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  1. Mike Santagata's Avatar
    Lets all be honest... Windows 10 is a train wreck, and wasn't ready to be released. Here's my ten reasons why I hate windows 10

    10) it simply feels unfinished... Half the live tiles don't display correctly, the new live tile animations look cheap and outdated, and most things dont work properly, and the live tiles just look incomplete because they're all the same color.

    9) Notification Center- it looks so sloppy. Those toggle switches at the bottom look unfinished, and disorganized. The icons inside the toggle switches are too small,giving the overall interface an unfinished look.

    8) Start Menu- Where to begin... The start menu is worse than ever. Its inconsistent.. Some people report being able to have three groups of live tiles horizontally, most are reporting only two, even when in full screen mode. No shortcut to the desktop either, which makes tablet mode difficult to navigate.

    7) Tablet mode- a good idea with terrible execution. Tablet mode was designed to make the operating system easy to use on touch screen devices. While it helps, its extremely frustrating and seemingly incomplete. Windows that open, such as edge browser dont have minimize or maximize options, and hardly ever display tue close window option. I get this is where task view comes in, but its unnecessary to make things that complicated. Solution? Allow tablet mode to function EXACTLY like the start screen in 8.1... Enables charms bar, swipe up to see all apps, start menu scrolls horizontally.

    6) Desktop mode....why is this even a thing? Creating a shortcut for an app or program to the desktop is extremely difficult, and once done, the icons looks ridiculous, and again, unfinished.

    5) Live Tiles- why on gods green earth are these all the same color except a few Microsoft programs? Even office apps are all displaying under my accent color. My start menu looks boring, and with a dark accent color, it makes the apps look like they're broken, especially with gray or black accent color.

    4) toggle switches- everything in windows 10 is square....except these pill shaped toggle switches. They're ugly, they don't look right, and hardly ever respond.

    3) Round profile picture- again, with everything being squared, why are there round profile pictures? They're so small in most places (start menu and edge browser) that you can hardly even make then out. On top of that, they often appear misplaced.

    2) white backgrounds in all system menus..... Why....

    1) This isn't effective for touch users. For those who like desktop mode, or windows 7 after a few significant bug fixes., but for everyone using touch devices, jts a nightmare.
    k72, JohnStrk, Kram Sacul and 33 others like this.
    07-30-2015 04:28 PM
  2. Byrese's Avatar
    I've played with it a bit now for half a day and I think your over exaggerating a bit. But to each their own. On point 1, I would agree that its more for desktop users then touch. Although think the touch works and looks well too! But this is exactly why they did it. No matter what you feel...8.1 was a disaster for the majority of people. On that point, what did you expect? Just sayin :)
    07-30-2015 05:08 PM
  3. Caleb Tivendale's Avatar
    Lets all be honest... Windows 10 is a train wreck, and wasn't ready to be released. Here's my ten reasons why I hate windows 10
    Train wreck is going a bit far really, from the 24 hours of use I've had it seems to be a good step up from 7 and fixed the things in 8 (like the start menu) that should have been fixed.

    10) it simply feels unfinished... Half the live tiles don't display correctly, the new live tile animations look cheap and outdated, and most things dont work properly, and the live tiles just look incomplete because they're all the same color.
    The colour is based off your theme colour. To change it go to Start -> Settings -> Personalisation -> Colours and turn Automatically pick colour from my background off, then you can chose the colour you want

    9) Notification Center- it looks so sloppy. Those toggle switches at the bottom look unfinished, and disorganized. The icons inside the toggle switches are too small,giving the overall interface an unfinished look.
    You can change the order of the toggles by going to to Start -> Settings -> System -> Notifications and actions. From here you can set the four you want to appear when the toggle menu is collapsed. I agree I would like to be able to turn some off but just keep the menu collapsed for now.

