02-19-2015 08:16 AM
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  1. PepperdotNet's Avatar
    That sounds far too complicated and there's way too much going on. That's not what most consumers want. They don't want to d!ck around with their machine. They just want it to work. And Windows 10 addresses that while still making folks happy.

    I think it's fair to say that we will see even more development on the touch side of things.
    it's not that complicated and it could definitely work. Tablets will get tablet mode by default, desktops will get desktop mode. All configurable for power users who want more, but the defaults should be good for the rest.
    01-27-2015 12:31 AM
  2. hairymick's Avatar
    All I want to know is windows 10 for tablets going to support installing to sd cards for Windows apps, as this will make alot of people a lot happier with buying low end devices??
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    01-27-2015 05:11 AM
  3. John Steffes's Avatar
    All I want to know is windows 10 for tablets going to support installing to sd cards for Windows apps, as this will make alot of people a lot happier with buying low end devices??
    The problem with that, is developers, licenses, and install routine...

    Microsoft still uses an install method, what happens when you click an app when the SD card is not present, or how do you validate the source of the SD card has not been tampered with. If I took your sd card and put it in my device, would that app work?, what if someone takes the install source, and modifies it then publishes their own app.

    Developers want to make sure their work get paid for, Android give you apps in a package APK, webOS are packaged in a IPK, Apple iOS apps are packaged in a ipa file. Microsoft does their packaging different...
    01-27-2015 08:48 AM
  4. rhapdog's Avatar
    The problem with that, is developers, licenses, and install routine...

    Microsoft still uses an install method, what happens when you click an app when the SD card is not present, or how do you validate the source of the SD card has not been tampered with. If I took your sd card and put it in my device, would that app work?, what if someone takes the install source, and modifies it then publishes their own app.

    Developers want to make sure their work get paid for, Android give you apps in a package APK, webOS are packaged in a IPK, Apple iOS apps are packaged in a ipa file. Microsoft does their packaging different...
    Thing is, it's already possible to do this on Windows Phone, since 8.1. Many of Windows Phone features are being brought into Windows 10, so I really don't see where this is going to be a problem.
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    01-27-2015 09:20 AM
  5. hairymick's Avatar
    I get what you're saying but people won't be happy with buying low memory devices having limited apps
    01-27-2015 03:23 PM
  6. ajst222's Avatar
    I get what you're saying but people won't be happy with buying low memory devices having limited apps
    I don't understand...you can install apps on SD cards, and the low end devices have SD card slots
    01-27-2015 04:35 PM
  7. hairymick's Avatar
    I'm talking about tablets, apps from the Windows store only save to the devices hardrive so you run out of space pretty fast. You can't save apps from the Windows store to SD card or external hardrive. WP on the other hand is all good to do that.
    01-27-2015 05:27 PM
  8. hairymick's Avatar
    Thing is, it's already possible to do this on Windows Phone, since 8.1. Many of Windows Phone features are being brought into Windows 10, so I really don't see where this is going to be a problem.
    01-27-2015 08:10 PM
  9. hairymick's Avatar
    Hope this is true
    01-27-2015 08:12 PM
  10. Asskickulater's Avatar
    I hate to tell you guys, but Windows 10 is not tablet friendly. It is just a frankienstined desktop, and desktops have never done well on real tablets.
    Ah yes, lets just assume that the pre-beta OS your testing is the same experience your gonna have when it RTM's SIX BLOODY MONTHS from now, its totally a finished product and Microsoft is just holding the release for 6 months because they like to make people wait.

