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  1. Omar9399's Avatar
    IMO, it is easily justifiable to spend a few hundred dollars on a phone with the specs to be a usable PC.
    Does the phone comes with
    --Intel core i5/i7 5th gen processor
    --512mb flash drive
    --8gb ram
    -- AMD gpus

    No it doesn't so that's the reason why the phone can't replace the desktop/laptop nor you can use it like a desktop.
    Yazen likes this.
    05-22-2015 01:41 AM
  2. Jazmac's Avatar
    Not sure what a mobile-only messaging application has in common with a Windows feature that will allow you to use a mobile version version of Excel on a monitor. The two don't cross paths.

    Very few using social networking on their phones (not Windows phones obviously, with a still buggy Facebook app) will care that your phone can blow up your Powerpoint slides to a TV.
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    05-22-2015 01:43 AM
  3. hotphil's Avatar
    Does the phone comes with
    --Intel core i5/i7 5th gen processor
    --512mb flash drive
    --8gb ram
    -- AMD gpus

    No it doesn't so that's the reason why the phone can't replace the desktop/laptop nor you can use it like a desktop.
    Granted. But a lot of people don't need that kind of desktop
    05-22-2015 01:45 AM
  4. Omar9399's Avatar
    In a couple years phones will be able to do this, too.
    At that time laptop will be even more powerful.
    05-22-2015 01:47 AM
  5. Omar9399's Avatar
    It is preparing us for an ARMless future. Intel is making some pretty decent phone chipsets, these days. I see the Lumia 950 as running Intel. Then continuum becomes an amazing feature, because your PC is your phone. This would Change. My. Life.
    6"PC which needs an external monitor keyboard trackpad tto get the work done.
    05-22-2015 01:49 AM
  6. Yazen's Avatar
    Does the phone comes with
    --Intel core i5/i7 5th gen processor
    --512mb flash drive
    --8gb ram
    -- AMD gpus

    No it doesn't so that's the reason why the phone can't replace the desktop/laptop nor you can use it like a desktop.
    Desktop computing != Mobile computing
    That said, I'd go for this config first before buying a Continuum enabled device lol

    Edit: Wish I waited for Fiji. Ended up getting a 970 .. If only AMD had more efficient offerings
    05-22-2015 01:58 AM
  7. hotphil's Avatar
    If MS only projects the phone UI to a monitor then yeah. But if MS makes its the UI more PC-like when it is plugged into a monitor/keyboard I will be all over it.
    This is the whole concept - universal apps adjust to their amended screensize. Things get resized for the change in pane size in the same app.
    You just carry right on working.
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    05-22-2015 02:05 AM
  8. Omar9399's Avatar
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    Wait a second what did you say
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    05-22-2015 02:08 AM
  9. Omar9399's Avatar
    Just docking your phone and having that outlook /excel/word experience where you can actually get some real WORK done without having to reach for your entire .
    What if I told you there are thousands of apps that are beyond office apps which average people use in there daily life.
    05-22-2015 02:17 AM
  10. Kristijan87's Avatar
    Back in the days of my childhood, probably inspired by Star Trek, I dreamt of having a small portable device which would be a gateway to anything I wanted to do with it. Hook it up to this or that, carry all my stuff with me on that little piece of hardware, turning every screen into "MY" computer.

    Well, cloud has effectively replaced the need to have a large storage, but Continuum looks promising. As someone already said it here, soon (how soon remains to be seen) devices will be powerful enough yet tiny enough to carry around. Imagine just having a large screen (and periphery) at work desk, at home or at your friend's home and all you have to do is plug in your tiny powerful device. Presto! Your entire work and life there, with you.

    And of course, this device would be self-sufficient, it could be used as a today's smartphone but it could easily be turned into gaming rig, work computer, whatever you want... Because you rarely use your phone AND your PC at the same time (save for when the phone rings ;D) or your PC at home and at work.

    So having one strong tiny device which is the brain, and various "outlets" for that brain would be great! Instead of having multiple user accounts on PC you would have multiple USERS with their accounts sitting on their respective strong tiny devices in their pockets.

