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  1. Dj64Mk7's Avatar
    Hi! I'm new to these forums.

    What is the most unobtrusive antivirus that runs on Windows 10? My dad is insistent that Windows Defender does not do a good job keeping Windows secure. I am new to Windows (I have lots of experience with OS X and the Mac), so I'm not really used to having to run 3rd-party software like that, and I don't feel comfortable downloading a program from a website (because on my Mac I got everything from the App Store) and I worry about the security of that.

    I'm sorry if I'm not being very clear with my questions. If you want me to go into more detail on anything, please ask.
    10-02-2015 05:51 PM
  2. _Emi_'s Avatar
    Windows Defender is enough for most people, how is it not doing a good job keeping windows secure? in fact, few new reports show Windows Defender has improved. as long as you don't download weird files, like day zero stuff, most antivirus will protect you the same.

    but you can try Free:
    Qihoo 360 total security is light because it used the cloud to protect you, but you can use antivir and bitdefender definitions. it has some false positives and such, but it's a really light and good.
    Panda has free cloud antivirus.
    Antivir
    AVG
    Avast
    Comodo
    even Bitdefender has a simple and okay free antivirus, you can't customize much their options but it's okay for some.

    if you want to go and pay:
    Eset antivirus or security suite is light and okay
    Bitdefender
    some people think Kaspersky is one of the best
    Panda

    and many more.
    it's not hard to get a security suite package for Windows, there are many options available. windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/antivirus-partners#AVtabs=win10
    you can check the long list there if you want.

    some offer many ways to keep the system safe but suppress all the notifications, it's called like a "gamer mode". so yes, you can test and try, it depends what you want and what you and your dad feels comfortable with.
    the first you got to do it's to have common sense and then antivirus would not be needed as much as people think.

    Windows is not that insecure and full of virus like Mac and Linux people try to tell you. in fact, it's really secure. and I have had not problem lately about it. Edge or IE and most browsers now have this option to check files when you download and tell you if something is secure or not.

    but I guess you coming from OSX you think Windows is infested and every site is going to infect you, but no, that's not true. Windows is amazing OS and really secure, always making security patches for the best consumer interest and only if you watch really weird adult content sites or you keep downloading strange cracked software, or mailfromSandra.exe (or something)... well you are in trouble, but if you go to official sites, and don't open strange files, you are okay.
    And yes Defender will protect you fine, and it's not annoying since it uses Windows 10 notification system.
    10-02-2015 06:18 PM
  3. Dj64Mk7's Avatar
    Thanks for the detailed reply! I think that I will just go ahead and use Avast to make my Dad happy, but know in my mind that I don't know.
    10-02-2015 08:11 PM
  4. _Emi_'s Avatar
    Thanks for the detailed reply! I think that I will just go ahead and use Avast to make my Dad happy, but know in my mind that I don't know.
    Avast is okay, it is known but I don't know if it's the fastest thing. I recently only used Eset nod32 and 360 total security, some people don't trust it much because it's chinese but it having bitdefender engine, makes it good enough I guess.

    anyway if you want a more technical explanation that what can be a good AV for your dad, you can go to AV-Comparatives Comparatives & Reviews - AV-Comparatives

    and see how well Avast goes against others.
    10-02-2015 10:32 PM
  5. Dj64Mk7's Avatar
    Do you think Windows Defender is enough to keep me safe on my PC? Does Windows have anything similar to OS X's System Integrity Protection?
    10-03-2015 12:13 PM
  6. Siddharth Ramakrishnan's Avatar
    I just bought BitDefender Total Security 2015 for 30USD and upgrade to 2016 for free
    10-03-2015 01:29 PM
  7. DeathMoJo's Avatar
    I been using Panda for a few years and it uses very little system resources and caught a few unauthorized access attempts and files.
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    10-03-2015 01:46 PM
  8. Arizona Willie's Avatar
    I have been using Avast Premier for quite some time and it works great.

    Like the man said, if you stay away from porn and hacker sites you should have no problem.

    Just don't forget to set it to run a scan automatically every so often like on Sunday afternoons when you're likely watching a football game. Or at 2 am if you leave your computer on all night.

