[Krystianpants]

Did you say that my iPad 2 not running good on iOS 9 was the biggest lie on earth and then go on to agree that iOS 9 doesn't run good on the iPad 2? I am so confused lol.

I meant I was agreeing with you. He claimed ipad 2 ran smoothly and that's a big lie. And you also experienced issues. That or he likely never used it before ios 9.

[groady-ho baluzy]

I'm really puzzled by the hate being spewed here. I switched to windows from android about 4yrs. Ago, all the cheap windows phones I've had were always well supported and still work very well.
i think it was an old att 520?, it sucked on win10. If your being honest with yourself you'll find for all those cheapass phones you got a heck of a lot of use out of and then some as they're still in use today by lots of you out there.
That said, I could be wrong but if my memory serves me, I thought I read only 8.1 devices would be upgraded.
I'm sorry you are all so disappointed and angry but there's still some great cheap Lumias out there that will get the update and the 550 & 650 are pretty cheap with win10 installed.
just try to be honest with yourself and keep and open mind and you'll all see things more clearly and have much less stress and anger over such little things.
Btw, I dropped my nexus 6p the other day and had to send it to google for repair as it won't start up now, do you know how many times I've dropped my 735?, a bunch and it still runs like a champ. When the 6p comes back it's going on craigslist, apps or not its fragile and android isn't for me. So all of you leaving have fun in Droid land.

[Milan Aleksic]

925 feel very sad, very good phone, amoled display, good camera CZ pureview, 16gb storage(good for me), super perfomance on 8.1, but no officiall update on wm 10, little software fix and windows mobile very to close 8.1, but M$ want to buy new phone, why, it's good phone, i dont want to buy another one windows phone.

[windobuddies625]

any recommendation on which build works stable in 1320? in which ring? pretty please :(

.164 from release preview

[Div D]

I'm mad because of utterly false argumentation. If performance issues are reason for such short list of supported devices, first phone which should not be on this list is Lumia 950! From day one it didn't work well running windows 10. I really doubt that MS got positive feedback from 950 users.

You are right, I hate 950

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[eryvile]

Well, I guess the problem here is that even though W10M in its current state may not be the best experience on the x20 devices (I wasn't initially too excited on my 925, but it got better but not up to par with 8.1 in terms of speed...) I think (and maybe others as well) that Microsoft could have done better. Of course, for Microsoft, as for any other company in the world, it is always the question: "Is it worth it? What's in it for us?" and they decided: No, it's not worth the hassle, 50% of the user base is good enough!
Too bad though that they had promised before that all devices running WP8.1 (which my 925 happily does) would get the update - watch the video provided by Satish Singh, it's an official Microsoft event one year ago! Now also, many of us were "victims" of the WP7/WP8 debacle (my Lumia 800 - a great device - sits here in the drawer and collects dust). We now feel being betrayed twice in a row.

Working in sales, I have learned that credibility with the client is one of the most important things in order to sell. For me, Microsoft has lost pretty much all of their credibility as I ask myself: what official statement from Microsoft can I trust? What promise will they keep in the future? What other "surprises" do they come up with? I wouldn't be surprised if all x30 devices that were now able to update to W10M won't be getting the Redstone update, they'll be stuck with TH2 (well, at least they have W10M and UWP and all that fancy stuff).

I'm going to stick with my 925 for another couple of months (I just like the camera) and then will see how the smartphone market has developed. I just hope that now, as they realized they cannot/dont't want to provide W10M to all WP8 devices, they at least will roll out GDR2 to those devices. And I pray that they don't create another 7.8 like update with new colors and a new tile size... That was a joke and at that time felt just like another slap in my face.

I also have a S5 mini I use from time to time, which works great. Might as well switch to Android.

[Div D]

Those goons want us to dump our old phones and buy their new phones.. They want money.. :@

You are right, I hate Microsoft now

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[Keith White Jr]

If it's your daily driver , I kind of don't recommend you doing this . You could be dealing with freezing problems / battery problems

Why not? If you use the release ring you are on the same W10 as people getting the OTA update

[Keith White Jr]

so there is no stable release for the L1320 even in the fast ring ?
so not only only my phone wont get w10 but also won't even be stable on preview release :'(

My 1320 runs great on the slow ring. A friend of mine is on the release ring and his camera has been giving him some problems since moving from the slow ring.

[Keith White Jr]

See my post or the one from gwinegarden on this thread yesterday around 11:15/11:20am.

