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  1. Spectrum90's Avatar
    A much better link to a standards authority. So it is a draft standard. Which is pretty much the same as saying it's not a standard, because it isn't because it hasn't been ratified.

    Of course since Apple are using that one, Google is of course using this other draft 'standard' for notifications Push API

    Don't you just love this. Everyone does their own thing, proposing options until eventually things battle their way out of draft status and become a real standard.

    I think those two work together. The Push API describes a general purpose system to push messages to the client. The Notification API describes how the notification (a particular kind of message) should be handled and presented to the user.

    Chrome implemented both:
    http://www.programmableweb.com/news/...ins/2015/04/17
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    05-01-2015 01:42 PM
  2. Mr. MacPhisto's Avatar
    From that article:



    So Microsoft took a position that apps shouldn't be developed and that it was okay to yank apps from under the feet of customers for 6 months or more. And are arrogant enough to say websites are adequate. Of course its only arrogance if you take him at his word. The truth is worse. I've said before and this pretty much proves I was right that the banking apps only existed in the 1st place because MS stepped in and did them or paid for them. But they can't admit that because it makes them appear the fool. Of course that isn't going to stop them from doing it all over again. And I don't have any problem with them doing that; its their money and reputation but please own the mistakes and don't lie to your customers. If it wasn't a bunch of bull approved from above, Steve would have been fired on the spot for saying it would have been a bad idea for the banks( or anyone) to update or develop Windows Phone apps.

    Even if someone in his position can understand why a business might not update or create an app, they should never publicly say that a decision that harms every Windows Phone customer who use those banks was the right thing to do.

    I doubt he even believes what he said, but kissing up to the banks was more important than Windows users who could always eat cake (use web sites) instead.
    I don't doubt it. Banking apps are some of the most regularly updated on all stores due to what they deal with. I heard about this when it happened because I deal with Chase as a credit card processor for business as well. It had more to do with them openly questioning if they could have a Win10 app available at launch if they had to update the WP8 app. MS said it was mutual probably because they aren't interested in forcing a bank to do something. Long term having them all onboard for Win10 is more important than having them on WP8.

    Windows 10 and app support there is the long term goal here and I understand sacrificing a couple of months of an app for WP8.1 in order to get Win10 apps in the store.
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    05-01-2015 05:24 PM
  3. Tsang Fai's Avatar
    This is probably about as short sighted as one can get. There absolutely is a need and a reason for a banking app on desktop and tablet. Easier access to banking information can be very useful, and if sandboxes properly, can be secure.
    In my place (Hong Kong), I seldom use banking app because the bank web site provides full functionalities. Some of them are also optimized for smartphone/tablet. So I don't know why banking app is a desperate need.

    According to my experience, banking app may not be that fast. The speed mainly depends on the server-side response time.
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    05-03-2015 09:46 AM
  4. FAHMI BASSEM's Avatar
    I'm optimistic!
    05-03-2015 09:55 AM
  5. MysticForce's Avatar
    I don't think that developers will be interested in creation of new WP apps or portion of applications from android.
    Small number of users is problem.
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    05-04-2015 05:44 AM
  6. HoosierDaddy's Avatar
    I don't think that developers will be interested in creation of new WP apps or portion of applications from android.
    Well Duh. Professional developers aren't interested in making Android or iPhone apps either. They are interested in making money from any app whether it is Android, iPhone, Windows, you name it. Income = (income from each app installed * # of apps installed) - app development costs. If converting an Android or iPhone app to Windows costs 5% what it took to create the app in the first place and there are more than 5% as many Windows users (phone, PC, etc) for that app, the Windows version of the app will be the most profitable.

    Its not like developers go to the grocery store and the clerk asks them to prove they didn't earn the money making Windows apps. Professional developers will only care about how much they make for x amount of effort.
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    05-04-2015 09:28 AM
  7. michail71's Avatar
    Well Duh. Professional developers aren't interested in making Android or iPhone apps either. They are interested in making money from any app whether it is Android, iPhone, Windows, you name it. Income = (income from each app installed * # of apps installed) - app development costs. If converting an Android or iPhone app to Windows costs 5% what it took to create the app in the first place and there are more than 5% as many Windows users (phone, PC, etc) for that app, the Windows version of the app will be the most profitable.