    8) Start Menu- Where to begin... The start menu is worse than ever. Its inconsistent.. Some people report being able to have three groups of live tiles horizontally, most are reporting only two, even when in full screen mode. No shortcut to the desktop either, which makes tablet mode difficult to navigate."some people report..." sounds like you haven't used it. Windows Central has posted a guide on how to remove all the live tiles from your start menu if you want, and if you want like tiles there you aren't limited to three groups (I currently have four groups, in three columns). You can EXPAND the start menu by clicking and dragging the right edge.

    7) Tablet mode- a good idea with terrible execution. Tablet mode was designed to make the operating system easy to use on touch screen devices. While it helps, its extremely frustrating and seemingly incomplete. Windows that open, such as edge browser dont have minimize or maximize options, and hardly ever display tue close window option. I get this is where task view comes in, but its unnecessary to make things that complicated. Solution? Allow tablet mode to function EXACTLY like the start screen in 8.1... Enables charms bar, swipe up to see all apps, start menu scrolls horizontally.
    Slight learning curve I agree, like Edge browser tabs are up the top and you don't need to swipe up from the bottom to show tabs. The thing about table mode is it is meant for tablets (again it sounds like you haven't used it), and why the hell do I need a minimise button on a tablet? If I want to go to another app I swipe from the left (like 8.1) to show all open apps. If I want to use two apps I snap them side by side. If i want to close I hold and swipe down (like 8.1). Oh, and hit the hamburger button to see all apps (better than swipe up because what is on screen is still visible). Also, if you desperately want to see a taskbar in tablet mode (with the open apps and apps you've pinned to the taskbar) then go to Start -> Settings -> System -> Tablet mode and disable "Hide app icons on taskbar in tablet mode".

    6) Desktop mode....why is this even a thing? Creating a shortcut for an app or program to the desktop is extremely difficult, and once done, the icons looks ridiculous, and again, unfinished.
    Not quite sure what you mean by this. If you are using your PC/tablet with a keyboard and mouse use desktop mode. If you aren't then use tablet mode. If in desktop mode you can right click an icon in the app list and pink to start or pin to the taskbar. If you are in tablet mode you can press and drag an icon into the start screen.

    5) Live Tiles- why on gods green earth are these all the same color except a few Microsoft programs? Even office apps are all displaying under my accent color. My start menu looks boring, and with a dark accent color, it makes the apps look like they're broken, especially with gray or black accent color.
    The colour is based off your theme colour. To change it go to Start -> Settings -> Personalisation -> Colours and turn Automatically pick colour from my background off, then you can chose the colour you want

    4) toggle switches- everything in windows 10 is square....except these pill shaped toggle switches. They're ugly, they don't look right, and hardly ever respond.
    Which ones hardly ever respond? They all work for me.

    3) Round profile picture- again, with everything being squared, why are there round profile pictures? They're so small in most places (start menu and edge browser) that you can hardly even make then out. On top of that, they often appear misplaced.
    You might need to up your OCD meds...

    2) white backgrounds in all system menus..... Why....
    I agree with this, I mean who would design a system of providing information where the background is white and all the information is displayed in black. You just never see that in the real world, it's almost like the graphic designers were so lazy they spent their whole work days reading books.

    1) This isn't effective for touch users. For those who like desktop mode, or windows 7 after a few significant bug fixes., but for everyone using touch devices, jts a nightmare.
    I actually think it is a significant improvement over the touch usability of 8.1. Sure there is a bit of a learning curve, but not having that jarring experience of having to run Word on the desktop and then open an app that runs full screen makes using it a whole lot more enjoyable.
    gaumzi, aximtreo, jwinch2 and 63 others like this.
    07-30-2015 08:36 PM
  4. Mike Santagata's Avatar
    Even when I drag my start menu, it only gives me two groups of tiles, not three.
    07-30-2015 10:14 PM
  5. mayconvert's Avatar
    all I got out of that wall of text was WAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH.
    go back to windows xp.
    07-30-2015 10:26 PM
  6. missionsparta's Avatar
    all I got out of that wall of text was WAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH.
    go back to windows xp.
    That was productive. Many of us have an issue with this upgrade....mine is it is like pulling teeth to install. Going back to XP is a ridiculous solution.
    07-30-2015 10:30 PM
  7. mayconvert's Avatar
    That was productive. Many of us have an issue with this upgrade....mine is it is like pulling teeth to install. Going back to XP is a ridiculous solution.
    this isn't a post about having "issues" installing it. its a big whine-fest about nit-picking crap the he read on the interwebs about it.
    he doesn't know anything about it yet but he still "hates" it.
    The guy with all the red replies showed him how to change or fix about half of his whining.