    At this point, I hope Microsoft doesn't do a preview program like this again, I'm tired of all the morons that use it.
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    01-27-2015 08:33 PM
  11. Asskickulater's Avatar
    As someone who's never used Zune, why do people like Zune over Xbox Music so much? I'm honestly really interested...what are the differences?
    Zune was just a really well thought out and very polished experience, it's hard to explain its appeal, the best way to understand is to jsut use the software yourself for a while.

    that said, xbm is catching up, but it still has a while to go, and honestly, I don't understand exactly why zune had to be abandoned, even the name, zune just sounds so much better than xbox music..
    01-27-2015 08:36 PM
  12. missionsparta's Avatar
    Zune was just a really well thought out and very polished experience, it's hard to explain its appeal, the best way to understand is to jsut use the software yourself for a while.

    that said, xbm is catching up, but it still has a while to go, and honestly, I don't understand exactly why zune had to be abandoned, even the name, zune just sounds so much better than xbox music..
    Xbox Music is so far behind. You still can't make any type of edit if it reads your library wrong. What it reads is what you get. No smart playlists. No syncing. No adding your own TV Shows and Movies (for that we have the even worse Xbox Video and that places all of those mentioned in a pile called 'personal'). No wireless syncing. Better looking. Faster working..... And on and on.
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    01-27-2015 08:59 PM
  13. missionsparta's Avatar
    Great....no it says that it cant find half my music....nothing has been moved. If they don't bring Zune back, I'm going to puke. The only people who complained about Zune are Apple people just taking diggs at something they never used. The people that used it, raved about it. It was missing a few things, but the way it was being updated, would have been a beast in one more update.
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    02-01-2015 11:20 AM
  14. Asskickulater's Avatar
    Completely agreed, not even just for the software, the ZuneHD was a phenominal piece of hardware, very well built, and it had a very nice (and was also the groundwork for the) metro UI, both the device and PC software were really great in function and looks, but as mentioned above, all the apple fags called it crap, and all the sheeple believed them (god forbid the apple fanbase let their platform get competition.. that couldn't possibly benefit them in anyway right?) and resulted in the Zune not only failing as a whole, but tarnished the entire brand name, which is what lead microsoft to feel they needed to use a pre-established and successful brand name for their next attempt at a music player
    02-01-2015 02:26 PM
  15. TheCudder's Avatar
    Ok here is what I do not get, the Windows RT (Windows on Arm).
    A lot of people say it cant run Windows x86 apps, well it could if Microsoft built in an emulator (like the jail broken Win RT 8 with WINE).
    A lot of people say the Desktop is dump, get rid of it.
    A lot of people say Touch is dumb I want the Start Menu and Desktop Mouse and Keyboard back

    Ok, perfect vision:

    If Windows 10 had two modes Tablet mode and Non-Tablet mode:
    Tablet mode, acted just like Windows 8.1 Start Screen/No Start Menu, Live Tiles Full, Charms Bar, all apps full screen, no Desktop mode, etc.
    Non-Tablet mode, acted just like Windows 7 SP1, Start Menu, no live tiles, no Charms Bar, Desktop mode, no full screen apps all Windowed
    Unfortunately, the Desktop needs desktop users to use apps in order for the Windows Store to grow ---- making apps function a little more like desktop applications will have with that. And as for the Windows 8 tablet UI, sure it's fine and dandy when you figure it all out, but that was also something working against a Windows tablet in the consumer space. The UI is one giant guessing game to the average user and they end up never learning the full capabilities of the OS. So Windows 10 killing off the charms menu and including ore "visible" UI hints, menu icons, etch. will be beneficial.
    02-01-2015 02:50 PM
  16. missionsparta's Avatar
    Unfortunately, the Desktop needs desktop users to use apps in order for the Windows Store to grow ---- making apps function a little more like desktop applications will have with that. And as for the Windows 8 tablet UI, sure it's fine and dandy when you figure it all out, but that was also something working against a Windows tablet in the consumer space. The UI is one giant guessing game to the average user and they end up never learning the full capabilities of the OS. So Windows 10 killing off the charms menu and including ore "visible" UI hints, menu icons, etch. will be beneficial.
    If figuring out the UI is to complicated for some people, they should take their steak knives away... I'd hate to see what would happen there if they had a lapse of memory.
    02-04-2015 09:56 PM
  17. TheCudder's Avatar
    If figuring out the UI is to complicated for some people, they should take their steak knives away... I'd hate to see what would happen there if they had a lapse of memory.
    Be honest with yourself & realize every one isn't a "techie". The Windows 8 UI was far from being straight forward. Everything was hidden and the swiping gestures didn't have any "indicators" or icons hinting towards the menu, charms, closing an app, bringing in additional "app" menus, navigating through random apps. Even power users probably discovered certain navigational features of Windows 8 by reading it on-line. They went overboard with the swipe gesture concept.

