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  1. btgusto's Avatar
    I think you are totally wrong with this line of thinking. People WILL use the app on tablets and to a lesser extent on desktops. On W8 I did use the BoA app. It was limited of course when compared to the website but I still used it. Also, don't forget that many people didn't think we'd see a person taking pictures with their tablets in public but I still see many people doing this very thing. as awkward is it may look. Just for the simple fact of getting notifications about your account (balance, withdrawls, etc.) without opening the app or website is a huge win for having the app. Live tiles also.
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    04-30-2015 08:05 PM
  2. falconrap's Avatar
    The one thing I think is humorous to see is the developers who are saying there isn't enough market share to even justify the upkeep costs of an app on Windows. That's a cop out, and, quite frankly, points to either a) said developers' apps aren't very appealing to an audience and require a billion users to get enough use to make any money on it, or b) said developers haven't actually dug into just what is require and how much, or little (from what I've heard), work there is to keep an app maintained. Anyone that has a popular app has to be staring at the ~70 million WP users and wondering how much money they could make if they put the effort in to port and maintain the app on Windows. This really makes it so easy that for any app with a serious market to be monetarily justified to bring over. Add a hundreds of millions more users when Win10 goes live (I can see half a billion by year's end considering it's free), and any developer ignoring that is either an MS hater, or a blithering *****.

    Everything from the iOS and Android porting to the Continuum on a phone has been some of the most exciting stuff I've ever seen from MS. I can't wait to see where this goes.
    04-30-2015 09:11 PM
  3. wpn00b's Avatar
    It depends on the app. A banking app would have no use on the desktop, since the main purpose of banking apps on mobile devices involves taking pictures of checks to deposit them.

    Nobody would use an app for a store on a desktop, laptop or tablet. For example, the Starbucks app allows one to scan his/her Starbucks Card at the register to pay for coffee. Nobody will take a laptop or tablet to the register to scan.

    Other apps do have a purpose. The Netflix app for Windows 8.1 works great on desktop, since it is less of a resource hog than viewing Netflix in a PC browser.
    Banking apps can send notifications to the desktop, can allow you to schedule payments and considering I've had a monitor with a built in webcam on my desktop and lots of laptops have built in webcams, they can also be used to deposit checks or enter receipts into lets say, Excel or even just to track your spending.

    I really think people are downplaying the ability for "apps" to enhance our current computing experience on a desktop computer. I'd rather hold a stack of receipts up one at a time to my camera rather than use the phones camera. I've done this before and its annoying when I'm trying to hold the camera with one hand and smooth out the receipt with the other.
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    04-30-2015 09:37 PM
  4. HoosierDaddy's Avatar
    From that article:

    Microsoft’s Chief Evangelist of Developer Experience Steven Guggenheimer revealed that Microsoft remained in close communication with the banks who withdrew their apps but that both Microsoft and the banks did not feel now was the right time to invest in Windows Phone apps given that Windows 10 was coming, and that the apps could unfortunately not be left un-updated due to regulatory issues. Steven noted that websites provided an adequate experience in the mean time, and that they will provide developers to help the banks create their new apps.
    So Microsoft took a position that apps shouldn't be developed and that it was okay to yank apps from under the feet of customers for 6 months or more. And are arrogant enough to say websites are adequate. Of course its only arrogance if you take him at his word. The truth is worse. I've said before and this pretty much proves I was right that the banking apps only existed in the 1st place because MS stepped in and did them or paid for them. But they can't admit that because it makes them appear the fool. Of course that isn't going to stop them from doing it all over again. And I don't have any problem with them doing that; its their money and reputation but please own the mistakes and don't lie to your customers. If it wasn't a bunch of bull approved from above, Steve would have been fired on the spot for saying it would have been a bad idea for the banks( or anyone) to update or develop Windows Phone apps.

    Even if someone in his position can understand why a business might not update or create an app, they should never publicly say that a decision that harms every Windows Phone customer who use those banks was the right thing to do.

