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  1. Hutzi's Avatar
    I still think Windows mobile (desktop there can't be any doubt) is the FAR superior operating system. For various reasons you all know. Not only is it the CURRENT best OS but also their vision for the FUTURE is superior and best thought out.

    Also one must not forget that 10 mobile is yet another reboot. This time they WILL make it right because they have a master plan (UWP+ WAAS). This time they not only want to create a good and productive mobile OS, they also want to create a robust and future proof infrastructure beneath it. So from now on Windows (mobile) will flourish. This is why the platform will take off now. There are so many people just waiting to ditch their terrible, unreliable and overpowered Android phones and their incredibly boring iOS devices for something more productive and robust.

    Obviously a lot of things are still missing or things are not aligned properly but the core purpose and functions are usable and inconsistencies in the UI are not necessarily realized by the average consumer. Also, THIS is why we have the insider program! WE can shape this OS to a certain extent. This is the point from where everything else builds (pun intended) upon.

    Meanwhile look at iOS users. They tend to be more interesting than Android users because they care a lot and identify with the philosophy of Apple to fullest, even more than some of us do with Windows. If Apple would downgrade iCloud there would be no uprisal or protest. Never. There is always a legit reason for Apple to take decisions. Do NOT question this as a faithful iSheep!

    Well look at Apple's strategy. It is the exact opposite of the ONE Windows pursues. Creating more and more small OS's (latest example TVos) and splitting their eco system into a thousand pieces instead of aligning it. It may have certain advantages in the short term (TVos for example can evolve faster when it is its own OS) but in the long term Windows will take the lead. The UWP is just too tempting for developers. In three years from now the Windows store WILL have the better and more productive apps and Apple's store will still have the newest indie games and lifestyle/trend apps. The average 13 year old will STILL want the newest iPhone. The average over-20-year-old will not. Apple's devices will broaden it's Justin Bieber type of fan base where the age average sits at around 15-16sh. And that's being nice. At some point Apple's operating system WILL have to go universal if they don't want their OSX Store to just sit there and die. IF they DO go down that path, which they will have to also because of more efficient resource management, I would bet on their unified system being more iOS like than OSX like. 80% percent of their revenue comes from the iPhone and in the end OSX is also primarily for internet browsing and media consumption.

    By then though, Windows will have established their Operating System and the eco system around it to the point where it will be impossible to catch up. Big names will be present in the store, the bridges will be used to port existing apps and the go to place for any program will... be the windows store.

    To iPhone users saying their "iOS device just works" personally I would say "Yes. Your iPhone works. As it has always done in its very simplistic pitiful existence. It is essentially an app drawer with a lockscreen on top of it. Congratulations!" A door also "just works". That doesn't mean a portal would be way cooler! ;)
    Last edited by Hutzi; 11-10-2015 at 11:35 AM.
    11-10-2015 05:22 AM
  2. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    You know. I love a thread with sweeping generalisations and not many talking points. It's a lot easier to ignore.
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    11-10-2015 05:43 AM
  3. theefman's Avatar
    Funny, apple users are always called out as sheep yet reading this forum and all the Microsoft defenders its obvious there are just as many here who would qualify for that exact name. Just try and say anything negative about Windows 10 here and watch the Microsoft Defense Force assemble.....

    And if ios is so inferior why is it always being referred to? Closet envy, perhaps? And pro tip OP, W10M is just another app centric OS with a UI that's just as boring to the point Microsoft has deliberately removed all the innovative thinking of WP8 to mimic the android UI. So much better than the competition.....
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    11-10-2015 05:54 AM
  4. Hutzi's Avatar
    You know. I love a thread with sweeping generalisations and not many talking points. It's a lot easier to ignore.
    I'm sorry one only has so much time in a lunch break. But yes, you got the gist of my post. This is a GENERAL opinion. Mainly my focus was on the future and what is yet to come, not really on the state these two (iOS+ WM 10) are in now. This would be unfair. iOS is an established system that has reached a point where small increments and tweaks have taken the place of real innovation (yes, iOS was once a very innovative concept). WM10 on the other hand has a huge road map to follow and REAL innovations (things that have never been done before, not the Apple definition) yet to be implemented. I'm curious, what SPECIFICS would you have rather take about?
    11-10-2015 05:57 AM
  5. Hutzi's Avatar
    Funny, apple users are always called out as sheep yet reading this forum and all the Microsoft defenders its obvious there are just as many here who would qualify for that exact name. Just try and say anything negative about Windows 10 here and watch the Microsoft Defense Force assemble.....

    And if ios is so inferior why is it always being referred to? Closet envy, perhaps? And pro tip OP, W10M is just another app centric OS with a UI that's just as boring to the point Microsoft has deliberately removed all the innovative thinking of WP8 to mimic the android UI. So much better than the competition.....
    Supporters is not the same as sheep. There is a difference between somebody who just blindly follows and someone who criticises (OneDrive decision for example) but also at the same time sees potential in the way things are going. Apple is building upon their EXISTING potential, yes, but they are doing very little apart from that.
    11-10-2015 06:03 AM
  6. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    I'm sorry one only has so much time in a lunch break. But yes, you got the gist of my post. This is a GENERAL opinion. Mainly my focus was on the future and what is yet to come, not really on the state these two (iOS+ WM 10) are in now. This would be unfair. iOS is an established system that has reached a point where small increments and tweaks have taken the place of real innovation (yes, iOS was once a very innovative concept). WM10 on the other hand has a huge road map to follow and REAL innovations (things that have never been done before, not the Apple definition) yet to be implemented. I'm curious, what SPECIFICS would you have rather take about?
    My problem with your OP is that I get you don't have a lot of time but I'd rather a well thought out post that didn't stereotype than one that does.

