05-22-2015 07:16 AM
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  1. byobg's Avatar
    hey, I'm not sure if your illiterate or what.. but umm.. in case you didn't know.. YOU'RE USING PRE BETA SOFTWARE!!!

    how about you all stop judging the visuals until it atleast hits beta stage eh? I swear this insider program is Microsofts worst mistake =/
    I'll prove that I can read, by posting a link to this thing that I read: Windows 10 Design: Getting the balance right

    And I'll draw your attention to this part:

    [Begin quoted section]

    People aren’t squares

    We’ve also heard that using circles to represent people doesn’t reflect our overall design and feels out of sync with what we’ve done in the past.

    I’m going to segue a bit into some of our design thinking here, but stay with me for a bit….We did a lot of thinking about this during our planning stages for Windows 10, and what we tried to accomplish was to help the people in your life really stand out visually. This is particularly important in experiences like Start, and when you’re moving through different apps where there are people mixed with other content types. So for now, we’re going to stick with using circles to represent people, and we hope we’ll hear that you enjoy how easy it is to spot a friend when you’re glancing through all the things you do on your phone.

    [End quoted section]
    04-30-2015 09:01 AM
  2. michail71's Avatar
    I figured they had their reasons. However, I disagree with this reasoning. Our brains are wired to see and identify faces. That's why people see Jesus in toast. I don't think we need the container to be round to make them stand out. Unless there was some sort of cognitive study on this I'm not sold.

    I'd rather see a round tilt shift. That would stand out even more as a spotlight and look a little less awkward. Well, that might look weird. I'd have to see it first.

    I bet there was some interesting internal debate.
    sinime likes this.
    04-30-2015 09:24 AM
  3. AndyCalling's Avatar
    A circle is not an efficient shape for these pictures as is does not tessellate. It reduces the resolution of the pictures for no good reason. Why doesn't the pictures app use circular versions of our pictures? And why aren't our cameras, monitors and TVs circular? The reasons are obvious. I have used a circular CRT monitor before now (pretty specialised work at the time) and that shape is very much not ideal for consumer use. It would suit circular pictures and icons though, in the same way that rectangular pictures suit a rectangular display. MS is aiming at an incredibly small market with circular design.
    RJ Priest and Kram Sacul like this.
    04-30-2015 12:10 PM
  4. jlzimmerman's Avatar
    If you're using W10 and not liking the round profile pictures, SUBMIT THE FEEDBACK.
    04-30-2015 01:47 PM
  5. Asskickulater's Avatar
    I'll prove that I can read, by posting a link to this thing that I read: Windows 10 Design: Getting the balance right

    And I'll draw your attention to this part:

    [Begin quoted section]

    People aren’t squares

    We’ve also heard that using circles to represent people doesn’t reflect our overall design and feels out of sync with what we’ve done in the past.

    I’m going to segue a bit into some of our design thinking here, but stay with me for a bit….We did a lot of thinking about this during our planning stages for Windows 10, and what we tried to accomplish was to help the people in your life really stand out visually. This is particularly important in experiences like Start, and when you’re moving through different apps where there are people mixed with other content types. So for now, we’re going to stick with using circles to represent people, and we hope we’ll hear that you enjoy how easy it is to spot a friend when you’re glancing through all the things you do on your phone.

    [End quoted section]
    Good job.. you found a quote that backs my own opinion up on the subject, but exactly how does that have any correlation to the post of mine you quoted?
    04-30-2015 08:03 PM
  6. michail71's Avatar
    how about you all stop judging the visuals until it atleast hits beta stage eh? I swear this insider program is Microsofts worst mistake =/
    The engineering team is writing about how helpful this program has been in the development cycle for identifying bugs, design ideas and feedback. Can you provide any evidence that this is Microsoft's worst mistake? Don't you remember Microsoft Bob?
    04-30-2015 08:45 PM
  7. Jonnie LasVegas's Avatar
    Yeah, unfortunately we are stuck with the round pics for people. At least according to the design team. It just clashes so much with the rest of the OS.
    04-30-2015 08:48 PM
  8. michail71's Avatar
    If you're using W10 and not liking the round profile pictures, SUBMIT THE FEEDBACK.
    They have gotten enough feedback that they felt the need to write a response, much like the hamburger menu. I admire that they'll stick to their design ideals in many case as that is sometimes needed to push innovation. However, if there is ever a hack to show the full picture I'm on it. :) But being modern apps they probably won't be hackable.
    04-30-2015 08:49 PM
  9. ewingleong's Avatar
    I've been reading up on Windows 10 for the past week and although people seem to be talking about it; they may not be actually referring to the same thing during discussions. The UI on a desktop is utterly different than that of a WP. Round profiles may look good on a desktop or a tablet user who may not be using a WP. I don't know as I am a Mac user. But to a Windows Phone user, which I am - what will happen to my pinned contacts? Am I going to get round tiles (contacts) mixed in with my square tiles (app)?

