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  1. ivor1024's Avatar
    wow you really don't get it do you? I don't know is it because microsoft is looking ahead or because you are stuck so far behind. This is just a begining of something great and the potential is huge expecially in business area. Right now this is just modified winRT version but this will change once they put intel soc inside our lumias. More gpu power, more ram and storage now when 3D stacked memory is finaly here and things are gonna get sweet pertty fast. Connect your phone to any screen/TV and you have a full blown windows 10 out of your pocket. You don't need a keyboard and mouse because you can use trackpad and keyboard integrated into system or you can hook them both to use a desktop version on the big screen while your phone OS works independently.

    I couldn't care less if someone find it less interesting then me but I would pretty much benefit from this feature...literally carrying a PC in my pocket

    and talking about ubuntu...where is it now lol
    Last edited by ivor1024; 05-23-2015 at 02:26 PM.
    05-23-2015 02:01 PM
  2. Yazen's Avatar
    Ubuntu has this feature way back so this is not new and nor its discovered by Microsoft.
    Different implementation, Different Philosophies. Maybe on the face of it (client perspective) what you say is true. Then again, Continuum is technically a game changer at a client perspective :)
    05-23-2015 02:09 PM
  3. Yazen's Avatar
    The thing is if I have to carry only 1520 to get the camera job done it was acceptable, but instead of just carrying the 1520 if I MUST have to carry 18-36mm lens + tripod +external Flash that would be a problem.
    that is what exactly how continuum is.
    Pretty much. How many people use Office Macros? How many people require VB scripts? Need is a relative word.
    Can't even say Continuum will change the way people work, as that's exactly what it tries not to do haha...

    Like many things, Continuum is what we make of it. Not trying to argue with you, against Continuum :/
    05-23-2015 02:25 PM
  4. Spectrum90's Avatar
    You don't need a keyboard and mouse because you can use trackpad and keyboard integrated into system or you can hook them both to use a desktop version on the big screen while your phone OS works independently.
    Using the phone as a keyboard and touchpad would produce an awful PC experience.
    The idea of carrying a PC in your pocket is misleading. A PC requires a big screen, a keyboard, a pointing device and PC apps. You don't have any of that in your pocket. Microsoft can't simulate that kind of hardware with software and continuum doesn't run x86 software.
    Continuum requires too many conditions to provide only a compromised PC experience, that makes it impractical in most situations and irrelevant for most people.


    and talking about ubuntu...where is it now lol
    Canonical said they're releasing their phone/PC in a few months. They want to beat Microsoft at being the first.
    05-23-2015 02:39 PM
  5. sweatshopking's Avatar
    That's actually largely what I assume is going to happen. Qqing about phones operating systems is silly when it only matters for a short time
    05-23-2015 03:46 PM
  6. Ten Four's Avatar
    To get a big PC or full laptop experience you still need a full-sized keyboard, at least a trackpad but probably a mouse, and a big monitor. If you have all that stuff available the chances are very good that you will also have a laptop or PC available in that same space--might as well use the much more powerful, more rugged, and cheaper system. Even a crummy PC or laptop is far more powerful than a great phone, But, even if the phone was uber powerful, you still need the keyboard, mouse, and monitor--just no getting around that for most work-related things. For road warriors it would be a pain to carry all that crap, so they carry laptops, and know that sometimes they can plug into a nice big monitor, keyboard, and regular mouse where they are going but they can't count on it. There are some physical limitations we just can't get around--it's why I think smart watches are doomed. The screens are either too small to use or too big to want to wear. It's either one or the other.
    05-23-2015 04:10 PM
  7. ReprobusR's Avatar
    I hope someone makes an alternative app for those who won't be user the newer Microsoft Phone for this one feature, because I may not use it all the time, but there are times when I may be near a desktop and to hook up my phone and access my phone like a desktop would be great, so much flexibility.

