1. VARUNGUPTA16061992's Avatar
    Just saw article n comment section
    Even when told not to, Windows 10 just can?t stop talking to Microsoft | Ars Technica

    It's all about Win10 privacy. Any info about it? Really a concern for people?
    08-13-2015 09:31 AM
  2. xandros9's Avatar
    I believe those are definitely valid concerns, not something to just poo-poo away as a "mountain from a molehill" situation.
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    08-13-2015 09:52 AM
  3. theefman's Avatar
    Privacy should always be a concern, and just because its Microsoft and the savior Windows 10 doesn't mean they should get a pass. Somehow though, I doubt that's the way it'll be seen here.....
    xandros9 and a5cent like this.
    08-13-2015 09:57 AM
  4. csd_images's Avatar
    If you look around there is a surprising amount of servers collecting data for MS. There's a tool here and if you look at the script it's crazy that we have to go through the hoops to get this to work and even then it's not certain it will stop at as MS has apparently put IP addresses into some of the DLLs.

    https://github.com/10se1ucgo/DisableWinTracking
    How to disable Telemetry and Data Collection in Windows 10

    MS should allow complete and total lockdown of the system especially for those who handle sensitive data. Also they should also be transparent as to what's going on, at the moment they're being rather mum which doesn't help their case.

    Currently I've added those domains to the hosts on my router, that way the OS can't bypass any hosts or other restrictions I've applied to the OS sadly I have too much traffic to determine what the Win 10 host is doing to determine if those measures are actually effective or not.
    xandros9 and theefman like this.
    08-13-2015 10:07 AM
  5. _Emi_'s Avatar
    I have seen this "remove spy blabla" that remove onedrive and xbox apps and stuff like that, now tell me why are you removingthat stuff? just don't use it. everything can be disabled, use a local account and be happy.
    People seem to worry too much about privacy and they don't seem to care when they used google services, facebook, amazon and other services that can get your data, from sensitive data like credit cards to anonymous data that is used for ads.

    People seem to care about privacy so much now with windows 10, but they are on internet writing against Windows 10. I mean, internet is the worst thing if you want privacy. but there are other things that people do and they don't seem to care.
    When they throw garbage to a trashcan, do people think nobody can spy on them only with that? or they are anonymous and nobody can track anything back to you? simple things like that that has existed way before Internet were already "privacy concern" but then they worry about anonymous data send to Microsoft to improve services?
    That doesn't make sense. especially if they use Android, iOS or Windows Phone, and they use google chrome or firefox and surf the web doing anything, and they fill their facebook with their data and friends and relationships and sharing posts from other people, or using twitter or youtube.

    Let's accept it, Microsoft doesn't care about us or what we do, they care about data they can use to improve services from Cortana to Bing to Xbox live to DVR or Apps on store.

    I mean, go to a bank thing cash machine, it has cameras in most places now, or a restaurant or a store, parking places or some traffic light places have it too. do you think that's not privacy concern? anyone could see your face, track where you were at what specific time and day. is it a secret anymore anything you do? you are not exactly anonymous in the videos. but people seem to be happy or not care about it.

    Last time my sister got married, and some days after I went to bing, Here and google maps to find the best way to share where my house is. to my surprise Google Maps had my sister wedding stuff. she got married here, and even the truck bringing the tables and such was on the google map image, that means it was taken on Thursday or Monday morning.
    I can still see the image today, and as you can see, it was easy to track what happened that day on the image.

    Government here uses satellite stuff to see if you have done any recen construction or if you have a pool or something to charge more taxes on you. thanks to all these maps and satellites showing whatever they want. at anytime they want.

    I know this is a long post, but it's just silly the way people act towards Windows 10, when Windows 8, 7 and Vista, and many software you use already send anonymous data.

    Some people complain about it, I know people using 3dsmax legal and illegal, and they probably never disable the send anonymous data option, it's hidden on help menu. but do they think they are safer using Linux, OSX, iOS, Android, or Windows 7, XP or Vista compared to 10? it's not like most software don't send some sort of data already. or when they simply surf the internet as I just mentioned.

    I think it's just paranoid. and I think some people are just dramatic only because EULA says it could happen. but it's as in "it may" not as "it will" what if you use OneDrive, or Cortana? it's obvious you have to use internet for those services and the data you can send will not belong to you anymore.
    Some people complain about Defender sending suspicious files to Microsoft like if it wasn't the way Antivirus worked before.
    People complain about Wifi sense when they don't even understand how it works, and they don't seem to care... they only want to complain even if you explain them as even Daniel Rubino has explained in a video.
    People complain about handwriting samples and such, but then... if it doesn't recognize their handwriting, they would say how useless it is.

