02-25-2015 10:23 PM
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  1. Qais Abu-Hasan's Avatar
    Hey everyone 🙋
    I came with a bit of weird thought I dunno if I was right or wrong , I like the universal app thing and it is really amazing to have the very same app run on both my phone and laptop , this idea is really compelling and good for developers for easier developing and wider audience , but if you take another look , wouldn't that be bad for some certain developers or companies ?
    Take WhatsApp for example , it hadn't ever made an app for PC did it ? But with windows 10 it MUST make that app bcos it will run on the PC , am I wrong ? The same story goes for other apps like snapchat , and less common apps like bitstrips (makes cartoonish comics of yourself and share on facebook and twitter) , so what do you think ??
    02-02-2015 03:47 PM
  2. Asskickulater's Avatar
    Hey everyone
    I came with a bit of weird thought I dunno if I was right or wrong , I like the universal app thing and it is really amazing to have the very same app run on both my phone and laptop , this idea is really compelling and good for developers for easier developing and wider audience , but if you take another look , wouldn't that be bad for some certain developers or companies ?
    Take WhatsApp for example , it hadn't ever made an app for PC did it ? But with windows 10 it MUST make that app bcos it will run on the PC , am I wrong ? The same story goes for other apps like snapchat , and less common apps like bitstrips (makes cartoonish comics of yourself and share on facebook and twitter) , so what do you think ??
    They don't HAVE to, its not a requirement, but.. if you already have the app for it made, there really is no reason not to..
    02-02-2015 05:41 PM
  3. Benito Sifuentes's Avatar
    It might even give them incentive to actually develop more for Windows devices... Especially if the company is looking into making applications for PCs
    02-02-2015 05:51 PM
  4. KarmaEcrivain94's Avatar
    If you want, you can only dev for one of the 2 platforms. The thing is, it's just as simple to dev for both at the same time. If we're lucky, stuff like WhatsApp will come to w10 for devices over 8'
    02-02-2015 06:05 PM
  5. Qais Abu-Hasan's Avatar
    They didn't say anything about developing for a specific platform! Am I missing something here ?
    MaxyBley and xerox13ster like this.
    02-04-2015 09:59 AM
  6. Jas00555's Avatar
    They didn't say anything about developing for a specific platform! Am I missing something here ?
    Why would they possibly go "and with Windows 10, you're able to develop for only one platform if you want to! How exciting!!"?

    Although, there is something you're missing alright...
    02-04-2015 10:04 AM
  7. Qais Abu-Hasan's Avatar
    Why would they possibly go "and with Windows 10, you're able to develop for only one platform if you want to! How exciting!!"?

    Although, there is something you're missing alright...
    That's the point , why would they do that !
    02-04-2015 10:33 AM
  8. Jas00555's Avatar
    That's the point , why would they do that !
    Yes, why would they brag about how limited you could make an app? If you get that, I don't get your OP.
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    02-04-2015 10:36 AM
  9. anon(5383410)'s Avatar
    with windows 10 it MUST make that app bcos it will run on the PC , am I wrong ?
    Yes, you're wrong.
    02-04-2015 01:23 PM
  10. eruptflail's Avatar
    What you forget is they all DO have apps on tablets. That's the catch. They want to get on your surface or transformer book, because you might be carting that thing around.
    02-04-2015 03:09 PM
  11. Southgarden116's Avatar
    BTW WhatsApp is now available on the PC through the Chrome Browser. So I don't think it's a problem for them to have an App for Windows 10.
    02-05-2015 10:09 AM
  12. Ouzzi's Avatar
    I think their universal app idea is that you can develop an app/idea for windows 10 and if you want you can easily publish it on the windows 10 store for phones or for xbox one. You wouldn't need to do a lot of coding to port the app. *Not sure how it works exactly* but I'm pretty sure the whole universal app is all about flexibility.

    If your app can work for desktop/tablet/xbox audiences along with mobile ones then hey, why wouldn't a developer want to reach more people. If it doesn't, then don't make it available to all devices.
    02-09-2015 10:22 PM
  13. ronaldme's Avatar
    People tend to talk about things without really know about it.

    If you are a developer you know that there is something like the app manifest, where you can express, for example, the platform requirements (including phone capabilities)

    Then, if you want to talk about something, just goigle it before 😉
    schumi1331 likes this.
    02-10-2015 12:17 PM
  14. nmercy's Avatar
    Basically how universal apps work are you have 3 projects in the solution for the app. The first is the core code shared by the Windows app and the Windows Phone app. This would be for things like storing your data, manipulating the data, etc...

    The second project is your Windows Phone project. This is where your phone specific code goes. The third project is your Windows project. This is where your PC specific code goes.

    Most likely this will your user interface (because what looks good on 4.5" may not look good at 13"+), graphical asset differences (you don't need something higher resolution than what the device can support), and phone specific features (dialing the phone), etc...

    It would make the most sense to create the Universal app (at least with Windows 10 as Windows 8.1/Windows Phone 8.1 have enough differences to make it viable to create separate ones) as you're sharing all your base code, the apps can have the same id (one download, download everywhere), and maintenance would be easier. Now if you didn't want to work on the Windows app or the Windows Phone app at that point, you just ignore it and don't upload it when you go to release... then if you ever decide to work on it everything is there and ready to go.
    TechFreak1 and leo74 like this.
    02-10-2015 12:29 PM
  15. Michael Alan Goff's Avatar
    You can make your project universal, but I don't think you have to.
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    02-10-2015 06:34 PM
  16. _Emi_'s Avatar
    why would developers stop making apps? if Whatsapp didn't want to develop apps for Windows desktop or Xbox one, well... they won't and they will only publish their App for Windows Phone, but that would be silly in my opinion, because Universal apps are meant to share the most code it can, so developers only adapt the UI if they want it on desktop or xbox one.
    But Universal apps are optional, just like today. and not every app made for windows phone, will make it to desktop and vice versa. But I am sure most developers won't have any excuse now not to adapt their app to other windows platforms if it only means adapting UI as Microsoft intends to do.
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    02-10-2015 06:43 PM
  17. ronaldme's Avatar
    Basically how universal apps work are you have 3 projects in the solution for the app. The first is the core code shared by the Windows app and the Windows Phone app. This would be for things like storing your data, manipulating the data, etc...