    Good to hear we will be able to use Android apps with Windows 10, I look forward to that as well.
    05-23-2015 05:57 PM
  8. Michael Bennink's Avatar
    You dont have to carry that. You'll have a monitor, mouse and keyboard waiting on your desk thats syncs over bluetooth with your phone as soon as you'll enter your home or office. On the road your phone will suffice :)
    920Walker likes this.
    05-23-2015 06:09 PM
  9. hotphil's Avatar
    I hope someone makes an alternative app for those who won't be user the newer Microsoft Phone for this one feature, because I may not use it all the time, but there are times when I may be near a desktop and to hook up my phone and access my phone like a desktop would be great, so much flexibility.
    It'll be hard to make an app that replaces hardware (with acceptable performance). There's other ways of doing similar things, but not at the same performance level.
    Good to hear we will be able to use Android apps with Windows 10, I look forward to that as well.
    Windows 10 Mobile won't be able to use Android apps, it will be able to use ports of Android apps. The difference being that the developers still need to (want to) port them over to the Microsoft way.
    TheCudder likes this.
    05-23-2015 06:48 PM
  10. ivor1024's Avatar
    Using the phone as a keyboard and touchpad would produce an awful PC experience.
    The idea of carrying a PC in your pocket is misleading. A PC requires a big screen, a keyboard, a pointing device and PC apps. You don't have any of that in your pocket. Microsoft can't simulate that kind of hardware with software and continuum doesn't run x86 software.
    Continuum requires too many conditions to provide only a compromised PC experience, that makes it impractical in most situations and irrelevant for most people.
    Using phone as keyboard and touchpad would definitely be more than enough in necessary situation and obviously you won't use it as your main accessory..

    I don't know where did you find these requirements for a PC but you couldn't be more wrong. Times are changing and so is the idea of a PC. The only requirements are the tasks it can carry out in a users hands.

    It's like you didn't even understand what I wrote before. I was refering to a devices that are about to come. There is intel atom soc series based on x86-64 instruction set already capable of running full desktop windows 10 with both x64 and x86 apps. So merging windows phone with windows desktop using continuum on a same device powerd by future and more powerfull intel atom soc would make a pretty nice combination. This is the pocket PC I was talking about, a hardware available in a few years from now...basically all you'll need is a big screen to hook it up and you are ready to go. If you add keyboard and mouse, you have all you need

    At some point this is going to happend but you can't see it because of your limited knowledge and lack of imagination
    05-23-2015 09:31 PM
  11. hotphil's Avatar
    The idea of carrying a PC in your pocket is misleading. A PC requires a big screen, a keyboard, a pointing device and PC apps. You don't have any of that in your pocket. Microsoft can't simulate that kind of hardware with software and continuum doesn't run x86 software.
    Continuum requires too many conditions to provide only a compromised PC experience, that makes it impractical in most situations and irrelevant for most people.
    I'm sure VMware, Citrix, Microsoft and other vendors of VDI, remote desktops/thin (or zero) clients would disagree.
    There's always going to be a niche for big horsepower on a few desks. But that number of desks is getting smaller.
    05-24-2015 12:41 AM
  12. Mark Wright1's Avatar
    I could see a family using it....
    if they have a PC everyone uses then you could use the larger palette with you phone and not have to
    login /switch users to save stuff to onedrive. meh its just another option which is good to have and it does things the other phones cannot.
    05-24-2015 03:02 AM
  13. mandong's Avatar
    My three children only use the PC when they need to use MS Office to do homework otherwise they're just on their phones reading manga, using Skype with friends, listening to Spotify, watching YouTube.

    With Continuum I don't have to buy them separate PCs and phones next time.
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    05-24-2015 05:00 AM
  14. hiya15's Avatar
    If MS integrates hololens in continnum , working on your phones, PCs, or XBOX will be at completely different level.
    I guess i've taken it too far , haven't I ?
    Harrie-S and 920Walker like this.
    05-24-2015 05:08 AM
  15. Nuno Moz's Avatar
    This is the funniest thing I ever saw. What's the point of carrying a laptop sized monitor and keyboard and connect your phone just yo use office apps?
    Absolutely agree! If this is what people it will fail. But this is not what I see as what they should be targeting at all.

    So I agree and disagree that will not a game changer. I mean it can be a game changer if the following comes out soon IMHO ...

    The problem of the above is because it does not make anything better. Your phone needs to be docked so while in operation the phone is lost. And as per picture shown the over all thing looks as thin and light as a Surface 3 or MacBook, yet under performing even further. It's silly.

    But what if we did not need to dock the phone? Yes, if the all thing could be done wirelessly? Yes, I mean a wireless display, touch and pen enabled, retina level quality, with the phone pushing the visual elements to the display wirelessly at 60fps? Couldn't the display be extremely thin, thinner then an iPad Air. Imagine a display as thin or thinner then a Surface 3 type cover?

    Speculate on what this combination can do for consumers. People buy larger phones because they want similar tablet experience for it so they are ready to bite the bullet and put up with the nuisance of having a bulkier unit on the hand all the time. That is for them better then having a smaller phone and still have another device as bulkier then the phone, that costs de same or more, erodes the same performance wise, furthermore it cannot make phone calls (now it can when iPad is paired with the iPhone but ir does not solve the other issues). This can potentially solve all these usability problems.