    I don't know why people have such a hard time getting an OS to work. Mine works perfectly, install went perfectly. Have zero issues with it.
    Going back to XP was sarcasm. people hate to embrace the new and figure things out. so they cry instead.
    Makes me wonder what kind of employees these people like this make. most jobs have a motto, Embrace Change.
    07-30-2015 10:36 PM
  8. Kram Sacul's Avatar
    It's a work in progress. It's not finished...

    I'll wait a year for it to get fixed.
    07-30-2015 11:16 PM
  9. Pillplo's Avatar
    switch to a start menu more cumbersome, and ugly menu for windows10.
    hagjohn likes this.
    07-30-2015 11:20 PM
  10. missionsparta's Avatar
    this isn't a post about having "issues" installing it. its a big whine-fest about nit-picking crap the he read on the interwebs about it.
    he doesn't know anything about it yet but he still "hates" it.
    The guy with all the red replies showed him how to change or fix about half of his whining.

    I don't know why people have such a hard time getting an OS to work. Mine works perfectly, install went perfectly. Have zero issues with it.
    Going back to XP was sarcasm. people hate to embrace the new and figure things out. so they cry instead.
    Makes me wonder what kind of employees these people like this make. most jobs have a motto, Embrace Change.
    Zzzzzzzz. I fell asleep on chapter seven.
    stevemind likes this.
    07-31-2015 06:25 AM
  11. Sekyal's Avatar
    I don't get how it is cumbersome since you can adjust how many apps appear on the right, from zero to all. Ugly? Well I guess that is a matter of opinion for sure. This start menu is far superior to Windows 7. Clicking on a letter to jump to a different one greatly speeds up finding a program, or of course you can search for it (yes I know Win 7 has this). Or if you use the tiles you can have some programs readily available with the Win 10 menu. By far the best Start Menu yet for Windows, with Win 10.
    07-31-2015 06:49 AM
  12. Qre8ive's Avatar
    5) Live Tiles- why on gods green earth are these all the same color except a few Microsoft programs? Even office apps are all displaying under my accent color. My start menu looks boring, and with a dark accent color, it makes the apps look like they're broken, especially with gray or black accent color.
    App developers can set a color to this, whoever didn't set it in their app will be turned into the default theme color :).
    07-31-2015 07:10 AM
  13. Mike Santagata's Avatar
    I sm simply used to running 8.1 on my laptop and sp3, windows 10 complicates everything for touch users. I dislike the operating system and shared my reasons why. No need to call it a whine fest or whatever you said.
    07-31-2015 07:31 AM
  14. jwinch2's Avatar
    Lets all be honest... Windows 10 is a train wreck, and wasn't ready to be released. Here's my ten reasons why I hate windows 10
    I am sorry that you are having so many problems, but I don't think the majority are in your boat.
    Poll: How is Windows 10 treating you? | Windows Central

    I would agree that some things feel unfinished, but then MS told us that would be the case. It will be an ongoing project with regular updates. I do agree with you though, that something released to the public should be 100% ready to go. As for the rest, I actually like both the start menu and the notification center. My major issues are with Edge, but even there I like where they are going with it. It just needs some polish. I can't comment on tablet mode as I have not used it yet in that way, but the desktop mode seems to work fine for me.
    Chirag Anand and Al4video like this.
    07-31-2015 08:08 AM
  15. pbike908's Avatar
    Biggest Reason People don't like WIndows 10 -- IT'S NOT Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 meaning IT'S DIFFERENT.