    Anyway, that was just my vision of things here, and Continuum could prove to be just that, but just not yet, because the hardware is not powerful enough to replace the strongest of consumer PCs. Not to mention the incredible stress of wear and tear... Soon (tm).
    920Walker likes this.
    05-22-2015 04:37 AM
  11. Axmantim's Avatar
    You don't think that the ability to carry a thin client in your pocket is revolutionary? My company has 4000 employees, all of us can be anywhere in the country at any time, the ability to sit down and have our PC ready for us at any time to do simple work would be huge.
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    05-22-2015 08:14 AM
  12. Axmantim's Avatar
    Does the phone comes with
    --Intel core i5/i7 5th gen processor
    --512mb flash drive
    --8gb ram
    -- AMD gpus

    No it doesn't so that's the reason why the phone can't replace the desktop/laptop nor you can use it like a desktop.
    You have no clue what you're talking about. You just described an entry level gaming PC. The majority of PC's do not need that kind of horsepower to perform their duties.
    05-22-2015 08:17 AM
  13. Ten Four's Avatar
    My company has 4000 employees, all of us can be anywhere in the country at any time,
    Like most things, I suppose it depends. Let's say there might be some security concerns around your business data. Not sure your IT and security people would want people carrying around devices that are easily stolen or lost that could potentially be gateways into the entire network. Sure, there are passwords and security keys and such, but how about armed robbery? Ignoring that problem, it seems like you still need the PC gear (monitor, keyboards, mouse, cables, mess) to plug into, so it's not like you're going to not need the big equipment too. I can see it being useful in a company like mine where we float around the building during the day and need to move laptops all the time to where we are located, but it really isn't that difficult. With Continuum we would need to have more PC gear because instead of carrying the laptops around we'll need computer gear in every room for every person in the meeting! Not practical.
    05-22-2015 08:24 AM
  14. Raj Poladia's Avatar
    Does the phone comes with
    --Intel core i5/i7 5th gen processor
    --512mb flash drive
    --8gb ram
    -- AMD gpus

    No it doesn't so that's the reason why the phone can't replace the desktop/laptop nor you can use it like a desktop.
    The main use of continuum will be for corporates who use flagships which has 3-4GB of RAM now-a-days and the processors are quiet powerfull and power efficient and GPUs are also strong, so why can't continuum work on phones? If its the feature of no use for you then its not necessary thay no one will use it or need it....
    05-22-2015 08:26 AM
  15. pericle's Avatar
    You don't think that the ability to carry a thin client in your pocket is revolutionary? My company has 4000 employees, all of us can be anywhere in the country at any time, the ability to sit down and have our PC ready for us at any time to do simple work would be huge.
    It seems you have not heard of something called a laptop, what exactly is the advantage of continuum when you still need to carry a display and a keyboard with you?
    05-22-2015 08:36 AM
  16. Don Geronimo's Avatar
    It seems you have not heard of something called a laptop, what exactly is the advantage of continuum when you still need to carry a display and a keyboard with you?
    Not even touching any of the other capabilities that Continuum can bring that I brought up earlier: Because the price of a phone + the price of a laptop + accessories > the price of a phone + laptop/ultrabook-style dock.

    Not to mention, with wireless displays using Miracast and the Bluetooth HID support in phones, the continuum experience could be entirely tether-free. Thus, if you need a laptop for your workflow but don't need the functionality beyond what Continuum can provide (UWP Apps displayed with its desktop functionality), yes, you'd still be carrying something that looks like a laptop. However, it could be cheaper, it could be lighter, that shell could hold a large battery (if it was a tether solution) since, and your data would be in one device instead of 2.