    I would also recommend you give Acronis True Image a try for backing up your computer.
    Same advice applies. Set it for automatically backing up your C drive to another drive periodically.
    I have it set to do mine every night at 6 PM and every week on Sunday evening on a DIFFERENT drive.
    I'm fortunate I have several SSD drives and it makes it fast and quiet.

    PS I have no financial interest in either one of these companies --- damn it :(
    10-03-2015 02:34 PM
  9. Joe A's Avatar
    You don't need a 3rd party antivirus, antivirus companies still play the fear card for naive consumers , Microsoft stayed away from building antivirus into Windows because of anti trust issues, now that that's no longer an issue..it's not needed don't waist your money..and your safer with the stronger security built into Windows. I had a Mac and I felt the need to run a 3rd party anti virus because apple doesn't do the type of security work on the Mac that Microsoft does on windows.


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    10-03-2015 02:46 PM
  10. _Emi_'s Avatar
    Do you think Windows Defender is enough to keep me safe on my PC? Does Windows have anything similar to OS X's System Integrity Protection?
    I don't know much about OSX, I read about system integrity protection, but that doesn't sound like the greatest feature. it's taking your freedom as I read it, because even people with Sudo can't have full freedom.

    One thing you have to remember it's that Windows security is not only about anti-virus/malware it also comes with Smart Screen on Edge/IE and Store apps, so if you download something and it's suspicious or reported as dangerous, it will give you the message that it couldn't download it.
    Also there are some places on Windows where you can only modify them by going into adv permission and change the owner, the permissions... you know, they can't be modified but they need a big of extra work.
    some application elements also go to VirtualStore on your local folder on your profile, and that means those apps didn't have admin rights and wanted to write elements to their folders.

    In theory you shouldn't run anything but installs as admin mode, so if a strange program you download asks admin permissions, you should say no. that's the common sense I talked about on my first post. Defender is okay, it misses some important features other antivirus have, but sometimes the other extra features seem to bring high false positive alerts.
    There was a report few days ago that showed Defender getting better on ranking, maybe that's made because of the cloud protection they seem to have added on windows 10.

    You can easily get free and paid antivirus, but few ones seem to add to many things. you could also download sandboxie or BufferZone Pro or something like that, which add extra layer to run programs that are probably suspicious, but you still want to run them but you want to be sure they don't modify anything on windows.
    You could even get Eset AV or security essential and find leaked keys around internet. there are many ways of adding extra protection, I don't use them.

    you could also use Jotti or virustotal if you want to know results on other antivirus. maybe Malwarebytes and check files manually, it's rare to see people using the realtime feature on the pro, people usually use it to check files manually.

    so as you see anything on windows shouldn't be less safe than OSX, of course there are more virus and malware on internet targeted to windows, but in recent years, it has been less of a problem.
    Just never run anything truly suspicious and you will be okay, Defender might catch it anyway.
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    10-03-2015 02:51 PM
  11. Krystianpants's Avatar
    A lot of research has come out that antivirus software is riddled with security risks. I would stick with Windows defender. Windows 10 itself is pretty good about security as well. Just search for yourself about how third party antivirus software is a security risk.

    security-wares-like-kaspersky-av-can-make-you-more-vulnerable-to-attacks/
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    10-03-2015 05:57 PM
  12. triageatdawn's Avatar
    I used to have Comodo Internet Security but I accidentally messed up its uninstaller and couldn't install it again. Worked flawless, had some issues with its firewall once I upgraded to Windows 10 but it got fixed via updates... I've been on BitDefender Free Edition for 2 months now, had no issues with it so far. So I think I'm gonna either reset the OS and go back to Comodo or just purchase the Premium version of BitDefender, it's not expensive at all. Haven't tried out Windows Defender yet, some of my friends are using in combination with Malwarebytes.

