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  1. dpaynewp's Avatar
    Ok so here is the lead in to a story by a journalist at the WSJ that just covered the windows 10 event "the idea of Windows running on every device you own may sound terrifying. Pop-up permission requests, virus update reminders and blue screens of death everywhere? Thanks, but no thanks."

    So if I could i would like to ask her if she has even used a newer Windows os - I haven't had a Blue Screen in at least 10 years, and that is in using a whole variety of both work and personal computers. Virus update reminders? Automatically updated and scans in the background. Pop up permissions? Not since using vista... If you are going to write in the tech space for a living, how about educating yourself on the subject matter...
    01-22-2015 03:26 PM
  2. gMaesterUK's Avatar
    I do laugh at some people who get so anti-MS that doesn't matter what MS do, it'll be crap.

    In the last month, my PC (win 8.1) running a gamers spec (from 2012) has received no viruses (touch wood), no blue screen, no virus update reminders (it does it automatically) and the occasional pop-up (when I update software - which I don't mind). Oh and no freezes!
    My partner has a MacBook Pro (last years model) and guess how many times it's frozen?? I have lost count it's that often. I do laugh as it frustrates my partner that I'm grinning from my Windows PC (which is crash free!).

    G.
    01-22-2015 03:40 PM
  3. tangledW's Avatar
    It's rampant throughout the tech journalism sphere. It seems most articles were written by people who didn't even watch the event and just skimmed someone else's review or at the very least didn't pay any attention.

    I've read articles on CNET, Forbes, the WSJ and the New York Times that not only made incorrect assumptions but flat out reported lies.

    It's an epidemic on the internet. On one hand you have the misinformed "journalists" fraudulently presenting themselves as experts and on the other you have what I call the "bait & bull****" - where they have some eye catching headline and then either have an article completely full of lies or just a rant of random thoughts that don't even pertain to the headline. They're only concerned with the click count for their advertisers.

    It's not just tech journalism or even just journalism, there is a fundamental lack of integrity and self respect world wide.



    (BTW, the "blue screen of death" doesn't even exist anymore. They replaced it with something else)
    01-22-2015 03:44 PM
  4. Wevenhuis's Avatar
    It was only because of this forumthread that I heard about this article for the first time. And then I'm from the Netherlands. Maybe it could put things into perspective how much of an impact her article makes. If I didnt read about it, I wouldn't have known it existed! Food for thought.
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    01-22-2015 03:55 PM
  5. winrayjay99's Avatar
    At least one tech journalist now has nice things to say about Microsoft. Leo Laporte at least.
    Laura Knotek, teckris and calfee20 like this.
    01-22-2015 04:00 PM
  6. tangledW's Avatar
    It's not just one though, that's the issue... and the Wall Street Journal is a respected and largely distributed news source.
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    01-22-2015 04:13 PM
  7. bh626's Avatar
    So many 'journalists' are way too personal about technology in their reviews. It's like forum banter - MS is crap, Apple rules, oh yeah Android is the best. The reality is that any of the top 3 smartphones brands are pretty darn good - think of everything we can do with such a small device. it's amazing really.
    Unfortunately most of the writers today use Macbooks and cannot bring themselves to like or approve of anything MS does. I feel bad for MS, regardless of what they do they can't get any respect!
    Laura Knotek, xandros9 and a5cent like this.
    01-22-2015 08:07 PM
  8. Steve Adams's Avatar
    Funny, I have not seen a BSOD since XP. However, on OSX of way newer guise, when I had my macs, I regularly view spinning beach balls of death. I guess, when you "mainstream media" is paid off my apple and their lemmings, then you have to bring up stuff that has happened since 4 OS revisions Ago.
    MikeSo likes this.
    01-23-2015 06:30 AM
  9. Jas00555's Avatar
    Just out of curiosity OP, what did the rest of the article say? I feel like you're taking a joke out of context.
    MikeX74 likes this.
    01-23-2015 07:14 AM
  10. anon(8150199)'s Avatar
    That is the consequence of hiring a noob to report tech news. I can rant about this for hours if I want to.
    01-23-2015 07:27 AM
  11. Pete's Avatar
    This kind of uninformed/misleading journalism is what has all but killed Windows RT (which I still beleive is an amazing tablet OS).

    The problem is (to my mind) is that accurately reporting the facts is sometimes secondary to earning revenue. If stories can be made sensationalist and click-baiting in nature, then the web site will make more revenue in terms of advertising.

    Stick with awesome sites like Windows Central and you can't go far wrong...
    01-23-2015 07:39 AM
  12. dpaynewp's Avatar
    Just out of curiosity OP, what did the rest of the article say? I feel like you're taking a joke out of context.
    Oh no, I don't think it was a joke - I got the feeling those were her real sentiments. If I had to guess I would say she hasn't used windows since XP.

    And yes the balance of the article was very reasonable coverage - however with a lead in like that it just totally tainted it for me.

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/windows-...ews/technology
    01-23-2015 08:09 AM
  13. Jas00555's Avatar
    Oh, its Joanna Stern... nevermind lol.
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    01-23-2015 08:11 AM
  14. wuiyang's Avatar
    they are so stupid, doesn't give a chance on trying the new special Windows 10, they will miss everything, but none of us care (except people who hate Microsoft, finding every single post of bad things about Windows, and guess where are those from? CNet!)