    The second project is your Windows Phone project. This is where your phone specific code goes. The third project is your Windows project. This is where your PC specific code goes.

    Most likely this will your user interface (because what looks good on 4.5" may not look good at 13"+), graphical asset differences (you don't need something higher resolution than what the device can support), and phone specific features (dialing the phone), etc...

    It would make the most sense to create the Universal app (at least with Windows 10 as Windows 8.1/Windows Phone 8.1 have enough differences to make it viable to create separate ones) as you're sharing all your base code, the apps can have the same id (one download, download everywhere), and maintenance would be easier. Now if you didn't want to work on the Windows app or the Windows Phone app at that point, you just ignore it and don't upload it when you go to release... then if you ever decide to work on it everything is there and ready to go.
    This is how universal apps works on Windows Phone 8.1, but we are talking about Windows 10 universal apps.

    why would developers stop making apps? if Whatsapp didn't want to develop apps for Windows desktop or Xbox one, well... they won't and they will only publish their App for Windows Phone, but that would be silly in my opinion, because Universal apps are meant to share the most code it can, so developers only adapt the UI if they want it on desktop or xbox one.
    But Universal apps are optional, just like today. and not every app made for windows phone, will make it to desktop and vice versa. But I am sure most developers won't have any excuse now not to adapt their app to other windows platforms if it only means adapting UI as Microsoft intends to do.
    The only thing that WhatsApp need to do is to put phone requirements on the manifest, that way the app will not work on PC or Xbox One even if it is an universal all.
    Karan542 likes this.
    02-10-2015 11:54 PM
  18. Bojan Malinovic's Avatar
    You can but you are not obliged to develop apps for both PC and Phone. That is from purely developers point of view. But most of apps publishers are in bussiness of making money and from economic aspect its better for them to have apps for both platforms. I use many apps on my phone that I would like to buy but havent bought them just because they dont have PC version of it.

    This is very good strategy from Microsoft to attract more premium app publishers to our platform and if you look at it logicaly they should have success with it but we will see what will reality bring.
    02-11-2015 12:22 AM
  19. white_Shadoww's Avatar
    I think Windows 10 is like, develope for one platform, be PC or phone, and it will work on all Windows products out of the box. That is, if developer wrote an app for PC and the requirements of the app are fulfilled by a phone, it will work on it, and developer will have to add 0 code to make it availabe to phone.
    02-11-2015 12:25 AM
  20. alex athanasopoulos's Avatar
    You make only one app and if you want works for pc, wp, tablet and xbox one. Only thing you have to do is design it once and optimize it for all screen sizes. Actually I believe it will boost the app market
    02-11-2015 12:31 AM
  21. white_Shadoww's Avatar
    You make only one app and if you want works for pc, wp, tablet and xbox one. Only thing you have to do is design it once and optimize it for all screen sizes. Actually I believe it will boost the app market

    I don't think you even need to redesign for Phone, Pc, Xbox etc. That's why the slamming of hamburger on every app of Windows 10 for phones.
    02-11-2015 02:08 AM
  22. nmercy's Avatar
    This is how universal apps works on Windows Phone 8.1, but we are talking about Windows 10 universal apps.
    I would be very surprised if universal apps for W10 worked differently than for W8.1, if only to allow the separation of resources between the two versions... though there are other viable reasons to have separate versions of the app for PC and phone such as features that only make sense to have on the phone or PC.

    Granted with W10 I also think it will be very viable, depending on your app, to just use the shared project for all your code, views, etc... as the runtime will now be 100% compatible between all devices and the controls naturally do a pretty good job of fitting and resizing to whatever screen size you're using. In this case the different projects would be pretty much for targeting, though I guess Microsoft could just force the creation of all versions when you build from a single project.
    02-11-2015 07:35 AM
  23. ronaldme's Avatar
    I would be very surprised if universal apps for W10 worked differently than for W8.1, if only to allow the separation of resources between the two versions... though there are other viable reasons to have separate versions of the app for PC and phone such as features that only make sense to have on the phone or PC.

    Granted with W10 I also think it will be very viable, depending on your app, to just use the shared project for all your code, views, etc... as the runtime will now be 100% compatible between all devices and the controls naturally do a pretty good job of fitting and resizing to whatever screen size you're using. In this case the different projects would be pretty much for targeting, though I guess Microsoft could just force the creation of all versions when you build from a single project.
    They talked about it, same code, only UI resources will be separated.
    02-11-2015 02:50 PM
  24. Ed Boland's Avatar
    I would be very surprised if universal apps for W10 worked differently than for W8.1
    The difference is going to be the unified store. One store, all Windows 10 apps.

    The appeal for the developers to create universal apps is going to be that the app that they once developed for the limited (3%?) Windows Phone market, is now going to extend into the massive Windows PC install base. Keep in mind that Windows 10 is going to be free for the first year for all Windows 7 and 8.1 users.
    02-11-2015 09:30 PM
  25. JamesDax's Avatar
    What if they didn't?
    02-11-2015 09:34 PM
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