    If you're into tweaking and customizing stuff try out Comodo, in case you're looking for something light and simple I'd say go for Windows Defender or BitDefender.
    10-03-2015 05:59 PM
  13. ttsoldier's Avatar
    Please refer to my signature :)
    10-03-2015 06:01 PM
  14. grandmaster1618's Avatar
    Hey no system is safe be it mac or windows pc. A number of security flaws have been found on macs too. I have had a mac and I installed ClamXAV. I switched to windows 2-3 years ago. Now use a surface pro 3 and a desktop PC. I have no antivirus installed on my surface. I have Malwarebytes antimalware software on my pc. If u ask me.. An updated PC with updated defender should be enough if u know what u r doing in the web. There's a store for all modern apps. Try to shift to modern apps.
    And if u still need legacy apps.. Just do your research before installing .exe files. You will not be installing programs daily. So just visit a number of websites and check reviews. Always download from the programs own website never from torrents and mirror sites. I m not saying all torrents have malwares but to be safe u avoid. And if u have another spare PC u can use that as an experimental one to try out software before putting it on your main device.
    My recommendation for u is to avoid as much exe files as you can. That includes antivirus programs as well.
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    10-03-2015 10:39 PM
  15. johnskrilla's Avatar
    Is Norton any good?
    10-03-2015 11:27 PM
  16. Guytronic's Avatar
    Is Norton any good?
    From I remember Norton is pretty intrusive.

    IMO the best options are AVAST and running Malwarebytes free weekly...
    10-03-2015 11:30 PM
  17. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Is Norton any good?
    Norton is very resource intensive and tends to slow down a PC.
    10-04-2015 12:08 AM
  18. drtek's Avatar
    Symantec Endpoint Protection.
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    10-04-2015 12:18 AM
  19. JohnStrk's Avatar
    Eset Nod32! Updated to version 8 before upgrading to Windows 10 and no issues.
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    10-04-2015 12:53 AM
  20. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Eset Nod32! Updated to version 8 before upgrading to Windows 10 and no issues.
    That's what I use.
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    10-04-2015 01:05 AM
  21. Jack Neill's Avatar
    Common Sense. Version 1.0
    10-04-2015 09:15 AM
  22. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    Right quick, here's what I use (together):

    --Malwarebytes: For general malware scans, though the latest version's scan is, like, 90% faster, and it leaves me wondering if it's lost its thorough scanning ability, so I might start looking for a new option.
    --CCleaner: Dumps crap from your registry, browser (when it starts chugging from months of temp files and cache data), and other programs well.
    --Revo Uninstaller: Good for removal of nasty programs and for making sure that when you uninstall a program, it's 100% gone. Some programs will leave registry files and other crap behind, and it can be annoying.
    --Spybot: Kind of hangs around for seniority, but I did have an instance not too long ago where it turned out to be the only thing known to remove a specific browser highjacker from a relative's laptop, so it gets to hang around for a while longer on my PC, just in case.
    --Windows Defender: The first 4 programs, those are used situationally. None are run real-time on my PC (though I think that they can ALL be left running full-time, at least MWB and CCleaner definitely can). Windows Defender's good enough for real-time protection, I guess. At least, it's better than nothing.

    Windows Defender is enough for most people, how is it not doing a good job keeping windows secure?
    You don't need a 3rd party antivirus, antivirus companies still play the fear card for naive consumers
    For the love of whoever has to deal with malware on your PC if you get it, IGNORE THESE PEOPLE. Windows Defender basically exists on everything you buy nowadays. However, as the person who serves as family (and their friends) IT, it is NOT good enough on its own. My mom recently had me do clean-ups on a couple of friends' laptops. One took maybe 5 hours with the aforementioned MWB and Revo to clean up. The other took around 15 hours of repeated scans, as it had upwards of 300 infected files the first time through and more than 200 the second time. It was a hellish nightmare. As I also stated, I had to get a browser highjacker off of my brother-in-law's laptop a while back as well, and Spybot ended up being the only solution to the problem I found.

    There are enough free programs that can do SOMETHING to help you, like the ones I listed. There's no excuse to lazily leave a computer so barren like leaving Windows Defender (which, while it's shown improvement, still hasn't matched the competition) as the only line of defense. Trust me when I say that no one wants to spend 15 hours running virus scans and OS restores on your computer because you thought the built-in stuff (and never actually doing your own maintenance with it) was enough.