    The reason why phones come up with multiple forms and sizes is precisely to accommodate this duality between a tablet and a phone.

    Now with something like this, the consumer could go out., buy a phone, say the size of a Lumia 930 (awesome) and buy a separate display with this features. There could even be different display sizes (7", 9", 12"). The displays could have different coating, say more rugged for people that use ther pen or read books a lot, or shiny for people that prefer a cinematic experience.

    Think, this is a display that is as thin as a Type Cover. If I want a more performing phone, say that take better shots, just buy one, the display is reusable (no connectors, nothing apart for the thing needed to charge the display).

    I'm speculating that such thing could be built considering such a display would not require a regular CPU, GPU, RAM or DISK. The entire back of the display could be filled with a battery and a special low energy processor that takes care of sending and receiving ui elements elements and input action back and fourth to the Windows 10 Phone.

    I see this as disruptive thing of how smartphones are perceived. It does not take hold of the phone has on dock is required, it complements it. It improves it into a Tablet that students for instance can use to take notes in a lecture, business people for meetings, regular people for reading and so on.

    Yes, one could still buy a Type Cover for task that need it.

    Keeping on the speculation about the possibilities of this why stop here? We are thinking Continuum across all Windows 10 devices right?

    So what if such a display could not only be paired with a Windows 10 Phone but also the same display device, literally, could be paired with our Windows 10 desktop or laptop?

    I have a Surface Pro 3, I love it, yet the more I use it the more the more I understand its limitations. It's the same problem has docking the phone to have continuum, When I turn to use it as a regular laptop I loose some of benefits of having a tablet. For one, I can no longer take notes with pen over something that I'm seeing. I also have the docking station. When docked, that it, the tablet is gone most of the day. Yes I could buy another tablet, but cloud sync can only do so much for an experience and back to the usual difficulties of upgrading multiple devices and so on and so forth.

    This would be the solution.

    Keeping on the speculation why not thinking about pairing this with XBOX One? Couldn't new games be built, like Wii U stuff and so on?

    So what is the problem? The problem seams to be that the wireless display tech needs to evolve faster. The company that stands to gain the most of this at the moment is Microsoft with its Windows 10 OS. It's not Apple, it's not Google, it's not Samsung, LG, HTC and so on. It's MS. So it's MS that should drive this tech into the future by coming up with the technical solution for building such as display, period.

    All efforts such as Continuum for phones that require docking phones or hybrids for optimum performance will always pale. There is a physical disconnect that needs to be technically solved. Devices are extremely important, devices are important for software, they are! If not, how else the iPhone could have disrupted the market so much? It makes no sense building a vision, a marketing spiel, that diminishes its importance, it's not what we see, it's not what humans experience, it's a flawed abstraction. Yes, build once, run everywhere is something important for developer, it can potentially reduce development costs, yet everywhere but where? That is the question that needs answered.
    05-24-2015 05:29 AM
  16. Harrie-S's Avatar
    If MS integrates hololens in continnum , working on your phones, PCs, or XBOX will be at completely different level.
    I guess i've taken it too far , haven't I ?
    Maybe, but that would be nice (for the future) and with hololens you do not need a screen.
    05-24-2015 05:43 AM
  17. crimsonvspurple's Avatar
    --who gonna use their mobile device to connect to external monitor+ keyboard+ mouse
    just to use the app in big screen.
    -- whats is the practical use of continuum? every one has laptop/desktop/tablets/2in1.
    lol. Do you live in your own bubble reality or forgot that there is a huge world outside of that?

