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  1. Mohamed Abdul's Avatar
    lol well done windows
    06-04-2015 03:16 PM
  2. mrpuny's Avatar
    If you HATE Windows 10 then DONT use it. Use the hashtag on twitter #SayNoToWindows10

    I am because of the lack of Windows Media Center....
    Look, I'm a Windows Media Center User (Win7/Xbox360 extenders), and I get your view. But if you're going on a crusade against Windows 10 mainly because of Media Center, be honest about it. Don't try to hurt Win10 but rather explicity support Media Center. If you're trying to bring down Win10 based solely on this you're the classic example of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
    Harrie-S, hiya15, DCTF and 1 others like this.
    06-04-2015 10:01 PM
  3. wokaz80's Avatar
    I think the charms bar was universally hated by desktop users. However, Windows 8 tablet users, like myself, generally liked it. To me the charms bar (and slide in gestures) is the best of the Android taskbar and the minimalism of IOS on the iPad combined into one. I think Windows 8.1 is the best tablet ui (if you never have to venture into desktop land).
    unfortunately desktop users are the mainstream users. i used to love charms bar too on W8 tablet until i realize tablet for productivity is nowhere near the same level of real laptop. With real laptop, i quickly install start menu replacement as it's quite pointless to get modern apps in desktop mode. All the entertainment you can get in modern apps you can also get them in desktop mode. I used to defend W8 but in the end productivity is what matter the most (and all W8 modern apps are pointless for productivity). even if you love entertainment, games on steam are far better than casual games in W8 modern apps.

    At this point I actually agree with people who said Windows 8 is a confusing product. it really is. I still use Windows 8 (with start button replacement that also erased charms bar) and not Windows 7 because of faster boot time but i dont see any advantage other than that. I expect a lot from Windows 10 for desktop mode improvement tbh.
    xsikal likes this.
    06-05-2015 10:10 AM
  4. swanlee's Avatar
    unfortunately desktop users are the mainstream users. i used to love charms bar too on W8 tablet until i realize tablet for productivity is nowhere near the same level of real laptop. With real laptop, i quickly install start menu replacement as it's quite pointless to get modern apps in desktop mode. All the entertainment you can get in modern apps you can also get them in desktop mode. I used to defend W8 but in the end productivity is what matter the most (and all W8 modern apps are pointless for productivity). even if you love entertainment, games on steam are far better than casual games in W8 modern apps.

    At this point I actually agree with people who said Windows 8 is a confusing product. it really is. I still use Windows 8 (with start button replacement that also erased charms bar) and not Windows 7 because of faster boot time but i dont see any advantage other than that. I expect a lot from Windows 10 for desktop mode improvement tbh.
    Their is no reason they couldn;t have improved desktop productivity and left alone all the good things that Win 8.1 did on Tablets. It's almost like they messed up tablet mode just to spite people that liked Win 8.1 on their tablets.

    Desktop mode = Win 10
    Tablet Mode = Win 8.1 Gui with new features and some improvements.

    Done
    Last edited by a5cent; 06-06-2015 at 11:51 AM. Reason: removed profanity to avoid infracting
    06-05-2015 10:15 AM
  5. AndyCalling's Avatar
    Their is no reason they couldn;t have improved desktop productivity and left alone all the good things that Win 8.1 did on Tablets. It's almost like they ****ed up tablet mode just to spite people that liked Win 8.1 on their tablets.

    Desktop mode = Win 10
    Tablet Mode = Win 8.1 Gui with new features and some improvements.

    Done
    Absolutely. I can see no compelling reason, when all my devices are touch enabled (including my Logitech T650 equipped desktop PC), to move from a fantastic touch OS like Win8 to a reduced touch experience in W10. Nothing but a backwards step for me. Well, not quite, my legacy non-touch netbook might benefit. Oh, wait, I use that to run WMC through to my TV. So, not even an upgrade for Win7 on my netbook? I'm really struggling to see the point of W10 on anything other than legacy non-touch desktops and laptops.
    MicrosoftWinPho likes this.
    06-05-2015 12:35 PM
  6. DMelan's Avatar
    Regarding the charms bar, I'm not sad to see it go away. It gets in the way, it inflates the prominence of operations that just aren't that important, and it fails to provide the immediacy of a "swipe and you're there" experience.

