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  1. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    LG G3 has a great camera. The LG G4 is even better. Let's not think great cameras are only on Lumias. I'm still waiting for Canon or Nikon to get in on the action on day. That would be interesting...

    The Icon/L930 was 2014.

    We have to wait to see what the flagships will bring. If there will be a replacement for the 1020 etc...
    The Lumia 930/icon were released in 2014, yes but the camera is the same exact camera found in my 1520 which is a 2013 device.

    I am sure there good cameras on android and I have experience with the iPhone to speak highly of it but the only camera to come close to matching Lumia cameras for me with little to no compromise are Sony. Which is exactly what the tech professional always note. Lumia windows phones are noted for their spectacular cameras within the low end, mid range and premium categories which few android OEMs can compete with presently :)
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    05-28-2015 10:51 AM
  2. hiya15's Avatar
    Superboy Micah - you said you enjoyed windows , so i think either you dont have problems with it even regarding ecosystem , hardware,or anything else or you simply ignored all or few of the flaws (just like i did). Most of my friends have android with nexus dominating those numbers and two of them carry iphone 5s , i am the only one with L1520 and they spent their first encounter with my phone telling me what it doesnt do and what it does. I silently analyzed what they said and realized that none of the flaws they pointed out was important to me, and i guess i am one of the few lucky ones who didnt have any touch issues either.

    About apps , if you miss them then either wait for them to be ported to win or to be improved if they arent good or you may switch to ios or android anytime, market is full of them. But if you really enjoy your phone you dont need to bother about what people say .
    05-28-2015 11:22 AM
  3. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    Superboy Micah - you said you enjoyed windows , so i think either you dont have problems with it even regarding ecosystem , hardware,or anything else or you simply ignored all or few of the flaws (just like i did). Most of my friends have android with nexus dominating those numbers and two of them carry iphone 5s , i am the only one with L1520 and they spent their first encounter with my phone telling me what it doesnt do and what it does. I silently analyzed what they said and realized that none of the flaws they pointed out was important to me, and i guess i am one of the few lucky ones who didnt have any touch issues either.

    About apps , if you miss them then either wait for them to be ported to win or to be improved if they arent good or you may switch to ios or android anytime, market is full of them. But if you really enjoy your phone you dont need to bother about what people say .
    That's an accurate assessment :) I do actively enjoy windows phone and what not for what it is and isn't. Though i also find myself getting bored at times with it as well. But looking at the other oses, I really can't see myself actually using android. IOS is a possibility but just 8 months ago I had the chance to get a 6 plus, got it and winded up returning it. It wasn't bad. Just wasn't windows.

    Of course the worse thing about windows 10 is not so much the OS for phones and desktop but the mentality Microsoft has now that in my opinion stripped the OS or most of its unique selling points.
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    05-28-2015 11:36 AM
  4. b0blight's Avatar
    This is just my two cents, so I may be wrong overall, or correct. So for the record, I use a Lumia 1020 as my main device. I also have a Nexus 7 tablet which I use just as frequently as my phone. I have no iOS device yet (i'm still a student ! money dont come easily). But anyway, yes. I have tried out the MS service on both my tablet and my secondary 920 running Windows 10. So yeah. My thoughts ? They are all equally great in their own ways, and there's no one is better than the other (okay, maybe there is, but I still don't know). But my point is, if you look at the bigger picture of what MS is doing by releasing Office for android and whatnot, you will start to notice that, they are not 100% forcing you to buy their product (note: not 100%) in order to enjoy the best of their service. So even if you use and android phone, and you use their product, you are still under them. Look at the even bigger picture, they kind of realized that they can't force people to buy their product, because not many will want to due to social norms, but if they were to still use their service, they would still be using MS product in a way, and if its good, they would want to use more, hence the relatively good performance of the MS apps on other platform. If you saw the news the past few days, you see Windows 10 will work perfectly with any android or ios device, and they would get you MS apps. What's more, if you observe MS, you can see that they are living up to their new mantra of a mobile first, cloud first company, and they are going back to their roots of making software, good software for everyone. Their new bottom line is, even if you use another platform, we dont care. As long as you use our services, we still love you. But hey, I can be totally wrong in what I say here, because this is just what i think.