    Most people in the world don't even have computer and you are saying everyone has laptop/desktop etc along with their phone. rofl.
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    05-24-2015 06:08 AM
  18. hiya15's Avatar
    Maybe, but that would be nice (for the future) and with hololens you do not need a screen.
    Yeah, but hololens is more portable, you can actually project your connected devices anywhere, inbuilt battery is huge plus .
    05-24-2015 06:35 AM
  19. Krystianpants's Avatar
    To get a big PC or full laptop experience you still need a full-sized keyboard, at least a trackpad but probably a mouse, and a big monitor. If you have all that stuff available the chances are very good that you will also have a laptop or PC available in that same space--might as well use the much more powerful, more rugged, and cheaper system. Even a crummy PC or laptop is far more powerful than a great phone, But, even if the phone was uber powerful, you still need the keyboard, mouse, and monitor--just no getting around that for most work-related things. For road warriors it would be a pain to carry all that crap, so they carry laptops, and know that sometimes they can plug into a nice big monitor, keyboard, and regular mouse where they are going but they can't count on it. There are some physical limitations we just can't get around--it's why I think smart watches are doomed. The screens are either too small to use or too big to want to wear. It's either one or the other.
    Actually it's been known for a while that Microsoft will be using x86 chips in future hardware. They have been partnered with Intel on developing a reliable chip. Honestly, most people do most of their internet on the phone. I know a lot of younger girls that do everything on the phone. I've always seen the future heading towards this sort of world where the phone is your only gadget and it acts as your central computing device, even for gaming. The solution to all the hardcore video cards that require size could be a simple docking station with GPU extension. It's the equivalent of my PC which runs on the intel graphics subsystem and switches to my nvidia card when I play games. I think the problem is a lot of gamers find it hard to believe that you can put so much power into a small area. Remember the first computers were pretty huge taking up rooms. I doubt anyone would think we would have thin phones with way more power.

    Even nvidia is focusing on getting small chips that are super powerful. This is the future and they know it. A central device that does everything from paying for your purchases, playing video games, using it as I.D. and even streaming movies to your tv.

    There's also the fact that Microsoft wants Windows 10 running in small appliances too. If you have other systems in the house with processors you could theoretically borrow processing power from nearby devices. There's a lot of ways things can go, but mobile is huge and this is why Microsoft will not give up on it. It is the future, in a decade you likely won't see many pc's at all.

    Future consoles could be extensions of your phone. All it has is a powerful GPU and the phone slides into it. There's a lot that can happen.
    05-24-2015 08:06 AM
  20. denzilla's Avatar
    I think it would be awesome if every place you went (Hotels, restaurants, etc) had docks that you could just plug your phone in and have a trusted, functional PC right in front of you. Hardware is there technologically, we just need the infrastructure in place to make it reality.
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    05-24-2015 09:19 AM
  21. Christian Del Rosario's Avatar
    if continuum works well with microusb to vga/hdmi adapter, then my students would be blown up when they see desktop interface when i connect my phone to the projector.

    same with my boss when i project research presentations on our office screen, versus his iphone6.
    05-24-2015 09:42 AM
  22. sweatshopking's Avatar
    Thank you. I was losing faith in the ability of fan boys to completely disregard reality. You've restored it for me.
    05-24-2015 10:08 AM
  23. Ten Four's Avatar
    I know a lot of younger girls that do everything on the phone. I've always seen the future heading towards this sort of world where the phone is your only gadget and it acts as your central computing device, even for gaming.
    True for consumers, and I'm thinking that's the best market for this at this time. Walk into any business anywhere in the world and you will find multiple PCs or laptops being used to get work done. Same at any college. You simply need the keyboard and bigger screen to be able to work. The gear is already there and in use. Why switch to docking a phone that will always be less powerful and more hassle than using the PC that is already there? And what if you need to talk to someone on the phone while you are manipulating what is on the monitor? Yes, there will be some business people that can benefit, but the workhorses of most business (and college) will continue to be laptops and PCs because you need the keyboard, mouse, and monitor, and if you have all that stuff available you might as well plug in a small PC and have a better, more durable computer than any phone. Anyone who has tried to work for long without the full-sized versions of these things knows the limitations of physical size.

    By the way, before any business is going to rely on phones for important computing power the durability and battery life of phones will need large improvements. "Oops, dropped my phone in the toilet. There goes the presentation and all the spreadsheets I worked on all night that I didn't dare upload to the cloud because the security on the hotel wifi is so sketchy."
    05-24-2015 11:06 AM
  24. Christopher Kendalls's Avatar
    I would. But only if I can do everything wirelessly. Consider that my machine is an old Vista from 2007, and I do not want to upgrade my PC. Only thing my PC has that my phone doesn't is that it is 1 GB of RAM, as opposed to 512 MB of RAM on my phone, and it has a 300 GB hard drive, as opposed to my phone handling a maximum of 128 GB That's about it.

    At some point, your new phone is going to become more powerful than your old PC. The only true advantages are that PCs still have more RAM, and they have more storage, but we may not need more than 2 GB of RAM in the future, and with a good data connection the limitations of SD storage are more of an inconvenience than anything.

    On the other hand there will always be more powerful PCs, for those that need them, but that doesn't necessarily mean I want to carry them everywhere.
    05-24-2015 11:46 AM
  25. Christopher Kendalls's Avatar
    I think Continuum is going to be for modern apps only, not for executable. I could be wrong though.
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    05-24-2015 12:21 PM
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