    That said, I was using the preview version for about 6 months -- so I knew it well out of the gate.

    The only glaring problem I had on upgrading 2 machines (it was a little tricky to do the actual update I will give you that) is that it installed the wrong touchpad drivers (they were still functional but wonky) and it was tricky to find better touchpad drivers for both machines.

    For out of the gate, It's pretty impressive. And long term tech writers -- including Apple writers (not fanboys of course) -- have also given it positive reviews!
    Jazmac, neo158, TechFreak1 and 6 others like this.
    07-31-2015 08:29 AM
  16. missionsparta's Avatar
    Biggest Reason People don't like WIndows 10 -- IT'S NOT Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 meaning IT'S DIFFERENT.
    Exactly. So we should cry and scream like the start button people did until they bring it back more suitable for the touch screens they rammed down our throats. This is just one more incident of them selling us stuff and abandoning them right out of the gate.
    Jozef jurcisin likes this.
    07-31-2015 08:54 AM
  17. swanlee's Avatar
    Here is what I despise in Win 10 and why I won't upgrade it on my main tablet. My old Gen one Surface got sacrificed to Win 10 for research and feedback purposes. I've been running Win 10 on it for almost a year and have seen every TP build.

    1. Taskbars in Tablet mode: I'm using a tablet in Tablet mode why is their this desktop taskbar taking up screen space? The taskbar it not touch friendly and a waste of space. Autohide taskbar also removes it from desktop mode and that setting sync's to other pc's which mean Autohide is not a viable option.

    2. No full screen web browsing no Metro IE replacement. Metro IE was by far the best touch web browser ever made. A full browser with full support that provided a full screen web experience that could be navigated through touch. I've tried to recreate that experience in Firefox, Opera, Chrome, Edge and no web browser can duplicate the flow and ease of using Metro IE in a touch screen.

    3. Taskview swipe. I hate the swipe to bring up the taskview. I much preferred swiping to scroll through your open apps like flipping a page of a book. The taskview boxes are random and it disturbs the flow of swiping and requires a second hand to touch the app you want to switch to. Win 8.1 swiping you could flip through apps with your thumb

    4. Pin to start Metro IE tiles get deleted when you upgrade to Win 10. Sorry that I actually used Win 8.1 and enjoyed Metro IE. I used the pin to start option alot on websites, this option also had some of them be actual live tiles. This is different than "favorites" pint to start tiles get deleted when upgrading to Win 10 and their is no way to carry them over or import them.

    These are things that HAVE to be fixed before I will use Win 10 on my main tablet. It is ridiculous how backwards Win 10 went for Tablets.

    Tablet mode could have very easily acted more like Win 8.1 and it would not have effected the newer direction MS is going in and would not have effected Desktop users.
    Last edited by swanlee; 07-31-2015 at 11:22 AM.
    07-31-2015 09:18 AM
  18. swanlee's Avatar
    I've played with it a bit now for half a day and I think your over exaggerating a bit. But to each their own. On point 1, I would agree that its more for desktop users then touch. Although think the touch works and looks well too! But this is exactly why they did it. No matter what you feel...8.1 was a disaster for the majority of people. On that point, what did you expect? Just sayin :)
    Why did they have to nuke all the good things Win 8.1 did well for touch devices just to appease desktop users? Their is now a separate Desktop AND Tablet mode. Making Tablet mode function like Win 8.1 on tablets would have ZERO effect on desktop users. It's like MS screwed up Tablet mode out of spite or something.
    07-31-2015 09:20 AM
  19. Jozef jurcisin's Avatar
    5) Live Tiles- why on gods green earth are these all the same color except a few Microsoft programs? Even office apps are all displaying under my accent color. My start menu looks boring, and with a dark accent color, it makes the apps look like they're broken, especially with gray or black accent color.
    you are 100% correct is look phucking ugly!
    I just can't believe how looks! Is like software from 90s!
    Sorry MS but is not professional!
    07-31-2015 09:49 AM
  20. MikeSo's Avatar
    I have a significant bug related to the touch screen, but other than that the only thing I don't like so far is that the task bar stays visible even when apps are in full screen mode, unless it's set to auto-hide, in which case it also disappears when I'm on the desktop/tablet start menu. They need to fix that, so it disappears when apps are in full screen.
    WIndows 10 is FAR from a "train wreck". That's ridiculous hyperbole.
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    07-31-2015 10:57 AM
  21. Wbutchart1's Avatar
    Sheesh someone missed their morning coffee or has a natural flair for the dramatic....