    As for OP original post, I asked myself the same question "Why should I still use a Lumia" quite a bit too. I was very tempted to get a Z3, but as I decided not too, as the situation now is still too early to judge/jump ship. I would be waiting for IFA this year, and I shall see what they bring to the table. I may either get the phablet lumia flagship, or the Xperia Z5, but time will tell.
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    05-28-2015 11:51 AM
  5. bo_woods's Avatar
    We can pretend that Lumias have the best camera, however that simply is not true ;)
    Apple and Samsung really are pushing the boundaries of their sensors.
    I'm calling it - the age of Nokia imaging supremacy is over

    Microsoft still has a small lead in the optics, however Samsung is ahead in software processing.

    If not imaging, price? Certainly seems like there are plenty of budget options... idk anymore, kind of feel like there should have been a true L920 successor by now.
    The last Lumia flagship came out a year ago. Of course The competition is gonna keep running and pass us sooner or later. Whether or not the Microsoft Flagship and Microsoft Flagship XL will get back up, run faster, and take the lead again... Who knows?
    05-28-2015 02:00 PM
  6. bo_woods's Avatar
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    05-28-2015 02:03 PM
  7. Pavstar619's Avatar
    I did make them laugh when I mentioned "I still have the best camera."

    Of course given how Lumia camera is apparently going to all Windows devices, it wouldn't surprise me to see lumia camera for android lmao.
    Nah Lumia Camera's got nothin to do with Carl Zeiss Awesomeness

    You got a point but if a iPhones user "only" uses Microsoft products and W10 gets better apps why should you pay the premium for a IPhone?
    Never Used an iPhone. Never will. Too freaking expensive. If I was gonna buy another phone it would be Android>WindowsPhone>Blackberry>WebOS>MeeGo>BADA>iPhone lol

    You're implying the app situation is definitely going to get better. IPhone already has the apps now it has Microsoft products. Most people would choose the established os and not the work in progress.
    Agreed. Although seriously I still think Microsoft is set for WORLD DOMINATION but that's just my opinion. (Windows Apps on Android & iOS & Windows Mobile!!!!)

    Based on the last 4 years, history agrees with me.
    Agreed.

    We can pretend that Lumias have the best camera, however that simply is not true ;)
    Apple and Samsung really are pushing the boundaries of their sensors.
    I'm calling it - the age of Nokia imaging supremacy is over
    Microsoft still has a small lead in the optics, however Samsung is ahead in software processing.
    If not imaging, price? Certainly seems like there are plenty of budget options... idk anymore, kind of feel like there should have been a true L920 successor by now.
    I can't seem to load the article's website at the moment lol. Anyway Carl Zeiss still beats other phones. I got my "Poor Man's Phablet" L640XL to back up my statement. And yeah, there's still camera comparisons for S6 VS L640XL to check out if you've already started to google it and NO it doesn't beat it cause its 1/3 of the price or somethin like that
    05-28-2015 02:50 PM
  8. bo_woods's Avatar
    What I wanna know is why Nokias android phone got a cool name like "Nokia X" while windows phone over here is getting 1520, 925,625,546,826,825,5284,82&3837369448(393838,etc
    05-28-2015 08:12 PM
  9. Yazen's Avatar
    I bank with chase. When I was with android on a note 2 I had the app crash on me enough that I began using the web portal instead. When I moved to WP I simply turned the webportal home page to a tile and it was basicly like having a simple app. I never used the Chase app when it was on the store, I do not miss it now, and I will likely ignore the universal app that is in the pipeline.

    My point? Web portals exist, and work fine. Use them....really. OH YEA...The lamination on the Android side I've been hearing lately is how many companies are turning their apps into fronts for web portals. Go figure.
    Web portals do exist. The functionality to deposit checks without their mobile apps doesn't ;)))
    05-28-2015 09:51 PM
  10. Yazen's Avatar
    There's no need to pretend :) They do <3
    it's why even the low end Lumias and mid-range devices are still outperforming other competing products within their price points as well.

    Having used a Galaxy S6, there really is nothing impressive about its software although for once, using a Samsung phone doesn't feel like cheap crap to me, so theres an improvement. Only took them 6 generations to make quality hardware.