    First of all, when I see the charms bar it is usually an accident. For every time I intentionally pull it up, there are at least 10 times it shows up when I didn't want it.

    Next, there's the choice of what actually goes on the charm bar. To do anything useful through the charms bar I almost always have to dig. Meanwhile, there are options like "share" that I have never used, not once, ever. What does "share" even mean in most apps? Thing is, I don't think there are a lot of good choices for what should be on a global menu. And that, I think, is a big part of why the charms bar isn't such a great idea after all. Most operations don't apply to a majority of contexts, unless they are so generic that you have to dig to narrow it down to what you're really after. It really doesn't merit being a top-level UI element of every single app.

    I realize that apps can customize what is on the charms bar, but I'm not sure I've ever seen a well done example that justifies the charms bar's existence.
    k72 and xsikal like this.
    06-05-2015 05:21 PM
  7. MicrosoftWinPho's Avatar
    Same here. I loved the charms bar and it's a reason why I hate Windows 10 too.
    06-05-2015 06:44 PM
  8. MicrosoftWinPho's Avatar
    I agree with most points. All in all, 10 is much worse than 8 is and I'm using it on a desktop PC. I much prefer the 8.1 experience over 10 even with tablet mode enabled. I'm skipping out on 10 and sticking with 8.1 until they get tablet mode right.
    AndyCalling likes this.
    06-05-2015 06:46 PM
  9. anon(5383410)'s Avatar
    cool story bro
    Blu3V3nom07 and xsikal like this.
    06-05-2015 07:08 PM
  10. anon(5335899)'s Avatar
    Never cared much for the start menu and have not had any problems with the start screen in Windows 8. Now, for desktop I find that the 'hybrid' that Microsoft designed works just fine either way. For tablets I still feel that the WIN8.1 Start Screen is better but it's gone so there's really no point in rehashing that much.

    Those who are b*tchin' over Media Center should really ask themselves what advantages they would gain if they would be running WIN10 with MC .. Frankly, I don't see much, if any so what's the beef here? Your Windows 7 or 8.1 Media Center install will be good for at least another 5 years so what's your point really? You are not really a Windows user, you are a Media Center user.
    06-05-2015 10:17 PM
  11. Deihmos1's Avatar
    unfortunately desktop users are the mainstream users. i used to love charms bar too on W8 tablet until i realize tablet for productivity is nowhere near the same level of real laptop. With real laptop, i quickly install start menu replacement as it's quite pointless to get modern apps in desktop mode. All the entertainment you can get in modern apps you can also get them in desktop mode. I used to defend W8 but in the end productivity is what matter the most (and all W8 modern apps are pointless for productivity). even if you love entertainment, games on steam are far better than casual games in W8 modern apps.

    At this point I actually agree with people who said Windows 8 is a confusing product. it really is. I still use Windows 8 (with start button replacement that also erased charms bar) and not Windows 7 because of faster boot time but i dont see any advantage other than that. I expect a lot from Windows 10 for desktop mode improvement tbh.