It feels a bit like the WP7 - WP8 debacle (I know it's different, this time only 50% affected and only older devices). But my main concern is the app fragmentation. As a developer, going for W10M will leave out 50% of the mobile market and also, why should I care to update my old WP8 apps...

Then why not just give your apps a more Windows 10 "look" but keep them compatible with 8.1 as well?

[Keith White Jr]

See my post or the one from gwinegarden on this thread yesterday around 11:15/11:20am.

It feels a bit like the WP7 - WP8 debacle (I know it's different, this time only 50% affected and only older devices). But my main concern is the app fragmentation. As a developer, going for W10M will leave out 50% of the mobile market and also, why should I care to update my old WP8 apps...

I'll take a look. Thank you :)

[Keith White Jr]

I meant I was agreeing with you. He claimed ipad 2 ran smoothly and that's a big lie. And you also experienced issues. That or he likely never used it before ios 9.

Oh ok! Hahahaha

I was so lost for a moment there.

[seed dede]

[Keith White Jr]

Thank you! I appreciate that.

In light of that, I can see some people being upset.

But, on the other side of the coin there technically is an Windows 10 upgrade for all Lumia Windows 8 phones in the form of the release ring of the insiders preview which will put you on the same update as the OTA update. They made no promise of continued support after an initial upgrade to Windows 10 on every phone.

But I do now understand why some would be upset. I'm personally not upset because MS gave me W10 on my 1320, my 520 and my 630 and it runs well on all 3. They will eventually get left behind in comparison to my 640, but that is true of all cell phone, tablet and computer OS's. My Vista laptop was left behind, my old iPhone 3GS was eventually left behind and my Kodak Android Tablet was left behind the moment I took it out of the box because it never received one update. That's just the way technology works.

[k12000lt]

It's not about getting left behind. It's about keeping word. If they did not want to or could not, why it was hyped so much? They could have said it right from the start. But they wanted gunia pigs as a testing ground for W10. They used them to test bugs, improvise W10 for newer devices, never for old. If they had said it at the begining, no one would have involved for insider to use buggy OS. They would have to appoint paid staff to test it.

[mariusmuntean]

For a moment let's stop comparing the situation with the other platforms.Adduplex made a calculation and the result is not nice.50% of the current wp devices are not getting the update. While technically is understandable why, the fault here is the Microsoft rushed to make a promise! They should have said instead that the list of devices which will indeed get the update will be made after the feedbacks! While it's embarrassing that they were not able to make win10 run on 1gb x20/x25 models it's normal to avoid being even more in a bad picture than they already are.
They had to chose the least of worst.
The truth is that the whole situation is not ok. Many many users will switch platforms because of one poorly made promise.

[R3mis]

For a moment let's stop comparing the situation with the other platforms.Adduplex made a calculation and the result is not nice.50% of the current wp devices are not getting the update. While technically is understandable why, the fault here is the Microsoft rushed to make a promise! They should have said instead that the list of devices which will indeed get the update will be made after the feedbacks! While it's embarrassing that they were not able to make win10 run on 1gb x20/x25 models it's normal to avoid being even more in a bad picture than they already are.
They had to chose the least of worst.
The truth is that the whole situation is not ok. Many many users will switch platforms because of one poorly made promise.

This seems to be the final nail in the platform's coffin. None of my friends with phones not eligible for the W10 update are going to buy new Windows devices. Instead, they are all opting for Android, which seems, at this point, that it has caught up with, or even surpassed WP in most of its outstanding features and perks. The only thing missing are live tiles, at least in my view.

It's really a shame, I used to love the WP platform but I see little point now in buying a new Windows phone...

[Justin Kelvianto]

So how about lumia 620 and 820 user? Do you think they dont exist?

[Krystianpants]

For a moment let's stop comparing the situation with the other platforms.Adduplex made a calculation and the result is not nice.50% of the current wp devices are not getting the update. While technically is understandable why, the fault here is the Microsoft rushed to make a promise! They should have said instead that the list of devices which will indeed get the update will be made after the feedbacks! While it's embarrassing that they were not able to make win10 run on 1gb x20/x25 models it's normal to avoid being even more in a bad picture than they already are.
They had to chose the least of worst.
The truth is that the whole situation is not ok. Many many users will switch platforms because of one poorly made promise.

They could make it work, we see 520s running well on it. And you do get windows 10 as promised, just won't get redstone or anything else. So technically it extends the lifespan of your device for a bit there. A device that is already old. This was planned in a way. New features will be coming in Redstone. Old devices will not be able to use them anyways. Why go through all the issues this could cause when instead you can drop them and not have to worry about constantly updating code for extremely old devices when windows 10 is meant for the future.

