is just joking, calm down, she probably has a windows 7 pc hidden around that she will update to windows 10 ;)
    01-31-2015 10:30 AM
  10. D M C's Avatar
    Yes, I am a Windows user. Why do you think I'm on here?

    I've had no problems with Windows from either Malware or Viruses and no Windows user has ever stated that Windows has no virus problems, I think you're confusing me with a Mac user!!!
    What websites are you browsing when you use Windows? You can't say that Windows is the least secure OS and then be browsing websites that are loaded with Malware and viruses.
    But I had face Malware and virus problem and my more user face too. That is why their are so many anti-virus for that. Even MS also provide that. That is why Windows is least secure OS.
    Can you name an OS which you think is less secure than Windows.
    Is it Mac or Linux?what?
    01-31-2015 10:40 AM
  11. gMaesterUK's Avatar
    I wouldn't say Windows was more insecure then others, however it is a bigger target...

    In recent months the number of attacks on Linux and Macs have increased, and will increase with more users using the platform...

    G.
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    01-31-2015 10:48 AM
  12. neo158's Avatar
    But I had face Malware and virus problem and my more user face too. That is why their are so many anti-virus for that. Even MS also provide that. That is why Windows is least secure OS.
    Can you name an OS which you think is less secure than Windows.
    Is it Mac or Linux?what?
    Thanks for completely avoiding my question so I'll ask it again, What websites are you browsing when you use Windows?

    Windows isn't necessarily less secure, it's just a bigger target considering it's on 90%+ of the computers worldwide. I'll throw this back at you and ask this, If you were writing Malware or viruses which would you target, the <1% that Linux has, the 2-3% MacOS has or the 90%+ the Windows has?

    I know which one I would choose!!!!

    Oh and this highlights why you need decent AV software and also why you shouldn't rely on MSE: http://redmondmag.com/articles/2015/...irus-test.aspx
    Last edited by neo158; 01-31-2015 at 11:39 AM.
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    01-31-2015 11:05 AM
  13. D M C's Avatar
    Thanks for completely avoiding my question so I'll ask it again, What websites are you browsing when you use Windows?

    Windows isn't necessarily less secure, it's just a bigger target considering it's on 90%+ of the computers worldwide. I'll throw this back at you and ask this, If you were writing Malware or viruses which would you target, the <1% that Linux has, the 2-3% MacOS has or the 90%+ the Windows has?

    I know which one I would choose!!!!
    look like you didn't read my comment carefully.
    what do you understand by " adventurous users"?

    and
    yes I know security is cost that comes with popularity.
    either way it didn't change the fact that Windows is least secured OS.

    and thanks! for update.
    I'll change anti-virus soon
    Last edited by D M C; 01-31-2015 at 12:37 PM.
    01-31-2015 11:49 AM
  14. neo158's Avatar
    look like you didn't read my comment carefully.
    what do you understand by " adventurous users"?

    and
    yes I know security is cost that comes with popularity.
    either way it didn't change the fact that Windows is least secured OS.

    and thanks! for update.
    I'll change anti-virus soon
    I understand what "adventurous users" means alright, those are the people who go to the sites I've had to block at work using OpenDNS ;-)

    What I'm saying is that if Windows had <1% market share then least secure or not then it wouldn't be a target.

    Oh and no problem, there are a good few AV suites out there as well, personally I use Norton Security but not everyone likes it so it's worth trying some different ones, not all at the same time, and picking the one that fits for you.
    01-31-2015 02:24 PM
  15. Michael Alan Goff's Avatar
    But I had face Malware and virus problem and my more user face too. That is why their are so many anti-virus for that. Even MS also provide that. That is why Windows is least secure OS.
    Can you name an OS which you think is less secure than Windows.
    Is it Mac or Linux?what?
    ​Apple provides an anti malware program built in to their OS and by default gatekeeper is turned on and will initially stop you from installing from non trusted sources. That isn't to say it into secure, but lets not pretend that the availability of security measures mean it isn't secure.
    02-10-2015 06:41 PM
  16. Nicholas Maguire's Avatar
    But I had face Malware and virus problem and my more user face too. That is why their are so many anti-virus for that. Even MS also provide that. That is why Windows is least secure OS.
    Can you name an OS which you think is less secure than Windows.
    Is it Mac or Linux?what?
    Hm. I'm a 100% Windows user, have never had a virus, don't use anti-virus protections, and I don't limit the sites I visit. Sooo...
    02-10-2015 06:54 PM
  17. Richard Culverhouse's Avatar
    Hm. I'm a 100% Windows user, have never had a virus, don't use anti-virus protections, and I don't limit the sites I visit. Sooo...
    Lucky...? /S
    02-10-2015 07:30 PM
  18. D M C's Avatar
    ​Apple provides an anti malware program built in to their OS and by default gatekeeper is turned on and will initially stop you from installing from non trusted sources. That isn't to say it into secure, but lets not pretend that the availability of security measures mean it isn't secure.
    But in Windows situation is much worse than Mac.Microsoft inbulit security in OS isn't enough to protect your system.
    Anyway my point is that Windows is least secure OS which need a good Anti-Virus protection.

