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09-21-2015 07:34 AM
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  1. Witness's Avatar
    Most of the time when I see/read people raging about something Microsoft did/does, I always assume the rager didn't know any better. This is another one of those cases.
    09-14-2015 03:16 PM
  2. hopmedic's Avatar
    Nothing to see here.
    09-14-2015 07:01 PM
  3. Jazmac's Avatar
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    09-14-2015 07:25 PM
  4. hrudu's Avatar
    OK, its all phreeeeee, its easy and YOU can do it Yeeeaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh.
    09-15-2015 12:05 AM
  5. TechFreak1's Avatar
    Microsoft and Family Safety comply with the Children’s Online Privacy Protection Act (COPPA) regarding online account creation for children under the age of 13. To verify that an adult is giving a child permission to create a new Microsoft account, COPPA requires that a small amount be charged to the adult's credit card. We charge 50 cents for this verification. These charges aren't refundable.
    Am I charged for each child I sign up?
    Yes. A fee is required by COPPA.
    Do other companies charge this fee?
    Yes. A fee is required by COPPA.
    Not really something Microsoft can do about is it?

    Also how do you expect for Parental settings to "follow" a child if it's not tied to an Account?

    A local account is just that, yes you can create a standard account and install parental controls. Heck you can block most things on your router (& specify access times to a particular device) or the easiest via your internet service provider. However obviously none of these method won't "follow" / "roam" to other internet connections that's why a Microsoft Account is required.

    Edit: Should have read through the thread before posting lol.
    09-15-2015 02:22 AM
  6. Krystianpants's Avatar
    All kids know their way around parental controls.
    This is part of the family accounts you can add. If you add a child account you have really fine grained control over in in windows 10. You can even get reports on where they surfed what apps they were using, etc.. No way around that.
    09-15-2015 08:54 AM
  7. Rose640's Avatar
    This is part of the family accounts you can add. If you add a child account you have really fine grained control over in in windows 10. You can even get reports on where they surfed what apps they were using, etc.. No way around that.
    They can make a parent account, how about that? Like i did. Damn few months till i'm 18.
    09-15-2015 01:15 PM
  8. Krystianpants's Avatar
    They can make a parent account, how about that? Like i did. Damn few months till i'm 18.
    Well, no the point is your parents have the main account. And then they give you non-administrative access via a child account. A child account can't make accounts. But honestly, I think it's more for younger kids. There's a lot of predators on the internet going after very young impressionable girls. This is a good way to keep track of those young kids. Your parents shouldn't really care if you're 17 what you do. hehe.
    09-15-2015 01:41 PM
  9. Rose640's Avatar
    Haha, of course they don't, they don't even know about this stuff. But i do get you, it is a very useful thing to have. For example, my younger, much younger sister has an Android device and when i was settig it up for her there was no word about parental control or whatsoever, so i ended up signing her with my Gmail account so i can see what she's doing and stuff. My point is that i cant really understand why is this guy complaining, it's for your kid's safety. I mean, you're lucky enough they haven't figured out the way to 'hack' the system gagaga
    09-15-2015 03:53 PM
  10. hopmedic's Avatar
    Your parents shouldn't really care if you're 17 what you do. hehe.
    Real parents care what you do, whether you're 7, 17, or 47. Whether they can do anything about it or not, that's a different discussion. My kids are 20 and 22, and I care very much what they do. I don't control it, but I care. My son no longer takes orders from me. He gets his orders from the United States Marine Corps.
    09-15-2015 04:31 PM
  11. Rose640's Avatar
    Real parents care what you do, whether you're 7, 17, or 47. Whether they can do anything about it or not, that's a different discussion. My kids are 20 and 22, and I care very much what they do. I don't control it, but I care. My son no longer takes orders from me. He gets his orders from the United States Marine Corps.
    He was obviously reffering to internet browsing, store and stuff. I doubt you'd care which apps your son downloads :d
    09-15-2015 04:36 PM
  12. hopmedic's Avatar
    He was obviously reffering to internet browsing, store and stuff. I doubt you'd care which apps your son downloads :d
    Wrong. I still want my son to live a Godly lifestyle. Marine or not, 20 years old or 50. I want him to make heaven.
    09-15-2015 11:33 PM
  13. AndyCalling's Avatar
    For the purposes of this post, please understand that a "child account" is meant for a child under the age of 13 only. Age 13 and over are not required to have a child account.