    As for the people who slam its future because it's only for Office: all UWP Apps, using the same code, that can run on both PCs and Mobile, will present the full desktop UX of that app when run in continuum.
    Last edited by Don Geronimo; 05-22-2015 at 09:00 AM.
    05-22-2015 08:47 AM
  17. Ten Four's Avatar
    Thinking about this a bit more, I wonder if it actually will have greater consumer appeal than enterprise appeal. Carry your main computing device around with you all day and then go home and plug it into your big monitor and keyboard. For work I think most of us need full keyboards most of the time--it's why tablets are fading. I have yet to even see a tablet being used seriously in my digital company, and our product doesn't work on a tablet. We get maybe one or two questions a month about tablets, but there really isn't interest in business for touch or tablet use. Everyone already has a computer or laptop with keyboard, mouse, screen or screens--they don't want to have to purchase new equipment to be able to plug in phones. There will be some huge hurdles before many enterprises will find it appealing.
    05-22-2015 09:00 AM
  18. fatclue_98's Avatar
    It seems you have not heard of something called a laptop, what exactly is the advantage of continuum when you still need to carry a display and a keyboard with you?
    I think you missed the point. The idea is that you don't have to carry these items with you. Think of your phone as a big jump drive that you take with you to meetings or presentations and plug in to the equipment at your destination. The idea is to do the "heavy lifting" on a workstation and not a small phone screen. Even with the wide display on the Passport, Excel work is really not fun on a phone. With all the advancements in mobile technology, processors have been geared for battery life and not for performance, so graphic-intensive chores like AutoCAD have taken a serious backseat on phones and tablets. Once again, I think Continuum is not going to be a very practical application for the average consumer but it will be a huge boon to Road Warriors like me.
    920Walker likes this.
    05-22-2015 10:25 AM
  19. Omar9399's Avatar
    The idea is that you don't have to carry these items with you. Think of your phone as a big jump drive that you take with you to meetings or presentations and plug in to the equipment at your destination.
    there is a term called "cloud" which people are using as what you described.
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    05-22-2015 11:20 AM
  20. Omar9399's Avatar
    You have no clue what you're talking about. You just described an entry level gaming PC. The majority of PC's do not need that kind of horsepower to perform their duties.
    exactly my point the phone can't reach the capabilities of the entry level computers, and the thing is average user doesn't mean to use only office apps.
    05-22-2015 11:24 AM
  21. KhawarNadeem's Avatar
    For all people:
    • Futurist thinking, to be sure, but just imagine stateless machines in the cloud (like Azure, EC2, etc.) that take input from a device running Continuum, will process it with the power provided by a datacenter of machines, and return the data to the device. Assuming a good Internet connection, even computationally expensive tasks can be performed on a Phone, and properly developed apps (like proper uses of Asynchronous Programming) would still feel smooth, despite all the number crunching being offloaded to a separate cloud SaaS/PaaS. Kinda like what the Xbox One can do (Forza, for example, with their Drivatars).
    This is something similar we do at our university. Write the code, upload it, and at the back end we have big computers like mainframe who perform the simulation and return us the results. If mobile devices become capable of this it would be truly revolutionary!
    05-22-2015 11:25 AM
  22. AndyCalling's Avatar
    Continuum is supposed to make things easier on a convertible like my Yoga 2, but personally I like to control things myself as I find my brain is better at making such decisions than Windows is.
    05-22-2015 11:29 AM
  23. fatclue_98's Avatar
    there is a term called "cloud" which people are using as what you described.
    Cool it on the snide remarks, they're unwelcome on this forum. Second, cloud storage is just that, storage. It's not an app hosting service where you can work on projects that run on workstations.
    Jazmac and 920Walker like this.
    05-22-2015 11:37 AM
  24. dashrendar's Avatar
    Imagine this....

    You wake up in the morning, and you check your phone and you find an e-mail from work that you need to address. You have a laptop that consists of nothing but a keyboard, touch pad, screen and power supply. You wirelessly dock the phone that's in your pocket to this device and suddenly the same apps that are on your phone are available in front of you on a larger screen. The app UI is different on the laptop because of the available real estate. As you finish addressing the work task, a pop-up reminds you that you need to take your car to the mechanic.

    You shut down your laptop and grab your tablet, which consists of nothing but a touchscreen, a Windows and back buttons, and maybe a couple of ports here and there. You reach the mechanic and as you expected you have to wait a couple of hours for your car to get fixed up. You wirelessly dock your phone to this tablet and fire up Poki and start catching up on your missed articles.

    The two hours turn into four. You head home and you're tired. You decide you want to play a game on your TV. You wirelessly dock your phone that's in your pocket to your Windows 10-friendly TV and suddenly your UI changes to accommodate the large Plasma screen. You play your game for an hour or so.

    It's getting late, you exit the game and shut off. You hit the sack, but before you do that, you set the alarm to wake up to another beautiful morning of Continuum heaven.

    The "wirelessly" part I made up, but I don't see why docking must translate to a physical wired action.
    05-22-2015 12:09 PM
  25. Don Geronimo's Avatar
    Aside from the numbers game and the metaphorical ePeen comparisons, I agree that the majority of users don't need the kind of horsepower of an entry-level gaming PC, or an entry-level PC, for that matter.

    Of course Continuum won't work when you need that kind of horsepower; that's not what it's for. However, I think it can accomplish the majority of the tasks that people need on a day-to-day basis. For a lot of people now, the power included in a smart phone, especially in the Windows Phone ecosystem where we can get quite a bit of performance on not-as-high-end-hardware, is enough to accomplish the majority of their tasks.
    05-22-2015 12:17 PM
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