    It's a bit premature for us to say whether the reign is over because Microsoft has yet to release anything to compete. A lumia 830 and a Lumia 640 XL are the best cameras they've released so far for lumia products. When they have flagships out then we can safely say.

    And i'd hope that Samsung/Apple and others would have been able to close the gap in imaging...the last Lumia flagship came out in 2013(the Icon/930 are newer I think, but they still have the same camera as the 1520 which is 2013).
    Their best image processing exists on the Nokia 808, which went under development in 2008. Their switch to Qualcomm has done them no favors...
    05-28-2015 09:54 PM
  11. Yazen's Avatar
    But that is called competition and that is good for consumers. Why you think Samsung and Apple improve there camera"s.
    So you even could state that Samsung and Apple users have to "thank" Nokia for the improved cameras they can use.
    (And who know maybe they need to use Microsoft patents to use some of the improvements)
    Which brings us back to the question -- Why should anyone buy a Lumia?
    05-28-2015 09:55 PM
  12. Yazen's Avatar
    There's no need to pretend :) They do <3
    it's why even the low end Lumias and mid-range devices are still outperforming other competing products within their price points as well.

    Having used a Galaxy S6, there really is nothing impressive about its software although for once, using a Samsung phone doesn't feel like cheap crap to me, so theres an improvement. Only took them 6 generations to make quality hardware.

    It's a bit premature for us to say whether the reign is over because Microsoft has yet to release anything to compete. A lumia 830 and a Lumia 640 XL are the best cameras they've released so far for lumia products. When they have flagships out then we can safely say.

    And i'd hope that Samsung/Apple and others would have been able to close the gap in imaging...the last Lumia flagship came out in 2013(the Icon/930 are newer I think, but they still have the same camera as the 1520 which is 2013).
    You honestly can say there is nothing "special" about their software processing? They are years ahead of Nokia/Microsoft :/
    If the best Lumia had generic elements and a smaller sensor do you honestly think their software processing could match that of Samsung/Apple?

    EDIT: Nokia lost the lead in 2010 when they decided to join the Qualcomm bandwagon. They have been behind for almost 5 years now ;)))

    P.S : Competitive pricing in different markets != Superior Product
    $30 Galaxy Light trashes the Lumia 430.
    05-28-2015 10:01 PM
  13. Yazen's Avatar
    The last Lumia flagship came out a year ago. Of course The competition is gonna keep running and pass us sooner or later. Whether or not the Microsoft Flagship and Microsoft Flagship XL will get back up, run faster, and take the lead again... Who knows?
    Nokia 808 began development in 2008. N808 was and remains the height of their technological advances in imaging processing. **** hit the fan when they did a 180 with Windows Phone OS.

    They have been behind for several years now.
    05-28-2015 10:06 PM
  14. Yazen's Avatar
    Nah Lumia Camera's got nothin to do with Carl Zeiss Awesomeness



    Never Used an iPhone. Never will. Too freaking expensive. If I was gonna buy another phone it would be Android>WindowsPhone>Blackberry>WebOS>MeeGo>BADA>iPhone lol



    Agreed. Although seriously I still think Microsoft is set for WORLD DOMINATION but that's just my opinion. (Windows Apps on Android & iOS & Windows Mobile!!!!)



    Agreed.



    I can't seem to load the article's website at the moment lol. Anyway Carl Zeiss still beats other phones. I got my "Poor Man's Phablet" L640XL to back up my statement. And yeah, there's still camera comparisons for S6 VS L640XL to check out if you've already started to google it and NO it doesn't beat it cause its 1/3 of the price or somethin like that
    I did say that Microsoft had advantages in optics didn't I? It's nice that Microsoft is pushing "budget" phones with great cameras, however it does not change the fact that they are behind in imaging as a whole.
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    05-28-2015 10:20 PM
  15. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    You honestly can say there is nothing "special" about their software processing? They are years ahead of Nokia/Microsoft :/
    If the best Lumia had generic elements and a smaller sensor do you honestly think their software processing could match that of Samsung/Apple?

