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  1. Aaargh Zombies's Avatar
    I have a factory built machine from Chillblast which was shipped with Windows 7 and 16GB of RAM in 2 8GB sticks.

    I upgraded the PC to Windows 10 late last year and I've been having a persistent problem with BSOD ever since.

    If the PC has a clean shutdown from the start menu it BSOD the next time that I switch it on. The BSOD happens at the exact moment that the login screen appears. Sometimes the message is MEMORY_MANAGEMENT, sometimes it is PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA.

    It only happens when the last shutdown was clean. If I reboot after a BSOD then it boots normally. If I switch it off at the mains without shutting Windows down then it doesn't BSOD.

    This only happens if I have both RAM sticks in. If I have one stick in (Regardless of which stick it is, or where I put it, then everything is OK). I've run Memttest with multiple combinations of each stick in each slot, and it's not brought up a single error. I've also checked my primary and secondary HDDs (Solid state, and magnetic) and they don't show any errors.

    As this only happens after a clean shutdown, I strongly suspect that it has something to do with the Paging File. Such as Windows attempting to speed up booting by restoring the system state from the paging file.

    I have attached two dump files.


    EDIT

    What I've tried so far:

    In Place upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10 on Magnetic Western Digital disc - Error
    Fresh install on Sandisc SSD, new cable, different port (No anti-virus) - Error

    1) Each RAM chip individually, in each spare slot - No errors
    2) Both RAM chips together in different combinations of slots - Error
    3) Upgraded Bios to latest version - Error
    4) Reset Bios to default - Error
    5) Disable readyboot\fastboot\hybernate - Error
    6) Set memory available to maximum from Advanced system menu - Error
    7) Memtest - No errors found
    8) IntelBrun - No errors found
    9) Fresh install on new SSD (Original install was on standard magnetic HD) with default drivers, new cable and new port (Other discs unplugged), no Anti virus. All drivers picked by OS - Error
    10) As above but with manufacture's drivers - Error
    11) Page file set grater than available RAM with both chips - Error
    12) As above but with Page file set to auto - Error
    13) As above but with page file disabled - Error
    14) Ran Windows Memory Diagnostic - No errors found
    15) Set Readyboot logging to circular - Error

    As the error ONLY happens at a specific time, and never happens during high stress times such as during gaming, it's unlikely to be the PSU.
    Attached Files
    Last edited by Aaargh Zombies; 07-03-2016 at 02:44 AM.
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    06-23-2016 06:27 AM
  2. Giddora's Avatar
    Have you tried disabling the paging file? You really shouldn't need one with 16Gb of RAM as it is mostly a help when it comes to computers with lower memory. Everything you need should fit on 16Gb of RAM.
    06-23-2016 07:17 AM
  3. Aaargh Zombies's Avatar
    I've tried increasing it, but I'd never even thought of turning it off.

    Right now, I've set it to Automatic, to see if it helps. Previously I had it fixed at a large size.

    Any idea what might be causing this. Everything that I've read says that it's a problem with one of the RAM sticks, but all of the software that I've run says that the RAM is OK.
    06-23-2016 07:22 AM
  4. TechFreak1's Avatar
    Interesting, does the same occur for instance if you mount the image of the hdd in a virtual machine?

    1) Use Disk2Vhd to create virtual disk image (Sysinternals)
    https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/ee656415.aspx

    2) Then use VHD to VMDK to enable you to use VMware player (free) using winimage (shareware for 30 days) (or you can use Hyper V to mount the VHD - presuming you have Windows 10 Pro)
    Download WinImage

    If the same occurs then you're only solution maybe a clean install using the Media Creation tool.

    http://forums.windowscentral.com/e?l...token=hZH2yBEJ
    06-23-2016 08:41 AM
  5. Aaargh Zombies's Avatar
    I've already tried a clean install on a fresh SSD that was straight out of the box. Same problem.
    06-23-2016 08:43 AM
  6. Devhux's Avatar
    Judging from other forums in which people had this kind of thing happen, a BIOS update may help (seemed to see this on various MSI motherboards).
    06-23-2016 09:19 AM
  7. Aaargh Zombies's Avatar
    OK

    I have a Gigabyte Motherboard, but the Bios is coming up as American Megatrends.

    Whose website should I download the latest Bios from?
    06-23-2016 09:28 AM
  8. Devhux's Avatar
    Gigabyte. The motherboard should have the model # on it. Let us know what that is and we can go from there.
    06-23-2016 11:57 AM
  9. Aaargh Zombies's Avatar
    It's a GA-Z87-HD3 with version F5A bios.
    06-23-2016 03:17 PM
  10. midnightfrolic's Avatar
    Here are a few thing you could try. No paging file. Disable fastboot. Update all drivers again, especially video drivers. Different ram brands. Update BIOS.

    For driver updates, start with video drivers as they are the most likely culprits. Uninstall all graphics drivers. Reboot and let Windows auto install WHQL drivers first. Try it out. If problem persists, then use specific OEM drivers. If issue persists, then use manufacturer drivers.