    Dude, did you even read the link above from Microsoft's website that explains why? It's the LAW! They cannot allow you to set up a child account without charging you, because the law requires the charge for every child account. This is required of every company, not just Microsoft.

    Children, by law, are not allowed to set up an account. It has to be set up by an adult under the law. The charge is to prove that it is the adult setting up an account for a child and approving the child's account.

    If you want to set up an account for your child on a forum, or on Disney site, or whatever, guess what? The law will require the charge, period. If a company or web site is not charging, then they are breaking the law.

    See the link again: Why does Microsoft charge me when I create an account for my child? - Windows Help

    Just some further food for thought. If you allow an account to be set up for your child or BY your child, you are breaking your law by not properly giving the permission. It has to be set up as a child account under the law (COPPA).

    I once ran a site that allowed child accounts. Back then, we were required to obtain written permission and a signature from the parent. When the law changed to require the charge, we took the site off-line, because we didn't want to deal with it.
    Not a law here in the UK. What Roku do, to test the charge card (odd, but they do it) is to charge one penny to the card then refund it (I know of no other examples of companies doing such tests in the UK). There is no need to keep the money. I wonder why MS do? Also, no charge to set up a child login on Netflix (at least in the UK). MS seem to be making things up as they go along, unless there are special rules for MS.
    09-16-2015 08:32 AM
  14. Rose640's Avatar
    Not a law here in the UK. What Roku do, to test the charge card (odd, but they do it) is to charge one penny to the card then refund it (I know of no other examples of companies doing such tests in the UK). There is no need to keep the money. I wonder why MS do? Also, no charge to set up a child login on Netflix (at least in the UK). MS seem to be making things up as they go along, unless there are special rules for MS.
    Rhapdog was right, it is actually a law, COPPA or something. Just go to any US gaming forum and try to register a new account, you'll se an agreement put in front of you asking you to verify that you are age 13 or more in order to proceed with the registration.
    I know it's a bit awkward, but i hear you, i'm from Europe too (at least the continent), from Bosnia to be more precise, and neither do we have any kind of these laws.
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    09-16-2015 12:05 PM
  15. AndyCalling's Avatar
    Rhapdog was right, it is actually a law, COPPA or something. Just go to any US gaming forum and try to register a new account, you'll se an agreement put in front of you asking you to verify that you are age 13 or more in order to proceed with the registration.
    I know it's a bit awkward, but i hear you, i'm from Europe too (at least the continent), from Bosnia to be more precise, and neither do we have any kind of these laws.
    I can see there is some kind of law applying to US citizens, but not to most people. Also, I don't believe the law requires MS to keep any money, as I demonstrated Roku manage to avoid keeping anything. That law does not explain MS's practice of charging.
    09-17-2015 10:44 AM
  16. rhapdog's Avatar
    Not a law here in the UK. What Roku do, to test the charge card (odd, but they do it) is to charge one penny to the card then refund it (I know of no other examples of companies doing such tests in the UK). There is no need to keep the money. I wonder why MS do? Also, no charge to set up a child login on Netflix (at least in the UK). MS seem to be making things up as they go along, unless there are special rules for MS.
    I can see there is some kind of law applying to US citizens, but not to most people. Also, I don't believe the law requires MS to keep any money, as I demonstrated Roku manage to avoid keeping anything. That law does not explain MS's practice of charging.
    Microsoft is based in the US. They are required to follow US law.

    Additionally, the law specifically covers accounts where records are kept on a server located in the United States. If the user that records are kept on lives in a different country, it doesn't matter. The records are in the US and the company resides in the US, so it falls under US law. If ou don't like it, set up Ubuntu and bye-bye.

    Microsoft also doesn't keep anything. Everything they collect for this fee goes to a special fund for helping missing and exploited children. If you've got a problem with helping children, then you're going to have problems with a lot of people, I imagine.

    You can always do what I do. My children aren't allowed to have their own accounts or email addresses or anything until they are old enough to do so. Problem solved.
    gpobernardo likes this.
    09-17-2015 08:18 PM
  17. DavidinCT's Avatar
    Hmmm.... Windows 10 allowed you to SKIP a Microsoft/Hotmail account on install/Upgrade (I have installed 10 from a upgrade and a formatted drive). You ONLY need a Microsoft account with a CC if you plan on buying apps from the store.

