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  1. ajayden's Avatar
    That would be great because Windows is miles behind Macs and Chromebooks in battery life, It would make the product more competitive. Let's wait for the benchmarks.
    Lol. Chromebooks?? Seriously?? They are never to be considered a notebook or a laptop, as they dont even come near to a proper productivity device.

    Macbook. Yes, they have good battery life of nearly 8 to 9 hours on actual average use. But then, todays laptops or notebooks are matching up to the battery life of Macbook.

    Have you thought about this.....Even if Macbook has a good battery life, it is still a distant 2nd in terms of PC/Laptop market share. Why?

    Because the offering from Microsoft is too good for majority of normal and business users.
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    03-27-2015 02:42 AM
  2. excalibur1814's Avatar
    Windows does not need saving.
    03-27-2015 05:52 AM
  3. excalibur1814's Avatar
    That would be great because Windows is miles behind Macs and Chromebooks in battery life, It would make the product more competitive. Let's wait for the benchmarks.
    You don't read many reviews then. Please view the graphs and digest the information.

    AnandTech | The ASUS Zenbook UX305 Review
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    03-27-2015 05:54 AM
  4. ryanchase12's Avatar
    Obviously every new version of an operating system introduce new features. iOS and Android also iintroduce a lot of new features with each new version.



    My point is Windows 10 is not revolutionary. It would be an interesting case if minor changes could make a big difference.
    That's cause you haven't seen the big picture yet. No one has. Everything they've shown us till now is not the full 100%. They have shown us maybe 50%. You're gonna have to wait till build to see what's to come. There's still so many features they haven't unveiled yet. Even the freaking UI isn't complete. Once the final product comes, it WILL be revolutionary.
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    03-27-2015 06:16 AM
  5. ajayden's Avatar
    You don't read many reviews then. Please view the graphs and digest the information.

    AnandTech | The ASUS Zenbook UX305 Review

    Well I read reviews, that's the reason I said "most of the new laptops".

    However, you are talking about the Asus Zenbook, but if you look at the review, the Dell XPS performs better than any laptop.
    03-27-2015 07:21 AM
  6. fatclue_98's Avatar
    That would be great because Windows is miles behind Macs and Chromebooks in battery life, It would make the product more competitive. Let's wait for the benchmarks.
    More competitive? Windows owns a 95% share in the PC market. Your obvious disdain for anything from Microsoft is clouding your judgment.
    03-27-2015 09:00 AM
  7. realwarder's Avatar
    That would be great because Windows is miles behind Macs and Chromebooks in battery life, It would make the product more competitive. Let's wait for the benchmarks.
    Source please. With same workload, show either of those are better.
    03-27-2015 12:27 PM
  8. rockstarzzz's Avatar
    I was watching those videos for developers about the new SDK, and from what I understood "Universal apps" is not a new technology, there is nothing special about it. Just the same Universal apps of Windows 8 with a few improvements. There was no mention of any support for productivity apps in this framework, It's still touch centric.

    The same could be said about Windows 10. It's just Windows 7 plus tiles, Cortana and notifications. Windows 10 mobile is just Windows Phone 8.1 with hamburger menus . In contrast, Windows Phone 7 and Windows 8 were such a big departures from their previous versions.

    It would be surreal if a few tweaks here and there would be enough to save Windows from oblivion.

    https://channel9.msdn.com/Series/Dev...ows-10-Preview
    ​Do you realise that on top of some excellent posts by users outlining how W10 on phones and desktop is not "just.." but A LOT more - we have not seen any new consumer facing features yet. Whatever we know, we've seen is all based on the technical preview and SDK. Microsoft always saves the consumer benefiting features for the last event. The way Cortana was way more than what we thought she would be when it was actually shown by Microsoft.

    We gotta wait till Microsoft says, "...and that's Windows 10". They haven't said that. They've only said "Windows 10 will have this.." and "Oh.. and this".. "and also this.." - but they haven't stopped making it, not yet.
    03-27-2015 12:41 PM
  9. yihong kang's Avatar
    You may not have an idea what you are talking about. If you are comparing windows gaming laptops vs arm based chrome book vs low resolution mac air. Yes, the battery life on windows laptops are crap. However, you are comparing apples and oranges.

    If you really want to compare the OS, you need to compare similar hardware configuration. For example, HP spectre x360 (10 hr) vs MacBook pro (9 hr) vs chome pixel (8hr). The battery life are similar. Chromebook may even be the worst.
    03-27-2015 02:04 PM
  10. jnjroach's Avatar
    Source please.
    That would be under NDA....
    03-27-2015 02:10 PM
  11. Luuthian's Avatar
    It should at least be pointed out that part of the reason why MS owns so much laptop market share is because there are a gazillion cheap laptops from a zillion different manufactures out there at far lower price points than Macbooks. Generally the only thing keeping Apple from owning the laptop market is their absurdly high price points and the few unfortunate souls who simply dislike the brand for being what it is.