    I'm fine with the UI on my Surface RT, but I realize it was a terrible UI for the masses. My girlfriend (who I'd say has a little more than "average PC" knowledge) has had a Surface 2 for about a year now and there still little things I have to help her with.
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    02-04-2015 11:38 PM
  18. missionsparta's Avatar
    Be honest with yourself & realize every one isn't a "techie". The Windows 8 UI was far from being straight forward. Everything was hidden and the swiping gestures didn't have any "indicators" or icons hinting towards the menu, charms, closing an app, bringing in additional "app" menus, navigating through random apps. Even power users probably discovered certain navigational features of Windows 8 by reading it on-line. They went overboard with the swipe gesture concept.

    I'm fine with the UI on my Surface RT, but I realize it was a terrible UI for the masses. My girlfriend (who I'd say has a little more than "average PC" knowledge) has had a Surface 2 for about a year now and there still little things I have to help her with.
    My 72 year old father pretty much had it down in 1 day. Some people are always going to resist or just be to dense.
    02-05-2015 07:17 AM
  19. TheCudder's Avatar
    My 72 year old father pretty much had it down in 1 day. Some people are always going to resist or just be to dense.
    That's the thing, not all people are resisting. But I suppose you don't quite get what the word "intuitive" means. I've come across MULTIPLE people in stores returning Windows 8 devices because they couldn't figure it out. Nothing is wrong with change....when it makes sense.
    02-05-2015 08:59 AM
  20. Ebuka Allison's Avatar
    Ah yes, lets just assume that the pre-beta OS your testing is the same experience your gonna have when it RTM's SIX BLOODY MONTHS from now, its totally a finished product and Microsoft is just holding the release for 6 months because they like to make people wait.

    At this point, I hope Microsoft doesn't do a preview program like this again, I'm tired of all the morons that use it.
    I remember saying this about the Xbox Music app. Boy was I wrong
    02-05-2015 09:13 AM
  21. missionsparta's Avatar
    I remember saying this about the Xbox Music app. Boy was I wrong
    Hahahaha..... Four years later we are still beta testing the replacement for the already perfect Zune...brilliant!
    02-05-2015 09:59 AM
  22. anon(5383410)'s Avatar
    Zune was considered by quite a few to be a disaster. I for one don't want Zune.

    If they have 100,000 people saying, "We want Zune back! Dump Xbox music and video!", but they have 10,000,000 people saying, "Don't bring back Zune, we want Xbox!", what are you going to get? I'm not saying this is what has happened, but it's worth thinking about at least.
    The Zune device was considered a flop but the software was universally revered. As for XBox music I don't think I've ever heard anyone say they want it over Zune. The best I've heard is people becoming content with it and the fact that this is the direction MS is going and they're sticking to their guns.
    02-05-2015 12:53 PM
  23. Ebuka Allison's Avatar
    The Zune device was considered a flop but the software was universally revered. As for XBox music I don't think I've ever heard anyone say they want it over Zune. The best I've heard is people becoming content with it and the fact that this is the direction MS is going and they're sticking to their guns.
    Content wrong. Resigned yes.
    02-05-2015 01:00 PM
  24. Asskickulater's Avatar
    I remember saying this about the Xbox Music app. Boy was I wrong
    Well, we've already learned that app was only a temporary, so it makes sense not a lot of resources were put into it, and also, whats wrong with it? its easily better than the original 8.0 app now..
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    02-05-2015 01:23 PM
  25. anon(5383410)'s Avatar
    Well, we've already learned that app was only a temporary, so it makes sense not a lot of resources were put into it, and also, whats wrong with it? its easily better than the original 8.0 app now..
    Wait when was it said that XBM is temporary? What's going to replace it?
    02-05-2015 02:37 PM
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