    Windows 10 works fine for me, sure a few issues but nothing that merits this kind of rather curious form of ranting.
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    07-31-2015 11:05 AM
  22. Mike Santagata's Avatar
    Let me clear things up a bit... I've been using windows 10 preview since build 9926, on my Lenovo laptop, that normally runs 8.1. Since build 9926, I haven't enjoyed windows 10. Granted I didn't blatantly HATE it like I do now. I hate it because they had tine to improve the things us insiders told them needed to be improved, and they didn't listen. I can see windows 10 making sense if it were released PRIOR to windows 8.1. I just don't understand how this operating system will be beneficial on my 12 inch Surface pro 3. On a handheld device that large, gestures work better than clicking tiny little unfinished icons.
    07-31-2015 11:17 AM
  23. Byrese's Avatar
    Let me clear things up a bit... I've been using windows 10 preview since build 9926, on my Lenovo laptop, that normally runs 8.1. Since build 9926, I haven't enjoyed windows 10. Granted I didn't blatantly HATE it like I do now. I hate it because they had tine to improve the things us insiders told them needed to be improved, and they didn't listen. I can see windows 10 making sense if it were released PRIOR to windows 8.1. I just don't understand how this operating system will be beneficial on my 12 inch Surface pro 3. On a handheld device that large, gestures work better than clicking tiny little unfinished icons.
    While I like W10 I will admit that I too am disappointed in the gestures. The gestures, particularly, on the right of the screen were brilliant.
    07-31-2015 11:21 AM
  24. swanlee's Avatar
    Let me clear things up a bit... I've been using windows 10 preview since build 9926, on my Lenovo laptop, that normally runs 8.1. Since build 9926, I haven't enjoyed windows 10. Granted I didn't blatantly HATE it like I do now. I hate it because they had tine to improve the things us insiders told them needed to be improved, and they didn't listen. I can see windows 10 making sense if it were released PRIOR to windows 8.1. I just don't understand how this operating system will be beneficial on my 12 inch Surface pro 3. On a handheld device that large, gestures work better than clicking tiny little unfinished icons.
    Yep I've been an insider since day one of TP and they literally ignored us about Tablet mode. ALOT of us complained and made tons of threads on the insider forums, did alot in the feedback app and even made threads on user voice etc. They had more than enough feedback from us to fix the major Tablet issues during TP.

    Their is ZERO excuse why these items could not have been fixed in TP

    1. Taskbar hide or make it swipeable like charms were in Tablet mode only

    2. Full screen Web browsing similar to Metro IE

    3. Option to enable Swipe through open apps instead of taskview in tablet mode

    These 3 things were brought up a TON during the entire TP and yet MS ignored it. These 3 things could be options users could enable for Tablet Mode. They can leave them off by default is MS wants to but at least give us the option to enable this behavior.
    07-31-2015 11:27 AM
  25. swanlee's Avatar
    While I like W10 I will admit that I too am disappointed in the gestures. The gestures, particularly, on the right of the screen were brilliant.

    Would it kill MS to let us enable these gestures in Tablet mode?
    Kadcidxa and mister2d like this.
    07-31-2015 11:28 AM
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