    Microsoft is to laptops what Android is to smartphones... Android only has so much global marketshare because you can get an android for dirt cheap. I mean heck, look at this: http://info.localytics.com/hs-fs/hub...e-27.02.14.png even last year 1/2 of Samsung's sales (and 1/3 of all Android sales) were specifically Samsung branded entry-to-mid tier devices. Their premium devices only make up 1/3 of all Androids combined and everyone else's premium devices make up even less, so of course Apple wouldn't own the laptop market.

    Satya Nadella himself was the one who pointed out, at the Windows 10 event, that he wants people to go from using Windows, to choosing Windows, to loving Windows. He's basically admitting that people use Windows (specifically 8) because it's what's available and affordable... not because it's what they WANT to use. So let's not throw numbers around and claim Windows is superior to other OSs simply because it has numbers behind it. Windows will likely always have stupid amounts of desktop/laptop market share but the numbers don't prove much in regards to actual consumer satisfaction (an area where Apple always seems to win). It's worth acknowledging when competitors are doing something better, and at the same time striving to reach that same level of quality (which Windows 10 is making more genuine attempts at accomplishing, especially in regards to getting user feedback).
    Last edited by Luuthian; 03-28-2015 at 09:46 AM.
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    03-27-2015 10:34 PM
  12. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Generally the only thing keeping Apple from owning the laptop market is their absurdly high price points and the few unfortunate souls who simply dislike the brand for being what it is.
    No, it's not the high prices. It's the business programs that OS X doesn't run. It's the crazy number of peripherals that don't support Apple's OS.

    Your point is plausible in the consumer market but it's totally irrelevant in the business/enterprise sector. There are countless numbers of businesses that still run on Windows 2000 or XP and only now that XP is no longer supported would they even consider an upgrade.

    As for the typical John Q. Public, Apple's going to have a hard time keeping the miniscule numbers they have now. I've kept an Apple desktop at home since 2003 but those days are numbered. Why? I don't feel the need to have to upgrade my hardware every couple of years because OS X keeps dropping support for legacy devices or apps after just a few years. I have 2 desktops that are in perfect condition but are worthless because their innards don't support the newest OS. Apple does build excellent hardware but if it's going to be obsolete in 4 years, I may as well get a cheap piece of junk since it won't survive the next upgrade cycle.
    03-28-2015 05:46 PM
  13. Luuthian's Avatar
    Your point is plausible in the consumer market but it's totally irrelevant in the business/enterprise sector. There are countless numbers of businesses that still run on Windows 2000 or XP and only now that XP is no longer supported would they even consider an upgrade.

    As for the typical John Q. Public, Apple's going to have a hard time keeping the miniscule numbers they have now.
    I wouldn't debate the business end of things, and you're right on that count. I was really talking about the general consumer market.

    As for having a hard time keeping their current consumer numbers, Apple is one of the few vendors posting large percentage gains most quarters in the general laptop market. Some analysts are already expecting them to grow macbook sales 30% in Q2 this year while everyone else will be gaining under 5%. Just look at graphs like these: How Apple took over the only segment of the PC market that still matters | ZDNet, or current growth numbers like these: Apple Announces Futuristic New MacBook - Forbes

    I don't think they'll have a problem with keeping this pace either, so long as they continue to create devices that change dramatically every few years. It's clear from the numbers that not everyone needs the versatility, or legacy support, of a Windows based laptop. The marketing is certainly doing its share of the work, however.

    It does beg the question, though, of when Microsoft is going to get around to creating a trend like this of their own. Nothing from the Windows stable of devices has created the same level of reverence macbooks carry outside of maybe the XPS 13 (deservedly so). And MS isn't sharing Surface sales figures so it's safe to assume that, while they're doing much better, they're still not at a level one wants to discuss in front of competition.

    Personally I'm begging for a Surface device, but I can't buy in when they cost so much. You can get an entry level Macbook Air or Dell XPS for the same price as the lowest tier Surface 3 once you add the keyboard. And at 64GB, that entry level is not appealing in the slightest. They need to hit that sweetspot area the iPad has. The surface is just such a bizarre product with bizarre pricing. It's not hard to see why it hasn't reached mass appeal.
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    03-28-2015 06:45 PM
  14. fatclue_98's Avatar
    I don't think they'll have a problem with keeping this pace either, so long as they continue to create devices that change dramatically every few years.
    That's why they're a niche player and will remain that way. You mention you can't buy a Surface Pro because of the high price. Well, most people feel that way and won't, or can't, justify a large purchase like that every few years because the OS requires newer and more advanced hardware.
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    03-28-2015 08:57 PM
  15. rockstarzzz's Avatar
    More competitive? Windows owns a 95% share in the PC market. Your obvious disdain for anything from Microsoft is clouding your judgment.