    Oh, and since my mom just had this happen and almost had a stroke freaking out (even though it's nothing):

    When those stupid pop-up things come up and say you've got a virus in your browser, THEY'RE NOT REAL. Hers, it brought up a blue screen of death as the scary warning (that only comes up on older versions of Windows when the OS crashes; that it'd appear in a browser is a hilarious giveaway that it's fake), and some audio file on a loop kept telling her she had a virus. When these kinds of things occur, it's pretty simple to stop:

    1. Open Task Manager (Ctrl+Alt+Delete or right-click the Start button)
    2. Find your browser in the Programs tab
    3. End the browser process. (side note: when you're on Firefox or Chrome and ads pop up and slow down your browser, if you don't have AdBlock, you can do something similar in the Processes tab and kill the Adobe Flash process to stop most ads and not harm what you're doing, unless it's YouTube-related)
    4. When you re-open the browser, it'll be gone, but the browser will probably ask you about restoring your last session. Given how that session ended, don't do it. Close the browser normally again, then re-open it. You'll be fine from there.

    Last point: It is at a point where getting a virus isn't a thing to constantly fear. I mean, I run manual scans when I get bored and remember, which might mean several months, but nothing ever comes up in them. Still, make SOME kind of effort to clean things up yourself so they don't spiral out of control. If the browser is consistently running like crap, run CCleaner, clear it out, and put up with retyping passwords to get some speed back. When you find an errant program on the computer, run Revo on it. If you think you have some malware, run Windows Defender AND Malwarebytes manually. If you're like me, and keep Spybot on just in case, take it out for a jog now and then, to see if it picks up any little spyware annoyances that the other programs don't go after. Whatever you get, make an effort and run manual scans on occasion.

    Norton is very resource intensive and tends to slow down a PC.
    Yeah, Comcast gives you Norton free with their Internet service (or, at least, used to). It never seemed to be worth the trouble.
    10-04-2015 09:29 AM
  23. asmac's Avatar
    I've relied on Windows Defender for a few years now for home machines and have never had a problem. Occasionally I run MalwareBytes as it looks for "potentially unwanted software" (PUPs) that cannot be treated as 'viruses' for legal reasons. I've yet to have it find anything and I'm not particularly careful about where I surf and I install lots of stuff.

    I have used Sophos in an enterprise environment and believe the primary (only?) reason to use it or other 3rd party AV systems is because they provide central management of users' AV installations and central reporting.

    If you really want to boost security, get a PC such as an MS Surface or other enterprise-grade machine with a Trusted Platform Module (TPM). Turn on Bitlocker and the TPM will record and monitor a vast pile of parameters and not allow your machine to boot if it has been tampered with. I've run it for years and it just hums away in the background. Regular users would not even know it's there.

    The best thing you can do to boost security (in addition to keeping your machine updated through automated updates) is to set up an admin account that is separate from your normal non-admin user account. Never use the admin account unless you need to do admin tasks. And if you're asked to provide elevated admin credentials to perform a task, think carefully before saying yes. Also be sure to download software from its native site (e.g. download Reader from Adobe.com, not from software.com) and look carefully for installers that ask you to piggyback unwanted crap with the desired installation. Just uncheck the checkbox to avoid the unwanted extras.

    That's my two cents. So far so good.
    Last edited by asmac; 10-04-2015 at 05:27 PM.
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    10-04-2015 02:22 PM
  24. Jazmac's Avatar
    Right quick, here's what I use (together):

    --Malwarebytes: For general malware scans, though the latest version's scan is, like, 90% faster, and it leaves me wondering if it's lost its thorough scanning ability, so I might start looking for a new option.
    --CCleaner: Dumps crap from your registry, browser (when it starts chugging from months of temp files and cache data), and other programs well.
    --Revo Uninstaller: Good for removal of nasty programs and for making sure that when you uninstall a program, it's 100% gone. Some programs will leave registry files and other crap behind, and it can be annoying.
    --Spybot: Kind of hangs around for seniority, but I did have an instance not too long ago where it turned out to be the only thing known to remove a specific browser highjacker from a relative's laptop, so it gets to hang around for a while longer on my PC, just in case.
    --Windows Defender: The first 4 programs, those are used situationally. None are run real-time on my PC (though I think that they can ALL be left running full-time, at least MWB and CCleaner definitely can). Windows Defender's good enough for real-time protection, I guess. At least, it's better than nothing.