    Only people who've tried Windows 10 will know the thing, the Surface Pro 3, Surface Hub, HoloLens, Microsoft Band, Lumia 1030 (waiting for it), Lumia 1520, Surface Mini (still waiting for it). And the ability to sync all your OneDrive data, settings, messaging, people, calender, e-mail, and more to all your devices, SEAMLESSLY and EFFORTLESSLY.
    01-23-2015 08:30 AM
  15. TonyDedrick's Avatar
    Seemed like a very balanced and sound piece to me. That lead in was clearly a joke for dramatic effect.
    calfee20 likes this.
    01-23-2015 08:37 AM
  16. Chris_Kez's Avatar
    The article actually wasn't bad by Joanna Stern standards, but oh my god the comments! I didn't want to, but I just had to read them all. I did manage to stop myself before jumping into the fray. Even at my age I am still somehow surprised at how uninformed most people are; yet they have no problem trumpeting their ignorance and negativity.
    anon(8150199) and neo158 like this.
    01-23-2015 12:20 PM
  17. ashram's Avatar
    The article actually wasn't bad by Joanna Stern standards, but oh my god the comments! I didn't want to, but I just had to read them all. I did manage to stop myself before jumping into the fray. Even at my age I am still somehow surprised at how uninformed most people are; yet they have no problem trumpeting their ignorance and negativity.
    yeah, the comments were insane! most negative comments seem to be from people that never touched Windows 8 and go by what negative comments on the net they could find.... even the positive comments seemed iffy....
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    01-23-2015 12:59 PM
  18. Chris_Kez's Avatar
    There were some real gems:
    • I liked the guy who made four or five comments about security and bugs. "What about SECURITY!!! for small business users?" "What are they doing about cyber attacks?"
    • Also liked the guy who complained that Windows was always providing updates.
    • Maybe my favorite was the guy who complained that he had to replace a bunch of peripherals when he upgraded from XP, and then the person who replied that the obvious answer was to just get a Mac. (Yep, I'm sure there's no risk of peripheral equipment replacement costs if you use a Mac for 8 years).
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    01-23-2015 01:17 PM
  19. bh626's Avatar
    Maybe my favorite was the guy who complained that he had to replace a bunch of peripherals when he upgraded from XP, and then the person who replied that the obvious answer was to just get a Mac. (Yep, I'm sure there's no risk of peripheral equipment replacement costs if you use a Mac for 8 years)
    13 years, but who's counting, lol. I read the same comment and thought you've got to be kidding me. You bought a computer when you kid was in kindergarten and now that he's entering college you are p1ssed that the old XP don't work no more with all it's peripherals. Seriously?

    Reminds me of a friend who had so many problems with their Windows laptop - 10 years old, 1 GB ram, 80 gb hdd - slow as molasses, always having trouble. The guy at Best Buy says 'that's Windows' and gets them to buy a computer that 'just works'. $2,700 later (MacBook pro) they can't believe how much better Apple is then MS! Haha
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    01-23-2015 03:29 PM
  20. spaulagain's Avatar
    I can't stand tech journalists anymore. I've basically banned myself from reading that **** because it stresses me out how ignorant the people are and how much they get away with. Most of the **** is so bad, they should be fired for straight up making bull**** up.

    "News" has gone to **** because of the internet. Integrity has vanished and click bait is rampant.

    Even good sites like the Verge are filled with arrogant tech journalists with their heads up their asses.

    I stick with Rubino, Thurrott, and Mary Jo Foley. Those are the only ones I know actually have proper knowledge of MS and have honest critiques of MS products.

    Joanna Stern is as worthless as they come. Everyone I know who watched the event was blown away, and people like her still manage to dig up trash like it's 1999.
    Last edited by spaulagain; 01-24-2015 at 02:39 AM.
    01-23-2015 03:47 PM
  21. stephen_az's Avatar
    Ok so here is the lead in to a story by a journalist at the WSJ that just covered the windows 10 event "the idea of Windows running on every device you own may sound terrifying. Pop-up permission requests, virus update reminders and blue screens of death everywhere? Thanks, but no thanks."

    So if I could i would like to ask her if she has even used a newer Windows os - I haven't had a Blue Screen in at least 10 years, and that is in using a whole variety of both work and personal computers. Virus update reminders? Automatically updated and scans in the background. Pop up permissions? Not since using vista... If you are going to write in the tech space for a living, how about educating yourself on the subject matter...
    I am inclined to take these sorts of quotes with a grain of salt largely because, lacking the rest of the article, it is completely lacking context. I am sorry but it is no different than PR people clipping quotes for a new movie for publicity claiming it is amazing when the actual point in context was the movie was amazing in how bad it was. Beyond all of that, it is also not BS. It is just an opinion that varies from your own. People really are allowed to not like Microsoft products and that massive Windows user base is a two edged sword. Everybody knows Windows but many also still have a reference old problems that did exist - many others still have XP as ultimate reference point. Just because you do not like an opinion does not make it BS. The world is full of opinions and the person is allowed to present their own....
    01-23-2015 05:37 PM
  22. eddieDOTexe's Avatar
    Why are you guys tripping out over Joanna Stern?
    Like anyone takes her seriously nowadays.
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    01-23-2015 06:22 PM
  23. raycpl's Avatar
    Most of us would not mind different opinions, but dont dress up opinions, and in some cases, lies, as facts... That's BS.
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    01-23-2015 06:25 PM
  24. Kevin Rush's Avatar
    Most of us would not mind different opinions, but dont dress up opinions, and in some cases, lies, as facts... That's BS.
    Very nicely said.
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    01-23-2015 06:40 PM
  25. Arhitecter's Avatar
    Apple devices is a dress-code for journalists, tech included.
    01-23-2015 06:42 PM
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