    ​I'm sure the decline in last quarter made that figure 90-92%, no?
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    03-30-2015 04:46 AM
  16. realwarder's Avatar
    ​I'm sure the decline in last quarter made that figure 90-92%, no?
    I really doubt it. Decline is in current sales, not total PCs in the market place.

    Will take many years of low (say 70%) Windows PC sales to get the market down from high 90's... but for PCs, Windows are still 90%+ of PC sales with Mac 7% and Chromebook < 1%.
    03-30-2015 07:50 AM
  17. fatclue_98's Avatar
    I really doubt it. Decline is in current sales, not total PCs in the market place.

    Will take many years of low (say 70%) Windows PC sales to get the market down from high 90's... but for PCs, Windows are still 90%+ of PC sales with Mac 7% and Chromebook < 1%.
    He was being sarcastic with me. Stand down young man.
    03-30-2015 10:52 AM
  18. realwarder's Avatar
    He was being sarcastic with me. Stand down young man.
    Been a while since I've been called that :)
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    03-30-2015 12:59 PM
  19. Grimlock's Avatar
    I think the biggest hurdle W10 has to overcome is getting people to upgrade from w7 and XP. A lot of people are saying things like "1.5 billion pcs in the world, free windows 10, boom now they got market share". Universal apps can't be a savior if its only on 15% of PCs.

    So while OSX is gaining market share that isn't their biggest problem. I really do like W10 and see it as big improvement over W8, but i don't think the changes made are going to win over those who didn't like W8. It will make w8 users happier and some w7 users will upgrade because its free, but i think this is a hail Mary strategy.

    W7 will always be the biggest competitor to W10, and ill be interested in the numbers next year when its not free.
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    04-01-2015 02:46 PM
  20. ajayden's Avatar
    I think the biggest hurdle W10 has to overcome is getting people to upgrade from w7 and XP. A lot of people are saying things like "1.5 billion pcs in the world, free windows 10, boom now they got market share". Universal apps can't be a savior if its only on 15% of PCs.

    So while OSX is gaining market share that isn't their biggest problem. I really do like W10 and see it as big improvement over W8, but i don't think the changes made are going to win over those who didn't like W8. It will make w8 users happier and some w7 users will upgrade because its free, but i think this is a hail Mary strategy.

    W7 will always be the biggest competitor to W10, and ill be interested in the numbers next year when its not free.
    From businessman's perspective, most individuals or businesses did not upgrade from XP to W7 or W7 to W8, because of the $$$ they had to pay for the upgrade.

    Example is an MNC I used to work for. They have 1000's of PC's in the office that runs W7 and still not upgraded because of the cost involved.

    When the free W10 will be released, the businesses or individuals have nothing to lose by upgrading and will gain more in terms of updated OS with new features. And, people who are waiting for a free upgrade are large in numbers.
    04-03-2015 04:43 AM
  21. Grimlock's Avatar
    From businessman's perspective, most individuals or businesses did not upgrade from XP to W7 or W7 to W8, because of the $$$ they had to pay for the upgrade.

    Example is an MNC I used to work for. They have 1000's of PC's in the office that runs W7 and still not upgraded because of the cost involved.

    When the free W10 will be released, the businesses or individuals have nothing to lose by upgrading and will gain more in terms of updated OS with new features. And, people who are waiting for a free upgrade are large in numbers.
    I don't think it's a free upgrade for enterprise users
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    04-05-2015 02:51 PM
  22. Luuthian's Avatar
    I don't think it's a free upgrade for enterprise users
    It isn't. They've repeated this multiple times. There's far more involved with enterprise PCs ans support/licensing etc. so it stands to reason you would charge for those services. Plus it makes money, sweet, sweet bucket loads of money.

    It doesn't make sense to charge the regular joe anymore though. Paying money to upgrade is the #1 reason why user bases remain so fragmented. Better to enroll as many people as possible in your current OS and earn the lost cash back through your proprietary app store and services. Most people never paid to upgrade to a new version of Windows anyways... They just bought a completely new computer.
    04-06-2015 04:30 PM
  23. Jas00555's Avatar
    It isn't. They've repeated this multiple times. There's far more involved with enterprise PCs ans support/licensing etc. so it stands to reason you would charge for those services. Plus it makes money, sweet, sweet bucket loads of money.

    It doesn't make sense to charge the regular joe anymore though. Paying money to upgrade is the #1 reason why user bases remain so fragmented. Better to enroll as many people as possible in your current OS and earn the lost cash back through your proprietary app store and services. Most people never paid to upgrade to a new version of Windows anyways... They just bought a completely new computer.
    Isn't it a "free" upgrade if you have SA though?
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    04-06-2015 04:32 PM
  24. tgp's Avatar
    Isn't it a "free" upgrade if you have SA though?
    Yes, that's correct. Windows Enterprise is only available to customers with SA, who don't pay for the upgrade as long as they're up to date on their subscription, and to partners, who get Microsoft products such as Windows and Office for free anyway.
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