    Seeing as it's a clean install, security software and other software should not be the issue. If it doesn't happen with both sticks, then either the other stick is bad or ram slot on mobo is faulty. Tests can give false negatives.

    GL
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    06-23-2016 04:20 PM
  11. Devhux's Avatar
    It's a GA-Z87-HD3 with version F5A bios.
    I believe that's a beta version of the BIOS actually (and probably one of the first ones for that board). Given that Gigabyte's site lists F6 as the first available BIOS, I'd definitely recommend updating it. Note that it's entirely possible the F5A BIOS was the only one available if the board was brand new when your system was built.

    I'd suggest downloading Gigabyte's App Center & @Flash utilities from here:

    http://www.gigabyte.com/products/pro...87-HD3#utility

    The @Flash app should walk through updating the BIOS to the latest F8 version.
    06-23-2016 05:01 PM
  12. Aaargh Zombies's Avatar
    I've installed the latest bios, and have reset the Paging file form a fixed size to automatic.

    If it continues to BSOD I will try disabling it totally.

    I performed a clean install earlier on so I've already been through the software checks for the graphics card.
    06-24-2016 09:10 AM
  13. realwarder's Avatar
    Turn off Fast Startup and see if that helps. Could be a weird hardware issue due to boot not being totally clean.
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    06-24-2016 09:36 AM
  14. Aaargh Zombies's Avatar
    Turn off Fast Startup and see if that helps. Could be a weird hardware issue due to boot not being totally clean.
    That was automatically switched off when I disabled Hibernate.
    06-24-2016 10:09 AM
  15. realwarder's Avatar
    Your minidump shows the crash started from here:

    DEFAULT_BUCKET_ID: WIN8_DRIVER_FAULT


    PROCESS_NAME: SanDiskSSDDash


    If you've loaded some Sandisk drivers, I would uninstall them.
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    06-24-2016 10:21 AM
  16. realwarder's Avatar
    Your minidump shows the crash started from here:

    DEFAULT_BUCKET_ID: WIN8_DRIVER_FAULT


    PROCESS_NAME: SanDiskSSDDash


    If you've loaded some Sandisk drivers, I would uninstall them.
    Mind you, the other dump was just in the kernel, completely unrelated to anything interesting.

    I'd guess you just have bad memory, some memory timing issues or a bad motherboard given that it started when you added memory.

    Check your memory is in the right banks of pairs (sometimes it's not side by side).
    TechFreak1 likes this.
    06-24-2016 10:28 AM
  17. Krystianpants's Avatar
    Go to Control Panel
    Administative tools

    Run: Windows Memory Diagnostic


    Then it may give a solution or report an issue.

    If not go to the same adminstrative tools again:

    >System Configuration
    >Advanced options
    > Put checkmark in maximum memory and make sure it shows up at 16 gigs. If not enter 16384.
    > Hit OK
    >restart

    Go back and make sure settings take place. I forget but you may have to select selective startup if they don't.
    v535 likes this.
    06-24-2016 11:27 AM
  18. xandros9's Avatar
    I'm going to throw out the idea of using memtest here.
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    06-24-2016 11:39 PM
  19. Aaargh Zombies's Avatar
    I'm going to throw out the idea of using memtest here.
    I ran it for about 15 hours, and it didn't find any problems.

    Given that my PC didn't have any issues with Windows 7, I think that this is likely a software problem.
    06-25-2016 01:42 AM
  20. Aaargh Zombies's Avatar
    I originally tried with a WD disk, the SanDisk is the second disk that I used and I had the same problem with both.

    I've tried the each RAM chip individually in each slot, the problem only happens when I have both RAM chips in at the same time regardless of which slots they are in, and it only happens when I boot from a clean shutdown.
    06-25-2016 01:44 AM
  21. Aaargh Zombies's Avatar
    Your minidump shows the crash started from here:

    DEFAULT_BUCKET_ID: WIN8_DRIVER_FAULT


    PROCESS_NAME: SanDiskSSDDash


    If you've loaded some Sandisk drivers, I would uninstall them.
    I initially had this installed on a WD disk (Upgrade from Windows 7) and had the same problem, I later installed the SanDisk (Clean install) unit and the problem continued.
    06-25-2016 01:53 AM
  22. ttsoldier's Avatar
    I would recommend downloading DriverPackSolution and making sure all your drivers are up to date.
    06-25-2016 03:32 AM
  23. Devhux's Avatar
    Has it continued to happen after updating the BIOS & tweaking the pagefile?
    06-25-2016 08:27 AM
  24. Aaargh Zombies's Avatar
    The only hing that I haven't tried from the suggestions is switching off the paging file, but it BSOD on me this morning.
    06-25-2016 08:48 AM
  25. TechFreak1's Avatar
    The only hing that I haven't tried from the suggestions is switching off the paging file, but it BSOD on me this morning.
    Hmm, have you tried other sticks of RAM?

    Also try disabling the page file, if it doesn't BSOD then you're windows install may have been corrupted some how.
    06-25-2016 11:42 AM
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