    I doubt he even believes what he said, but kissing up to the banks was more important than Windows users who could always eat cake (use web sites) instead.
    04-30-2015 10:08 PM
  5. michail71's Avatar
    The one thing I think is humorous to see is the developers who are saying there isn't enough market share to even justify the upkeep costs of an app on Windows. That's a cop out, and, quite frankly, points to either a) said developers' apps aren't very appealing to an audience and require a billion users to get enough use to make any money on it, or b) said developers haven't actually dug into just what is require and how much, or little (from what I've heard), work there is to keep an app maintained. Anyone that has a popular app has to be staring at the ~70 million WP users and wondering how much money they could make if they put the effort in to port and maintain the app on Windows. This really makes it so easy that for any app with a serious market to be monetarily justified to bring over. Add a hundreds of millions more users when Win10 goes live (I can see half a billion by year's end considering it's free), and any developer ignoring that is either an MS hater, or a blithering *****.

    Everything from the iOS and Android porting to the Continuum on a phone has been some of the most exciting stuff I've ever seen from MS. I can't wait to see where this goes.
    I said earlier developers need to look at it as a competitive advantage. Small market share but a thirsty market with much less competition.
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    04-30-2015 10:37 PM
  6. vinscuzzy's Avatar
    I think the questions remain whether or not apps that have no use on desktop will be available or not.

    Nobody will use banking apps on their desktops, so will the banks be interested or not?

    Games will probably be available, since those would be popular on desktops, tablets and phones.



    I really don't agree. I have a Windows 8 desktop at work and use Win Apps ALL the time. Netflix, redhubb, windows central, flipboard, etc. I would even use a bank app if one were available. To me its just more convenient.
    05-01-2015 12:33 AM
  7. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    I really don't agree. I have a Windows 8 desktop at work and use Win Apps ALL the time. Netflix, redhubb, windows central, flipboard, etc. I would even use a bank app if one were available. To me its just more convenient.
    It depends on the user. The only app I use regularly on my 8.1 desktop is Netflix. I have Windows Central and Flipboard installed but never use them. Windows Central lacks most of the features found on the website, especially the forums. Flipboard for me is only useful on a mobile device, where I'm flipping through the articles with my fingers. Flipboard does nothing for me on a desktop using a keyboard and mouse.
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    05-01-2015 01:13 AM
  8. TechAbstract's Avatar
    People will start using apps. They fixed many issues in Windows 8 with Windows 10. They know many people with mouse and keyboard don't use the Windows 8 start screen. Start menu is finally back on Windows 10. Apps are now able to resize not just run full screen only, feel just like regular programs. Even Cortana on the taskbar will search for apps in the Store.
    05-01-2015 01:19 AM
  9. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    People will start using apps. They fixed many issues in Windows 8 with Windows 10. They know many people with mouse and keyboard don't use the Windows 8 start screen. Start menu is finally back on Windows 10. Apps are now able to resize not just run full screen only, feel just like regular programs. Even Cortana on the taskbar will search for apps in the Store.
    Even with the changes in Windows 10, people will be less inclined to use apps on desktop if the apps lack the features found in regular programs or websites.
    05-01-2015 01:27 AM
  10. Raj Poladia's Avatar
    I think most of the people who are criticising MS are almost completely wrong, many of my friends love windows phone and use windows desktop, the main reason my friends didn't chose the windows as their phone OS is lac of apps, and now people will hope their might be sudden jump in app count so they may switch and the market share may increase and I don't think developers are least interested in the app development for windows phone, they will surely develop the app I mean port their app to WP because it gives them chance to make it universal where there are already more than billion people waiting for the apps, so if they can port the app for desktop with couple of format and code changes they can make it for windows phone, there is nothing negative in this step of Microsoft as far as I can see, now finally its on developer whether to port the app or not, and I hope developers are not like snap chat team I.e. They would think technically not politically
    05-01-2015 02:52 AM
  11. prasath1234's Avatar
    Why don't people now realize how exciting it will be when your favorite bank notifies you when you are working in desktop.w10 should function such intuitively like phone where users are notified about real agendas from apps.I would like to see my PC turning more than a web browser with quality apps I hope this will revolutionize industry.
    05-01-2015 05:30 AM
  12. ankitj4060's Avatar
    I really want that Microsoft allows installation of android apps to windows phone
    It already announced that Android and IOS apps can now be easily ported to Windows phone devices but I want installation feature also.
    Microsoft please
    05-01-2015 06:05 AM
  13. Legoboyii's Avatar
    I really want that Microsoft allows installation of android apps to windows phone
    It already announced that Android and IOS apps can now be easily ported to Windows phone devices but I want installation feature also.
    Microsoft please
    Wont happen ever, that's what Blackberry did and look at where they're at now. .5% global market share. Microsoft's method is theoretically superior and safer than what BB did. So don't ask because it wont come.
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    05-01-2015 06:14 AM
  14. sam6691's Avatar
    Its true....
    05-01-2015 06:29 AM
  15. rhapdog's Avatar
    Nobody will use banking apps on their desktops, so will the banks be interested or not?
    Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE to see app parity across platforms (cough) Facebook (cough)... But what is the incentive for iOS and Droid developers to add yet another overhead to their process? It's not to get apps into the WP marketshare. Would it be to get into the Windows 10 (desktop) marketshare? If that's the path, aren't the apps there already (for all intents and purposes)?
    Let me answer both of these with another quote:
    Why not ? Its 2015, I could see the bank app work for desktop. How ? NOTIFICATIONS. Similiar to Windows email notifications in upper corner. It would notify you about payments and other stuff. Its not a bad idea.
    Yeah, I'd use the banking app. Imagine I could get a notification if my balance falls below a certain amount, right on my desktop while I'm working! Or that a payment ACH has been issued. I could "track" certain payees and be notified when payments are made.