    Its not like developers go to the grocery store and the clerk asks them to prove they didn't earn the money making Windows apps. Professional developers will only care about how much they make for x amount of effort.
    And it's an untapped market with less competition for next to no cost. There can be money made getting there early.
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    05-04-2015 02:37 PM
  8. tgp's Avatar
    And it's an untapped market with less competition for next to no cost. There can be money made getting there early.
    You think they don't know that?
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    05-04-2015 02:50 PM
  9. michail71's Avatar
    You think they don't know that?
    No, but many posters are overlooking that.
    05-04-2015 03:37 PM
  10. excalibur1814's Avatar
    It's difficult... When you get the Store manager in a phone store hating Windows mobile, no matter what happens, the standard consumer will get duff information.
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    05-06-2015 10:23 AM
  11. michail71's Avatar
    It's difficult... When you get the Store manager in a phone store hating Windows mobile, no matter what happens, the standard consumer will get duff information.
    The one time I remember seeing another 1520 in the wild was an AT&T store employee. She loved her phone.
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    05-06-2015 01:18 PM
  12. Owen Dugmore's Avatar
    It's difficult... When you get the Store manager in a phone store hating Windows mobile, no matter what happens, the standard consumer will get duff information.
    I went into a Verizon store the other day to ask them if they would be supporting the WP 10 upgrade on their phones. He had no idea so he asked his boss who still couldn't give a definite answer. I told him I have the Icon and he acted like he had never heard of it.
    05-06-2015 01:41 PM
  13. Mercule's Avatar
    Personally, I'm rather disappointed everyone is still so app happy. What about that cloud thing everyone yacks about? I would have thought by now everything on your phone would be moving towards browser-based web functionality instead of having to download, maintain, and utilize functionally deficient apps. There is almost never an app that beats a full-fledged website for functionality, and with responsive design more and more sites are getting very usable on phones. I think that is the real future--almost everything running from the web.
    "The cloud" isn't (entirely) about web apps. It's more about not making people sync their data all over the place. A lot of it is also being pragmatic about how you let users get to their data. Sometimes, that means a responsive web app. Sometimes, that means an app.

    For example, I don't want to have to be connected to add/view/edit my to-do list. I want that info stored "in the cloud" so that I don't have to think about getting it between my phone and my desktop, though. If I put my phone into airplane mode, then do an update to my list, I should understand why it's not reflected on the desktop, though.
    05-06-2015 02:02 PM
  14. ohgood's Avatar


    1 I went into a Verizon store the other day

    2 to ask them if they would be supporting the WP 10 upgrade on their phones.

    3 He had no idea so
    4 he asked his boss who still couldn't give a definite answer.

    5 I told him I have the Icon and he acted like he had never heard of it.

    1 & 2 - you went to the wrong place, and asked the wrong people. they don't know, or care, about windows, iphone, or android FUTURE software versions. they want to SELL YOU A PHONE today, and get you on contract.

    3 & 4 - no surprise

    5 is easily explained by marketshare:
    those sales people sell android/ios 15-20 times a day.
    they sell windows phone 5 times a week

    the huge majority of devices they see are the iphone (maybe 3 different models) and the galaxy (maybe 2 models), while windows phone is only seen once a day. familiarity sets in pretty easily, and the windows phone just isn't hitting enough receipts to get their interest.

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    05-15-2015 08:30 AM
  15. Stefan Falls's Avatar
    So I'm loving W10. I've been using it since November and don't have much to complain about. I love how they have embraced many of the Linux features that make computing easier and more productive.

    I recently upgraded my Android phone and went with a Moto X (2nd gen), simply because MS isn't quite there in regards to the mobile platform. Two years from now, who knows. I might actually jump ship (but it'll take a lot)
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    05-15-2015 08:44 PM
  16. GoodThings2Life's Avatar
    I think the questions remain whether or not apps that have no use on desktop will be available or not.

    Nobody will use banking apps on their desktops, so will the banks be interested or not?

    Games will probably be available, since those would be popular on desktops, tablets and phones.
    Haven't read all the responses yet, but on the contrary... I would gladly welcome banking apps on desktop rather than web sites! Why? Same reason I like the mobile app for Chase-- remote deposit. If I can do that by app, I'd go for this in a heartbeat.

    That said the reality is that with the new functionality of modern apps, it's clear that MSFT wants them to replace desktop apps over time.
    05-15-2015 08:58 PM
  17. wpn00b's Avatar
    As it was mentioned, not everyone has fast internet. Not to mention those people that either go to areas or transit areas that have NO cell connectivity.
    Yes, it still happens, but there are plenty of places that do not have cell or internet connectivity. Until there is universal coverage in every nook and cranny of the world, there will still be a need for "apps".

    No internet => no web app => local app wins.
    Wait, what? If the app is replacing the websites functionality then how is it pulling information without internet?

    If I want to deposit a check, how does a banking app accomplish that with "no internet". If I want to check the score for my favorite team, how is the app with no internet going to retrieve it?

    What about the latest article on Windows Central...? How does this work without any info? A game might work offline but that's about it.
    Last edited by wpn00b; 05-25-2015 at 10:41 PM.
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    05-25-2015 08:02 PM
  18. markANTHONYgb's Avatar
    Sorry for late reply :D
    I've tried to persuade them that it IS worth it. I mean with a universal app they should have access to Windows desktop users, Windows tablet users, Windows Phone users and Xbox Users. I'm not sure why they don't see this as a substantial user base. They do have a web version, so desktop users are catered for but not the others.
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    06-05-2015 10:49 AM
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