    For the love of whoever has to deal with malware on your PC if you get it, IGNORE THESE PEOPLE. Windows Defender basically exists on everything you buy nowadays. However, as the person who serves as family (and their friends) IT, it is NOT good enough on its own. My mom recently had me do clean-ups on a couple of friends' laptops. One took maybe 5 hours with the aforementioned MWB and Revo to clean up. The other took around 15 hours of repeated scans, as it had upwards of 300 infected files the first time through and more than 200 the second time. It was a hellish nightmare. As I also stated, I had to get a browser highjacker off of my brother-in-law's laptop a while back as well, and Spybot ended up being the only solution to the problem I found.

    There are enough free programs that can do SOMETHING to help you, like the ones I listed. There's no excuse to lazily leave a computer so barren like leaving Windows Defender (which, while it's shown improvement, still hasn't matched the competition) as the only line of defense. Trust me when I say that no one wants to spend 15 hours running virus scans and OS restores on your computer because you thought the built-in stuff (and never actually doing your own maintenance with it) was enough.

    Oh, and since my mom just had this happen and almost had a stroke freaking out (even though it's nothing):

    When those stupid pop-up things come up and say you've got a virus in your browser, THEY'RE NOT REAL. Hers, it brought up a blue screen of death as the scary warning (that only comes up on older versions of Windows when the OS crashes; that it'd appear in a browser is a hilarious giveaway that it's fake), and some audio file on a loop kept telling her she had a virus. When these kinds of things occur, it's pretty simple to stop:

    1. Open Task Manager (Ctrl+Alt+Delete or right-click the Start button)
    2. Find your browser in the Programs tab
    3. End the browser process. (side note: when you're on Firefox or Chrome and ads pop up and slow down your browser, if you don't have AdBlock, you can do something similar in the Processes tab and kill the Adobe Flash process to stop most ads and not harm what you're doing, unless it's YouTube-related)
    4. When you re-open the browser, it'll be gone, but the browser will probably ask you about restoring your last session. Given how that session ended, don't do it. Close the browser normally again, then re-open it. You'll be fine from there.

    Last point: It is at a point where getting a virus isn't a thing to constantly fear. I mean, I run manual scans when I get bored and remember, which might mean several months, but nothing ever comes up in them. Still, make SOME kind of effort to clean things up yourself so they don't spiral out of control. If the browser is consistently running like crap, run CCleaner, clear it out, and put up with retyping passwords to get some speed back. When you find an errant program on the computer, run Revo on it. If you think you have some malware, run Windows Defender AND Malwarebytes manually. If you're like me, and keep Spybot on just in case, take it out for a jog now and then, to see if it picks up any little spyware annoyances that the other programs don't go after. Whatever you get, make an effort and run manual scans on occasion.



    Yeah, Comcast gives you Norton free with their Internet service (or, at least, used to). It never seemed to be worth the trouble.
    Question Keith. Your mom's friends running Windows 10 and has a need for this level of support?
    10-04-2015 05:54 PM
  25. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    Question Keith. Your mom's friends running Windows 10 and has a need for this level of support?
    No, that was before W10 launched. I think both were on W7.

    Also, the W10 upgrade process has been a nightmare in my life. I had to fight it on my PC because the update locked up twice on my PC doing a DL. Then, my dad's desktop and brother's laptop had GIGANTIC fits at Windows Update. I actually did a clean W8 (not 8.1) refresh on the laptop, and told my dad he should just save what he most on an external drive and run a fresh W7 install on his desktop. I never got either to W10, as I didn't have the time. I mean, both were so screwed up beyond reason. Of course, that's what being stupid and never updating your PC will get you. Both were throwing some horrid updating errors I couldn't be asked to fix, and as I don't go over to my dad's much, I haven't had a chance to solve the issue again.
    10-04-2015 06:08 PM
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