    You make a lot of assumptions but give no proof. You generalise about iPhone users, Android users and make assumptions about the roadmaps of other IT companies without knowledge. You probably don't even know what the MS roadmap is specifically either. Roadmaps are typically well hidden from the 'average' person.

    Everything you've written is assumption. Nothing more. It's like a reverse Apple praising piece that bashes other OSs because they're not Apple.

    I'm all for MS and W10 doing well but I refuse to live in a fantasy land assuming it's all going to be roses. If it was that simple MS would have been a lot further ahead by now. Future is fine but it doesn't help with now and most mobile users last time I checked are 'now' people. Otherwise things like Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat and others would never have taken off.

    The other issues MS has is with enterprise. I don't see many taking on W10 any time soon and when they do I doubt many will let most users use universal apps. On top of that I can guarantee that most won't like the constant updating of the OS either. Most will want assurances from MS of ways to block regular updates except for major improvements.

    So MS has a rough road ahead regardless of how good it may look. They're still many users not happy with W10. Lots don't even like the new Start menu. As for app usage, I don't know the stats but personally I didn't use the 'metro' apps in W8 and now in W10 as I don't see the point.
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    11-10-2015 07:27 AM
  7. Hutzi's Avatar
    I get your your criticism. Yes, you can call all of this an assumption, which it is. This is my opinion. That is why the Post begins with "Why I think...". Off course I don't have any proof. I don't know the road maps of any company.

    In my opinion, though, an assumption can very well be thought out. If you have proof for something you don't have to think at all. You just show the people your facts. We all have a vage idea of how Microsoft intends to evolve and what steps they might take in the future. We follow Windows Central. If we're also interested in other platforms (like I am) we also have a vage idea of how Apple or Google intends to shape their future. Analysists also do not have full access to companies road maps. They still make estimated guesses.

    Yes, one could call this bashing. I was pretty harsh on Apple. But in my opinion all my points where valid in some way. So personally I would, going with your words, call this "reasonable bashing"? If you do not agree, do point out the areas where I was being completely unreasonable in your opinion.

    I totally agree with you that Microsoft has a rough path ahead of them. Fulfilling this vision will not be easy and honestly I think some compromises have to be down the road. Also, the thing with simple ideas is that they are only to some use to you if you actually think of them. Only if you're really lucky you have the right idea at the right time. Have you never had the thought of "Why didn't I think of this earlier! Damn it! Better now than never!"
    Well, if not, lucky you!
    11-10-2015 08:22 AM
  8. deepak12345's Avatar
    If anybit of this is true microsoft is soo dumb. Why would they update their older 635 in the first wave avoiding the previous flagship???



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    11-10-2015 08:32 AM
  9. elindalyne's Avatar
    W10M is the first major convergence that any of the major phone OS's has attempted. Microsoft's vision seems like it's headed in the right spot as google seems to be attempting the same.

    Where Microsoft has the major leg up is Continuum and while a lot of people can't see the use case in their lives, I think it has huge implications in emerging markets, enterprise and eventually as the tech becomes cheaper/more fleshed out in the every day consumer world.

    One thing that people don't really seem to get is that one OS won't work for all people.

    IOS works great for some. I personally hate it after having used an iPhone for about 4 years. I hated iTunes and I hated the simplistic 1 button approach. Don't get me wrong the hardware in iPhones and iPads is great, but IOS doesn't do it for me.

    Android is a security nightmare these days and every phone is different. I personally don't like the design/workflow of it, but hey it works for a lot of people.

    Windows has Live Tiles and Glance and is more consistent than android. That's what works for me.

    Different strokes for different folks.
    11-10-2015 09:32 AM
  10. Hutzi's Avatar
    One thing that people don't really seem to get is that one OS won't work for all people.
    If you were referring to me, in general I totally agree with you. For most people iOS "just works". THIS is what I also meant with the initial post. It's MY OPINION. Not more not less.

    Yes, I think Windows is superior in every TECHNICAL aspect over iOS. This leaves out the aspects of, usability, simplicity, eco system of apps and preference etc.

    Of course one OS doesn't fit everybody.

    Although technically Windows does somehow because you can for example choose to keep it as simple as iOS and only pin very little to your startscreen.

    But yeah, looking at this objectively (which I'm clearly not), iOS is a fine and simple OS.
    Cheers
    11-10-2015 10:42 AM
  11. SonOfDad's Avatar
    I love a thread with sweeping generalisations and not many talking points.
    Amen to that. The OS is superior "For various reasons you all know", yet no one can ever name them, last time I enquired the reply was 'I don't deal with haters.' :?
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    11-10-2015 09:30 PM
  12. Kram Sacul's Avatar
    It's like reading a political speech.

    "Things will be great. Wait until next year!"

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    11-11-2015 06:43 PM

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