And here's the kicker. MS already knew how much percentage will drop. They still took the risk because Redstone is far too big to care about that percentage. It's a completely new market for new people to jump in on. Not even steal market share from competitors but build a new category that will be part of future market share reports. Just like they did with the surface line. The re-invention is not hardware, it's software. They don't do hardware. They just show off their own hardware they make but would prefer OEMs to do the brunt work. And that's how it is in the PC industry. This is how the 2-in-1 laptops are selling and that's how the 2-in-1 phones will be selling. And the market share will be up for grabs for any OEMs. MS isn't trying to steal that share. So they don't care if the phone shares get obliterated. They are just phones...

And I should mention. The software is designed to adapt to any hardware. The feature set that they include is what will open up OEMs to any sort of devices they wish. They don't even have to be phones, they can be ar units, video game consoles. Anything.

MS is essentially introducing a new battleground for OEMs to gain market share in.

[groady-ho baluzy]

Maybe because I'm an old head, No matter how hard I try I find it difficult that anyone can really be that upset about this. I mean come on now, some of the aforementioned devices are getting pretty old or cost very little money to buy to start with.
Ask yourself these questions, 1- does my device still run fine on 8.1? 2- isn't it true my device will be supported til 2017? 3- if I really want win10 can I still get it?
the answer is true/yes to all 3- MS is damned if they do and damned if they don't. Either way people will always find something. There's always going to be disappointment. Pura Vida, That's Life!

[snakebitten]

For the last few months, at least 6, I've heard every ridicule imaginable about the "feedback" program. Every insult under the sun hurled at Microsoft. So now we find out that they WERE listening to us.
And while we may not like the result, if it affects us unfavorably, that whole "feedback" program drove these decisions.
Microsoft made business decisions, not personal decisions. WE make personal decisions.

After all the dust settles, and it will, the truth is Microsoft did NOT say you can or can't have W10mobile. In fact, that is still YOUR personal decision. And if you do want it, it's FREE, for crying out loud. Lol

Make a personal decision and be happy with it. We live in remarkable times. Don't let your smart phone life cycle steal your joy.

[Keith White Jr]

Maybe because I'm an old head, No matter how hard I try I find it difficult that anyone can really be that upset about this. I mean come on now, some of the aforementioned devices are getting pretty old or cost very little money to buy to start with.
Ask yourself these questions, 1- does my device still run fine on 8.1? 2- isn't it true my device will be supported til 2017? 3- if I really want win10 can I still get it?
the answer is true/yes to all 3- MS is damned if they do and damned if they don't. Either way people will always find something. There's always going to be disappointment. Pura Vida, That's Life!

Exactly what I have been trying to say! No one that wants W10 on their Lumia phone is left out. The insiders preview allows 100% of Lumia Windows 8 phones (and some non-Lumia Windows 8 phones) to install and run Windows 10. What else do you want?

[Zakiurrehman]

Thanx MSFT!! You just convinced me to shift to IOS. "Mod Edit:
curse word removed"

[Guytronic]

After all the dust settles, and it will, the truth is Microsoft did NOT say you can or can't have W10mobile. In fact, that is still YOUR personal decision. And if you do want it, it's FREE, for crying out loud. Lol
Make a personal decision and be happy with it. We live in remarkable times. Don't let your smart phone life cycle steal your joy.

We must be the same age
Exactly what I've been thinking through all this "woe be unto me" event.

[pedmar007]

MS is correct for not putting w10m on devices released before 2013. I've been running w10m from .29->.164 on a L920 and they were good but now the OS is sputtering. Scrolling, opening apps, rare restarts, missing tiles when returning to start screen. Don't get me wrong there are others with same or equivalent device not experiencing same but what it does tell me that updates to come will add more that puts more strain on my already aging chipset. Honestly I'd rather have a device that runs the OS optimally, yes I'm disappointed but if we want progress we must go with the flow. I'm moving to a Lumia 640xl and I believe that it will offer a smoother experience and obviously bigger screen as well. Makes no sense continually harping on MS about being stagnant and also want them to work on devices that come Nov. this year will be 4 yrs old. Don't bring Apple into it as their devices are the same just improved chipset and screen size compared to the many many chipsets running WP8.1 with either 512 or 1gb ram. Allowing those iPhones to run the updated os is easy due to limited number of device models compared to windows. So instead of griping on MS, just get a newer pocket friendly Lumia or other device to run the w10m to have the best experience possible.