    I see many people are closed minded. and don't try to understand these things. it's not the same if you use Edge with a Microsoft account or without it, with synching features on or off. so it's obvious Windows or Microsoft serves MAY send history to Microsoft servers if you have everything on, Microsoft account with synching features. but it's not data that Microsoft will dig with pop corn and laugh about how you searched for Single ladies or how to enlarge your huhu, or if you can use vacuum cleaner in you wawa, or How to kiss or if I will die because I have an ear infection.

    Again if people are that paranoid, they shouldn't do much in this world because anything can be traced back to you. I never understood how companies know the rating of a tv show or how many viewers it has or anything. they do have systems to provide that, and will it send any important data? or you were just a random anonymous point on their systems? yet, people never stopped watching tv.

    Again, a long post. but some people are so paranoid and strange... it's just sad in 2015 they complain about privacy on Windows 10, when even before Internet we had no privacy often. and on Windows 10 you can disable more stuff on it. but sometimes it's pure hypocrisy because some people say "oh I hate Windows 10, it's not made for privacy it steals my credit card number and name and they know everything I am doing and typing" (so much BS) "so I will go back to Windows 7, and google chrome is so fast!" so they use google chrome, and use internet to do whatever they want, but they complain about Windows 10? yeah. not exactly it makes sense. it seems people just want to hate on Windows 10.
    And find the smallest thing to complain about it, to try to make it fail, to spread FUD so people use other things like Linux, like if Linux actually made your life more private and secure.
    When Siri was released or google now, did people bring all this privacy concern to the media? they need feedback too, they need voice samples too, or people think they got better just because Apple and Google used internal people to improve it? but Cortana seems to be evil and bad.

    It just feels dumb, that in 2015 some people keep seeking for privacy. when there was shown there is no privacy anymore unless you hide all your life and never use any new technology anymore.
    Closingracer, M7H and wpn00b like this.
    08-13-2015 11:20 AM
  6. tgp's Avatar
    Privacy should always be a concern, and just because its Microsoft and the savior Windows 10 doesn't mean they should get a pass. Somehow though, I doubt that's the way it'll be seen here.....
    You know the popular saying around here, "If something is free, YOU are the product!"
    sleeve22 likes this.
    08-13-2015 11:42 AM
  7. Bob Mitchell1's Avatar
    People have a right to privacy!!! It is NOT Microsoft's right to invade! Yes, the internet is a joke when it comes to privacy. Microsoft is just treating us like a bunch of dummie,who don't read the small print. Granted a large percentage of most don't. However...another adage..."If it seems too good to be true, it probably is." I rolled back my tablet to 8.1 and cancelled the upgrade on my Windows 7 laptop and two 8.1 desktops. Privacy, yet...but I build my desktops and frankly I know better what 3rd party drivers I need for my computer, more than Microsoft who pushes hardware device drivers on us. So many complaints about people who disable that ability and drivers still get pushed.
    08-13-2015 12:19 PM
  8. csd_images's Avatar
    I have seen this "remove spy blabla" that remove onedrive and xbox apps and stuff like that, now tell me why are you removingthat stuff? just don't use it. everything can be disabled, use a local account and be happy.

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    It just feels dumb, that in 2015 some people keep seeking for privacy. when there was shown there is no privacy anymore unless you hide all your life and never use any new technology anymore.
    Actually I do care about my privacy, this is why I block pretty much all ad servers on the 'Net both on a device and network level, I obfuscate most of my personal data when possible even on Fb and on other sites. I've been doing this for over a decade so it's pretty hard to pin down specifics about me. Very few sites can track what I do, they can infer from what I buy but that's a big difference from actually tracking. I buy fairly eclectic stuff for my business which it even harder to match a pattern to me. Can I be doxxed? Sure, anyone can but at least I can prevent the more obvious tracking.

    The problem is that when you switch stuff off and on a local account it's still communicating with MS servers that's the issue here, if you turned on all of the privacy options and are using a local account why the hell should the OS still communicate with the server?

    I've spent a lot of time educating people about Google's, Facebooks and other companies privacy issues, and I'd be a hypocrite to do any less about MS when it's shown that there is genuine concerns about it's practices.
    VARUNGUPTA16061992 likes this.
    08-13-2015 01:26 PM
  9. Closingracer's Avatar
    People have a right to privacy!!! It is NOT Microsoft's right to invade! Yes, the internet is a joke when it comes to privacy. Microsoft is just treating us like a bunch of dummie,who don't read the small print. Granted a large percentage of most don't. However...another adage..."If it seems too good to be true, it probably is." I rolled back my tablet to 8.1 and cancelled the upgrade on my Windows 7 laptop and two 8.1 desktops. Privacy, yet...but I build my desktops and frankly I know better what 3rd party drivers I need for my computer, more than Microsoft who pushes hardware device drivers on us. So many complaints about people who disable that ability and drivers still get pushed.


    I'll be more worried with Google then with Microsoft in terms of privacy issues.


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    08-13-2015 02:21 PM

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