    So, I think the important question is how is the design team at Microsoft's going to cohesively band all UI surfaces together under one unified visual identity. I believe any kind shapes can be used - be it a circle or a square... heck a hexagon. But, design is not just a shape of a profile picture or a tile... it's how everything will read together as a whole.

    If Metro is being phased off, so be it... but where is this all headed towards? A new direction for the design language or just a hodgepodge of wanting to do everything, for everyone?
    05-01-2015 12:12 AM
  10. michail71's Avatar
    As of now the pinned contacts still fill the whole live tile. It's everywhere else they get the round cropping. On the desktop the people app and login screen use the round crops.

    Metro isn't being phased out it has just evolved into Windows Apps, often called modern apps. They just run on the desktop now in a traditional style windows. Or you can run the system in tablet mode where it runs similar to 8.1.
    05-01-2015 08:52 AM
  11. Blacklac's Avatar
    Everything about Windows seems squared off. I dont feel like rounded icons/tiles/pictures fit the UI. I find it distracting, myself.
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    05-01-2015 09:20 AM
  12. michail71's Avatar
    The first I recall seeing it used was on google plus. So I still have that mental association.
    05-01-2015 09:31 AM
  13. Kram Sacul's Avatar
    The first I recall seeing it used was on google plus. So I still have that mental association.
    I want to say Skype had circles before but I'm not sure. Google+, OKCupid, Disqus, Skype, etc. It doesn't matter really. Circle contacts pictures have no place in an OS that's supposed to be professional. They're just another hamburger menu. Well meaning but ultimately a design failure.
    05-01-2015 09:28 PM
  14. vw1610's Avatar
    I actually like it. It looks more modern.
    05-17-2015 10:54 AM
  15. Mercule's Avatar
    I hate it. One of the least appealing changes. Actually makes it harder to recognize people. We may be wired to see round(ish) faces, but we do so against a largely solid/continuous background.
    05-18-2015 10:13 AM
  16. Joshua Jackson's Avatar
    One benefit of the circle picture is that, in the XBOX app, my profile picture is a tiny square image within a grey circle.
    Hehehe...
    That's much better than a fully-visible square picture.
    JJ
    05-18-2015 10:30 AM
  17. Joshua Jackson's Avatar
    what will happen to my pinned contacts? Am I going to get round tiles (contacts) mixed in with my square tiles (app)?
    Another Windows Phone user, that I know, installed an app that creates circle tiles.
    I thought it was abhorrent.
    He thought it was cool.
    This was with Windows Phone 8.1, before I saw all the Windows 10 circles.
    JJ
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    05-18-2015 10:32 AM
  18. Joshua Jackson's Avatar
    Wow, three posts in a row...

    Circle contacts pictures have no place in an OS that's supposed to be professional.
    I think the nail has been, squarely, hit on the head.
    I've always viewed mobile Windows (and, to a lesser extent, Blackberry) as "professional" and iOS/Android and "consumer".
    Obviously, the business world hasn't agreed with my idea (every pilot, that I know, has an iPad in the cockpit).
    I've always viewed my phone as a productivity tool; an extension of my computer.
    JJ
    05-18-2015 10:37 AM
  19. michail71's Avatar
    Skype for Business has it too. But Skype for Business makes all their icons round, which is counter to Microsoft's statement about making the people stand out by being round. But Skype has always felt awkwardly out of place in the Microsoft family.
    05-22-2015 12:23 AM
  20. RJ Priest's Avatar
    There should be a system wide toggle to switch between round and square profile pictures. Please give the user a choice!!

    I'd like to think that it would be easy to implement. I'd assume that the OS is simply applying a circular opacity matte - just turn it off.
    05-22-2015 12:28 AM
  21. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Skype for Business has it too. But Skype for Business makes all their icons round, which is counter to Microsoft's statement about making the people stand out by being round. But Skype has always felt awkwardly out of place in the Microsoft family.
    I don't have Skype for Business, but the regular Skype for desktop has round profile pictures. I don't mind them.
    05-22-2015 12:35 AM
  22. mjyumping's Avatar
    Round looks better since we are already used to the square one for too long, I think it's the best time to try something new. Also now square one makes me think it's like a 1x1 or 2x2 I.D card picture
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    05-22-2015 12:46 AM
  23. michail71's Avatar
    I don't have Skype for Business, but the regular Skype for desktop has round profile pictures. I don't mind them.
    In that the buttons are round too. Which I don't actually mind. It's just counter to the concept of making the people stand out from the app. My biggest issue with the round pictures is that some of the crops just come out bad.
    05-22-2015 07:16 AM
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