    Imagine Facebook notifications when someone comments on a photo you posted. Yeah, I would use a Facebook app for W10 if it was done right, on Desktop. I would also use the banking app.

    Imagine, for example, I'm on a business trip and I am 500 miles from my local bank. I get a check for payment and need to make a deposit. Back at the hotel room, I just hold the check up to my laptop camera and deposit the check through the banking app in W10. This actually happened to me last year, and I had to wait until I got home to deposit the check, due to the fact that the bank did not have a branch where I was on vacation. An app would have saved me a lot of headache, because you can't deposit checks using the web site.

    Notifications and integration with Cortana make apps for the desktop very attractive to me. Imagine I am about to go out to dinner on a nice date. Before I get up from my computer to go get dressed, I just say, "Hey, Cortana! What's the current balance in my checking account?" She then gives me the available balance so that I don't get embarrassed at dinner. THAT kind of app is possible with Windows 10.

    This is the future. People are going to love that type of integration so much that many people will begin using apps, I believe. Windows 8 didn't give much reason for people to write apps for it, because there just aren't that many Win8 users. Windows 10 will be different.
    05-01-2015 10:52 AM
  16. Ten Four's Avatar
    Personally, I'm rather disappointed everyone is still so app happy. What about that cloud thing everyone yacks about? I would have thought by now everything on your phone would be moving towards browser-based web functionality instead of having to download, maintain, and utilize functionally deficient apps. There is almost never an app that beats a full-fledged website for functionality, and with responsive design more and more sites are getting very usable on phones. I think that is the real future--almost everything running from the web.
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    05-01-2015 11:22 AM
  17. colinkiama's Avatar
    Personally, I'm rather disappointed everyone is still so app happy. What about that cloud thing everyone yacks about? I would have thought by now everything on your phone would be moving towards browser-based web functionality instead of having to download, maintain, and utilize functionally deficient apps. There is almost never an app that beats a full-fledged website for functionality, and with responsive design more and more sites are getting very usable on phones. I think that is the real future--almost everything running from the web.
    Not everyone has fast internet yet. Right now were are embracing a mix of the cloud and apps. In the future we'll probably rely on the cloud more
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    05-01-2015 11:26 AM
  18. Spectrum90's Avatar
    Actually, a standard for HTML5 notifications is under development. So, an app won't be needed for that.

    https://developer.apple.com/notifica...notifications/
    05-01-2015 11:34 AM
  19. realwarder's Avatar
    Actually, a standard for HTML5 notifications is under development. So, an app won't be needed for that.

    https://developer.apple.com/notifica...notifications/
    That's not a standard. It would be on w3.org if it was. That's no different from Microsoft's demoed JavaScript platform extensions in Windows 10.
    05-01-2015 12:25 PM
  20. Spectrum90's Avatar
    That's not a standard. It would be on w3.org if it was. That's no different from Microsoft's demoed JavaScript platform extensions in Windows 10.
    Yes, It is.
    Web Notifications