    EDIT: Nokia lost the lead in 2010 when they decided to join the Qualcomm bandwagon. They have been behind for almost 5 years now ;)))

    P.S : Competitive pricing in different markets != Superior Product
    $30 Galaxy Light trashes the Lumia 430.
    I can because it is my opinion. And it differs from yours. Also lets keep it realistic.

    A Samsung galaxy light is $149.99 its only $30 after rebates. It's also not in the same category as a Lumia 435....a 2 megapixel fix focused camera.

    Lets compare it to competing products such as the Lumia 635, Lumia 530, etc and you may have a point there.
    05-28-2015 10:25 PM
  16. Harrie-S's Avatar
    Which brings us back to the question -- Why should anyone buy a Lumia?
    But what kind a (unanswerable) question is that, if I follow up your question then there only can be one phone?
    Because even if there where only 2 phones you could ask the same question why A (and not B)
    Or why have football teams fans, there is only one the "best" so why support a team which even does not make it to the top 10??
    05-29-2015 12:37 AM
  17. Spectrum90's Avatar
    Which brings us back to the question -- Why should anyone buy a Lumia?
    A similar question is: Why not?
    There are hundreds of million of people that don't need many apps. Besides, the app situation is expected to improve with the support for iOS and Android apps.
    Microsoft also has a cost advantage compared to OEMs, they can subsidize the hardware with service revenue.
    05-29-2015 01:04 AM
  18. ScrubbyXD's Avatar
    Web portals do exist. The functionality to deposit checks without their mobile apps doesn't ;)))
    I do that AT the bank or the banks ATM. You could say I'm old school or it could be that Chase banks are everywhere and I'm not lazy.
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    05-29-2015 02:32 AM
  19. Yazen's Avatar
    A similar question is: Why not?
    There are hundreds of million of people that don't need many apps. Besides, the app situation is expected to improve with the support for iOS and Android apps.
    Microsoft also has a cost advantage compared to OEMs, they can subsidize the hardware with service revenue.
    How do you entice users to switch to a less mature OS with an even less mature App Store? Cost of the phone? That works for people who do not need many apps.

    Wouldn't you agree that if Windows Phones had killer features they would be adopted faster? Cutting the cost in certain markets is not enough.
    05-29-2015 06:09 AM
  20. Yazen's Avatar
    But what kind a (unanswerable) question is that, if I follow up your question then there only can be one phone?
    Because even if there where only 2 phones you could ask the same question why A (and not B)
    Or why have football teams fans, there is only one the "best" so why support a team which even does not make it to the top 10??
    I did not think I was unclear...
    If you were one of the majority who owned and liked your android phone, what would entice you to purchase a Windows 10 phone? The bold colors? Live tiles? The relatively stable OS?

    lol smh
    05-29-2015 06:15 AM
  21. Yazen's Avatar
    I can because it is my opinion. And it differs from yours. Also lets keep it realistic.

    A Samsung galaxy light is $149.99 its only $30 after rebates. It's also not in the same category as a Lumia 435....a 2 megapixel fix focused camera.

    Lets compare it to competing products such as the Lumia 635, Lumia 530, etc and you may have a point there.
    It's not an opinion, it is fact. Samsung is several years ahead at software processing. Nokia 808 is still ahead of the Lumia 1520 lol... Not as if Nokia would have or could have done anything differently. They are great

    You are only defending my initial argument, why are you arguing with me :^) Using Galaxy Light as a "comparing" metric.
    Btw Galaxy Light is $30 in my local market, no rebates required.

    For example, I can purchase Lumia 640 XL for $270 from Expansys. For $250 I could go with with an Alcatel Idol 3. Does not have Zeiss optics, however the display and processor are technically superior.
    Hell, at $200 there is the S800 Fire Phone with 1 year Amazon Prime ;)))

    I get that not everyone has the same motivations for purchasing a phone, however it would seem that the Android camp has its perks too.
    05-29-2015 06:28 AM
  22. Yazen's Avatar
    I do that AT the bank or the banks ATM. You could say I'm old school or it could be that Chase banks are everywhere and I'm not lazy.
    Yep, I'm lazy. That must be it right? What makes a smartphone smart XD? I can deposit checks at a local bank or ATM carrying my Palm Treo.
    Not a big fan of walking into my local bank. All the bankers greet me eerily as I walk towards the counter.