    Newer versions of 8.1 FORCED you to use a Microsoft account (I installed it about 2 weeks ago to a WMC machine and there was NO WAY to by pass it)

    Donation ? Really ? Trust me I am a cheap person (crap I'll admit it), in no place on install of Windows 8.1 or Windows 10, home or Pro, did it ask for a donation of any type. If there was, you would of seen me yelling on here about it, 0.0001 or 0.05....
    jojoe42 likes this.
    09-17-2015 09:00 PM
  18. AndyCalling's Avatar
    Microsoft is based in the US. They are required to follow US law.

    Additionally, the law specifically covers accounts where records are kept on a server located in the United States. If the user that records are kept on lives in a different country, it doesn't matter. The records are in the US and the company resides in the US, so it falls under US law. If ou don't like it, set up Ubuntu and bye-bye.

    Microsoft also doesn't keep anything. Everything they collect for this fee goes to a special fund for helping missing and exploited children. If you've got a problem with helping children, then you're going to have problems with a lot of people, I imagine.

    You can always do what I do. My children aren't allowed to have their own accounts or email addresses or anything until they are old enough to do so. Problem solved.
    I have no problem because I am not a child so no charge for me. I think this is more of a principal thing than a finance thing, but I did mention that before. Personally I think all charities should be banned as they are often nothing but a business with pretty dodgy tactics and a tendency to funnel money into pinstriped pockets and end up taking proportionately more money from the poorer donors than the rich. If it is a worth while cause, it should come from central taxation. Charities are just an excuse for the wealthy and an industry in themselves. Oh, and a nice route to tax breaks for the 'donating' company usually.

    Roku is a US company, as is Netflix, and they don't feel the need to fleece. Clearly this is a special interpretation of the law for MS then?
    09-18-2015 07:01 AM
  19. jojoe42's Avatar
    So, in summary OP do some research before jumping on the forums and complaining. I clearly remember on my upgrade screen I was given the option to continue with my MS account or switch to a local account, of which from there I can create additional accounts under parental controls, as always, in the control panel/settings app. No $0.50 required no matter how scroogey you want to be
    09-18-2015 07:26 AM
  20. Richard Culverhouse's Avatar
    All I missing something? I installed windows 10 on the family pc and set up 3 adult accounts and 2 child accounts. I did not get asked for anything.
    I later added another child account. I am in the UK and have had my Microsoft account for a fair few years now.
    What is this condition for getting charged? Something to do with those fake windows 10 installations...?

    Edit: Typos
    09-18-2015 07:41 AM
  21. hrudu's Avatar
    Microsoft is based in the US. They are required to follow US law.

    Additionally, the law specifically covers accounts where records are kept on a server located in the United States. If the user that records are kept on lives in a different country, it doesn't matter. The records are in the US and the company resides in the US, so it falls under US law. If ou don't like it, set up Ubuntu and bye-bye.

    Microsoft also doesn't keep anything. Everything they collect for this fee goes to a special fund for helping missing and exploited children. If you've got a problem with helping children, then you're going to have problems with a lot of people, I imagine.

    You can always do what I do. My children aren't allowed to have their own accounts or email addresses or anything until they are old enough to do so. Problem solved.
    Wow, this dude is still talking about the 50cents...after almost 1800 posts? LOL

    By submitting your CC# MS will have all info's about the user dude, capisco?

    If MS want to help, just give parents the options! They can do it if they want.

    Again dude, it is not about protection or helping and stop being hypocritical!!!

    Oh, and other parents complain too!
    http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/w...c-bd4500da782e


    BTW, the new thread title sucks!
    09-20-2015 12:41 AM
  22. a5cent's Avatar
    BTW, the new thread title sucks!
    You're welcome. I did my best to retain that property of the original title 😉
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    09-20-2015 06:07 AM
  23. pdaneophyte's Avatar
    And then there is google which skipped this law compliance by not making possible for any child under 13 to make an account. So ALL android phone & gmail users are purportedly over 13 years old. Make that what you will.
    09-20-2015 06:54 AM
  24. Charles Brown8's Avatar
    Lol this will be short... Heck of a thread over 2 quarters u can't buy a pepsi cola or a burger from mcdonalds with. Was your computer donated to you? Crazy...
    09-20-2015 07:23 AM
  25. gwinegarden's Avatar
    People, here, have used up more than 50 cents worth of their time complaining about it.
    gpobernardo, jojoe42 and dbelleman like this.
    09-21-2015 07:34 AM
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