    Hm. I'm a 100% Windows user, have never had a virus, don't use anti-virus protections, and I don't limit the sites I visit. Sooo...
    Your are probably lucky or may be your system already infected and you don't know.
    "don't fool yourself into thinking that you're too clever to get a virus"
    Read this. Probably make some sense to you.
    Do you need an antivirus program for your Windows PC in 2015? | Windows Central
    02-11-2015 01:49 AM
  19. neo158's Avatar
    But in Windows situation is much worse than Mac.Microsoft inbulit security in OS isn't enough to protect your system.
    Anyway my point is that Windows is least secure OS which need a good Anti-Virus protection.
    Gatekeeper is essentially the same thing as Windows Defender, basic protection for the OS. Problem is that, as I stated before, Windows is a bigger target.

    It doesn't mean that Windows is "less secure", all it means is that Windows gets targeted by far more Malware and Viruses than others because of the greater market share. If the market share situation were reversed then Gatekeeper wouldn't be enough to protect Mac OS and that in itself wouldn't make Mac OS less secure, it just means it's a bigger target.

    Your are probably lucky or may be your system already infected and you don't know.
    "don't fool yourself into thinking that you're too clever to get a virus"
    Read this. Probably make some sense to you.
    Do you need an antivirus program for your Windows PC in 2015? | Windows Central
    Exactly, and it's not just Malware and Viruses in downloads that you have to worry about. Drive-by downloads and SQL Injection Attacks are used far more frequently now that we have always on broadband internet connections.
    02-11-2015 05:25 AM
  20. Michael Alan Goff's Avatar
    But in Windows situation is much worse than Mac.Microsoft inbulit security in OS isn't enough to protect your system.
    Anyway my point is that Windows is least secure OS which need a good Anti-Virus protection.



    Your are probably lucky or may be your system already infected and you don't know.
    "don't fool yourself into thinking that you're too clever to get a virus"
    Read this. Probably make some sense to you.
    Do you need an antivirus program for your Windows PC in 2015? | Windows Central
    ​You keep saying that, but you have no proof. According to a security expert, OS X is the least secure. He keeps proving it at the pwn2own competition.

    Gatekeeper is essentially the same thing as Windows Defender, basic protection for the OS. Problem is that, as I stated before, Windows is a bigger target.

    It doesn't mean that Windows is "less secure", all it means is that Windows gets targeted by far more Malware and Viruses than others because of the greater market share. If the market share situation were reversed then Gatekeeper wouldn't be enough to protect Mac OS and that in itself wouldn't make Mac OS less secure, it just means it's a bigger target.



    Exactly, and it's not just Malware and Viruses in downloads that you have to worry about. Drive-by downloads and SQL Injection Attacks are used far more frequently now that we have always on broadband internet connections.
    ​No, Gatekeeper is nothing like defender. Gatekeeper is a program that has three options:
    ​A) Install from Apple
    ​B) Install from Apple and trusted sources
    C) Install from anywhere

    ​It is automatically on the second and unless you manually give something permission once it gets flagged as untrusted it won't do anything,
    02-11-2015 03:34 PM
  21. D M C's Avatar
    Ok I think I understand what you guys trying to say.

    What I want say is that Windows is least safe Operating System.
    Not least secure.
    Is it right now?

    @Michael Alan Goff - Can you give me a website link of OS hack ? not browsers.
    Last edited by D M C; 02-11-2015 at 04:45 PM.
    02-11-2015 04:30 PM
  22. Michael Alan Goff's Avatar
    Ok I think I understand what you guys trying to say.

    What I want say is that Windows is least safe Operating System.
    Not least secure.
    Is it right now?

    @Michael Alan Goff - Can you give me a website link of OS hack ? not browsers.
    ​Considering Safari is a part of the OS, you can't separate the two.
    02-11-2015 07:03 PM
  23. Richard Culverhouse's Avatar
    Ok I think I understand what you guys trying to say.

    What I want say is that Windows is least safe Operating System.
    Not least secure.
    Is it right now?

    @Michael Alan Goff - Can you give me a website link of OS hack ? not browsers.
    You don't understand what they they are trying to say lol
    02-12-2015 04:41 AM
  24. neo158's Avatar
    Ok I think I understand what you guys trying to say.

    What I want say is that Windows is least safe Operating System.
    Not least secure.
    Is it right now?

    @Michael Alan Goff - Can you give me a website link of OS hack ? not browsers.
    No, you still aren't getting it are you. Windows isn't "least secure" or the "least safe".

    Here's the simplified version:

    Largest market share = Bigger target = Attacked by Malware and Viruses
    Last edited by neo158; 02-12-2015 at 09:07 AM.
    02-12-2015 08:49 AM
  25. D M C's Avatar
    No, you still aren't getting it are you. Windows isn't "least secure" or the "least safe".

    Here's the simplified version:

    Largest market share = Bigger target = Attacked by Malware and Viruses
    Then it applies to Android too.
    Means it is as safe as WP.
    02-12-2015 04:35 PM
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