    I wonder if everyone was aware that the charm bar could have been disabled. Microsoft should have left some of things disabled and less desktop users would complain.
    06-05-2015 11:06 PM
  12. laracroftonline's Avatar
    If you HATE Windows 10 then DONT use it. Use the hashtag on twitter #SayNoToWindows10

    I am because of the lack of Windows Media Center....
    Use Kodi it's almost the same and has more modding options!
    06-06-2015 08:09 AM
  13. DavidinCT's Avatar
    Use Kodi it's almost the same and has more modding options!
    Not even close if you use cablecards and have DRM protected content.
    06-06-2015 09:27 AM
  14. hlov's Avatar
    Totally agree with OP, for people use a tablet like a PC such as Surface pro 3, 10 is very bad. 8.1 is great for touch and having all the gestures and metro IE is a blessing unfortunately they got rid of all of those nice features in order to get people to upgrade from 7 to 10, I wont upgrade any of my tablets to 10
    06-06-2015 10:37 AM
  15. fdruid's Avatar
    I liked the Charms bar and I'm gonna miss it. It didn0t bother me either in desktop, to be honest.

    OP should wait till release at least to complain, IMHO. Besides, if there ever was a Windows version coming from user opinions and full of compromise, this is it. But haters gonna hate.
    06-06-2015 11:01 AM
  16. hiya15's Avatar
    Never used WMC but i have a question, wouldnt it be possible to get an app ,from store, that works like WMC ? Maybe MS has something up its sleeve for this issue.
    06-06-2015 11:24 AM
  17. Deihmos1's Avatar
    Store apps do not have those capabilities and Microsoft has been done with WMC since windows 7 launched. That was a long time ago.

    Microsoft isn't going to make much UI changes before launch. I think if windows 8. 1 was released instead of 8 there wouldn't have been that much hate. I think win 8.1 is excellent on both desktop and tablets but win 8 was not good on desktops. Now win 10 is good on desktop but terrible on tablets. I just don't understand what those guys at Redmond are doing.
    920Walker likes this.
    06-06-2015 11:30 AM
  18. Brandon Tobias's Avatar
    User name/picture? I don't understand why that is there at all. Do you find yourself forgetting who you are and what you look like?
    Because you assume only one person uses a PC and its also a quick link to switch users / lock the PC and access account settings ... not to remind people who they are or to see yourself.

    that comment you posted was irrelevant. If you worked in I.T where multiple users use the same PC little things like that help especially where users are not so tech savvy. start screen should keep power controls and user name / pic always visible .... just like in windows XP to 7 it was on the start menu.
    06-06-2015 01:33 PM
  19. Brandon Tobias's Avatar
    While Windows 10 has its issues i see the potential for MS to create a good OS
    1) Touch and Desktop UI can be done in one OS just not how MS has it currently the difference / change between tablet and desktop mode should be more than what it currently is.
    I agree with some things OP posted like notification panel is to big it should have been a nice tidy pop up
    charms in on the fence i hated it as a desktop user but on a touch pc it made sense but in windows 10 how they changed the apps model / search a bit it may or may not have made sense.
    tablet experience im also on the fence with as i think MS backtracked too much to please Desktop users so i agree with OP and also disagree.

    2) the UI needs to be seamless why does explorer still look like Windows XX before 10 it should be fully modern looking but retain the same functionality. This also goes for icons, prompt windows, windows mobility center, device manger etc im sure MS can make everything cohesive
    3) Bugs lots of bugs is a main problem as well as drivers ... MS needs to fix that before launch

    What we should be glad about is it's not vista .. MS talked about alot of features coming to windows 10 but at least they paced themselves and focused on the core set and will add the others later in updates i assume is 10.X updates.

    This speaks volumes at least to me in the sense that issues we are having now can be fixed i.e UI, inconsistent touch modes issues, Start menu, etc and new features can be added along with improvements to apps ...

    People hate Windows 10 for some valid reasons that may be fixed or not other hate it for things like Windows Media Center really in a world of smart tv's / xbox and PS WMC really??. i stopped using that years ago there are apps / alternatives.

    Windows is going to change things will be lost things added .. get over it MS is not building an OS for you alone there are other people in the world smh this thread is getting useless if you don't like windows 10 stay on 8 simple i have friends complain bout windows 8 they stayed on 7 some moved to 8 and liked it when they understood it.