    Safari started supporting notification with Safari 6 but only on Mac OSX 10.8+ (Mountain Lion).
    https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/...I/notification
    05-01-2015 12:32 PM
  21. jleebiker's Avatar
    Personally, I'm rather disappointed everyone is still so app happy. What about that cloud thing everyone yacks about? I would have thought by now everything on your phone would be moving towards browser-based web functionality instead of having to download, maintain, and utilize functionally deficient apps. There is almost never an app that beats a full-fledged website for functionality, and with responsive design more and more sites are getting very usable on phones. I think that is the real future--almost everything running from the web.
    As it was mentioned, not everyone has fast internet. Not to mention those people that either go to areas or transit areas that have NO cell connectivity.
    Yes, it still happens, but there are plenty of places that do not have cell or internet connectivity. Until there is universal coverage in every nook and cranny of the world, there will still be a need for "apps".

    No internet => no web app => local app wins.
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    05-01-2015 12:38 PM
  22. Tepid's Avatar
    It depends on the app. A banking app would have no use on the desktop, since the main purpose of banking apps on mobile devices involves taking pictures of checks to deposit them.

    Nobody would use an app for a store on a desktop, laptop or tablet. For example, the Starbucks app allows one to scan his/her Starbucks Card at the register to pay for coffee. Nobody will take a laptop or tablet to the register to scan.

    Other apps do have a purpose. The Netflix app for Windows 8.1 works great on desktop, since it is less of a resource hog than viewing Netflix in a PC browser.

    This is probably about as short sighted as one can get. There absolutely is a need and a reason for a banking app on desktop and tablet. Easier access to banking information can be very useful, and if sandboxes properly, can be secure.
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    05-01-2015 12:39 PM
  23. realwarder's Avatar
    A much better link to a standards authority. So it is a draft standard. Which is pretty much the same as saying it's not a standard, because it isn't because it hasn't been ratified.

    Of course since Apple are using that one, Google is of course using this other draft 'standard' for notifications Push API

    Don't you just love this. Everyone does their own thing, proposing options until eventually things battle their way out of draft status and become a real standard.
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    05-01-2015 12:49 PM
  24. vEEP pEEP's Avatar
    Actually, I would like some messaging apps to come to the desktop or tablet.

    Being able to respond to a Whatsapp message when using my desktop works fine for me. I'd almost prefer it sometimes.

    Sometimes I prefer also to use banking apps/websites from desktop - because I prefer a full keyboard sometimes. And more privacy.

    Having the choice is great. People find find different uses for tools other than intended. Sometimes it turns out to be quite clever!

    Good post - interesting!


    I just went over google play to see the top grossing apps, there are mostly games, messaging apps. Yes, some apps can't leverage the desktop experience but as I see there, we all can benefit from all the other apps that are/can be relevant on desktop. And certainly apps can be tailored to match the desktop experience, For example banking ones, the advantage of using phones over desktop is valid, however the apps can substitute for websites or other experiences. I don't know much about banking, just gave out an idea. Developers can, with some innovation, have a different app experience on desktop while maintaining the universal scheme.
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    05-01-2015 12:56 PM
  25. tgp's Avatar
    This is probably about as short sighted as one can get. There absolutely is a need and a reason for a banking app on desktop and tablet. Easier access to banking information can be very useful, and if sandboxes properly, can be secure.
    You're speaking theoretically. Laura is speaking real world. You're both correct looking at it that way.

    All this talk about W10 "taking off" because of its advantages over the competition, including this one, is theoretical. Yes, it might be fast, simple, stable, beautiful, capable, etc. We'll soon have apps galore because now the customer base is expanded to include desktop users. No one should be able to NOT like it, or to turn it down. But in the real world, that's what is happening. Sure there's a reason for banking apps on the desktop. But are people going to use them?

    As an example, did you know that a bumblebee cannot fly, looking at it logically? If man would have never seen a bumblebee fly, but analyzed it to the end of the world, it would be determined that there's no way it can fly. Yet it does. Things don't always work as it seems they should.

    I agree with Laura. I don't see a lot of apps being used on both phone & desktop, or on the desktop period. Mobile devices depend on apps, and desktops depend on web apps. Some (Store) apps will be used on one, and some on the other, but we're not at the place yet where apps are default on the desktop. That day may come eventually, in fact it probably will, but not anytime soon. By then we might be on the next computing paradigm where it's all moot anyway.
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    05-01-2015 01:38 PM
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