    Anyways I am the irrational one here. I am lazy a person however I spend the extra time and drive the extra miles to deposit checks.
    05-29-2015 06:44 AM
  23. Spectrum90's Avatar
    How do you entice users to switch to a less mature OS with an even less mature App Store? Cost of the phone? That works for people who do not need many apps.

    Wouldn't you agree that if Windows Phones had killer features they would be adopted faster? Cutting the cost in certain markets is not enough.
    It would be easier and faster with a killer feature, but It's not a prerequisite. Macs and Chrombooks don't have a killer feature, but they've been growing slowly in the last few years.

    WP won't jump from 2.5% market share to 50% in a year, that's not realistic. If WP survives, growth will be a slow process. Every little increase of the user base will make the platform more attractive to developers and more attractive to the public.
    05-29-2015 08:22 AM
  24. tangledW's Avatar
    Why are you still with Win10/Microsoft?
    (Aka Why I just realized Windows 10 reminds me a lot of Nokia X lol)

    Just a little snippet of a convo I had earlier with my Android and IOS friends about why stay with Windows....
    I actually got asked this question by two good friends of mine. One is an avid iPhone user and the other, poor thing, is an Android user. I've tried to help him but he likes android/google so i'll leave it to prayer for his affliction. Kidding ;)

    Anyway we were at work and discussing things on our breaks about the tech world and my friend, Alex, asked me point blank why I was with Microsoft?

    I said I enjoy Windows a lot.

    To which it opened a lot of debate and we were discussing the 3 companies and then it made me realize....

    How on earth is Microsoft's new ideology really good for the overall Windows 10 ecosystem by giving everything to the competitors? Sometimes even better versions and leaving their own OS/users in the dark/limbo for months at a time.

    Yes it is good that they are more open and I can understand that thought process and I applaud that. But even Google wasn't THIS open in the early days of Android. Google also never(or rarely did so) never released better versions of their own apps on the iPhone and if they did, it wasn't that far off with their own release.

    MY friend brought a good point

    "With all things Microsoft going to everyone....why would I be more inclined to move to Windows 10 if I can pretty much get the same exact thing on my ipad/iPhone with no issue? Sure it may not be 100 percent cohesive but it really is no different than an iPhone user who uses google products. They don't need a cohesive android experience to still experience all google has to offer. I don't need to go Windows anymore to get the best version of office. I technically already have that before you...."

    I really couldn't say anything other than "Well whatever." because he really is right.

    Of course my android friend chimed in

    "At the end of the day, all you really have left are tiles and if I truly wanted that, we've had launchers for years on Android that can fake it enough to be more appealing. That's the beauty of android."

    In reality it almost seems like the new Microsoft is actually further empowering the other OS with more weapons. It's like going to war but giving your competitors your best weapons for it to be used against you.

    I did make them laugh when I mentioned "I still have the best camera."

    Of course given how Lumia camera is apparently going to all Windows devices, it wouldn't surprise me to see lumia camera for android lmao.

    I do wonder if I am being too stubborn and should I really consider an iPhone or an android phone(Sigh) :P
    But listening to the same BS excuses about why everything going to Apple/IOS is good is like listening to the same BS excuses about why Nokia X is a good thing lol.
    Possibly the dumbest thing ever written.
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    05-29-2015 08:28 AM
  25. Don Geronimo's Avatar
    Unlike Google, who is 'sticking' their users to use their hardware by making the best Google experience on Android, Microsoft is trying to 'carrot' their users to use their hardware by offering a great experience (as best as possible) on their services on any device. The hope is the thought that if Microsoft services are so great, it must be great to use them on a Microsoft phone. I don't think that logic is sound yet, but like others I'm waiting and seeing.

    As much as I love my Lumias, the only reason I can give to people to switch, other than for Microsoft services, is regardless of using my 635, 925, or 1520, I'm pretty guaranteed a smooth, consistent, updated, and usable experience despite the cost of the device. I don't feel I have that guarantee on Android from any manufacturer unless I get flagships, or from Apple unless I always get the latest and greatest.
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    05-29-2015 08:55 AM
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