    If you love windows and want it to improve MS gave us a way to do so bear in mind I.T personnel , government agencies, PC/tablet manufactureres and businesses have alot to do with how windows changes for so that of the average user more money passes into MS that way
    rebinoh, Harrie-S and SonOfDad like this.
    06-06-2015 01:46 PM
  20. rebinoh's Avatar
    I'm reserving my dislike or love for the OS on July 29 when I upgrade. I've read all the reviews and comments -- and personally not everyone is going to love it.

    I purposely didn't install the TP because I didn't want it to cloud my judgment one way or the other on the final release. There were things added, things taken away and it may be like that in the Final iteration, but as all critical thinkers know, things will and do often change.

    If MM says he hates it, then that is his opinion. But for the most part, I like what I see in the all of the TP articles on Windows Central. But not having first hand knowledge of how things work because I haven't used it at all could also be detrimental. I'll have to wait and see. . . as will everyone else.
    06-06-2015 02:13 PM
  21. Krystianpants's Avatar
    They should have a quiz based on the disclaimer information in order to be able to join the insider program.
    06-06-2015 03:22 PM
  22. Garry Williams1's Avatar
    He's a retard what do you expect, moron don't know the difference between a preview OS and a real OS!
    06-06-2015 06:00 PM
  23. iamakii's Avatar
    Hate an unfinished product? K.
    06-06-2015 06:29 PM
  24. SonOfDad's Avatar
    This thread is almost a month old and Win10 is still the same fractured OS it was then. Some of the main problems

    The UI is cobbled together, at the core it's the Chicago interface which began in Windows 95 flattened out, it has elements from Windows Vista notably the Ribbon, the back again start menu is an evolution of the dual pane introduced in Windows XP and with Metro/Modern tiles included (really this is just to make it look like a shrunk down start screen which you can choose to thow back to full screen as "tablet friendly"), finally the UI controls are thrown in as Modern/Metro look but all appear smaller and less spaced and really aren't as touch friendly.
    What they really should have done is bring in more functionality to the Windows 8 interface and allow it to run windowed (which Stardock already offered) rather than the poor attempt at craming touch apps into the 20 year old interface. Example

    The UI is damned bland! The greatest example of this is the new browser they could have code named it "10 shades of grey". It's just completely boring to look at. As usual the Windows team need to catch some inspiration from the Office team which is where all the talent seems to go, and snap some colours in, I'm not simply referring to title bars and task bar. Here's a more uniform approach that's less dreary.

    The desktop presents three different icon types, wireframe, Modern/Metro and legacy (desktop). Atleast the color backgrounds of the Modern icons bring in some badly needed color! They also made some damn strange simple changes like why the hell are avatars circular when other UI elements (notably tiles) are square? When the login screen, the first interaction the user has looks out of place it's a problem.

    For those saying "IT'S NOT EVEN IN BETA YET" I'm sorry but WAKE UP! It should be obvious the Alpha, Beta, RC1/2, RTM approach is out the window given MS have opened evaluation up to anyone interested. They are 50 days out from the final product, you're not going to be seeing any mind blowing UI changes unless all the senior designers are due back from a six month vacation!

    While Windows 10 will be a success for MS (in the same fashion Apple spin every product release as their best ever) due to the free dump to every legit user. It's also going to be a gold mine for mobile PC techs who are scraping it off home users PC's and for companies like Stardock and Yamicsoft (Windows x Manager) who will no doubt find ways of making it a far more usable and interesting OS. Maybe in 12 months time the problems will be so apparent that a '.1' major update is applied, Just as Windows 8's update addressed desktop problems Windows 10's update will be "damn we dropped the ball on touch interfaces".
    Last edited by SonOfDad; 06-06-2015 at 09:15 PM.
    06-06-2015 08:59 PM
  25. Guytronic's Avatar
    Since there is a similar thread going here:
    http://forums.windowscentral.com/win...ml#post3115479

    I think we can call this one complete.
    Thank you all for your input.

    Closed
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    06-06-2015 11:12 PM
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