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  1. anon(5969054)'s Avatar
    Lol if you ask this question you do not fully understand what's going on. Of course you must compare this because they are both computer platforms and in the future everything will be mobile. There is no future for desktop. So if Android takes over, then Android will start offering solutions for big screens for when people need that. Hell, they are already doing it and Samsung already did it.
    04-13-2017 11:03 AM
  2. RohanRonQM's Avatar
    This is the consequence of Microsoft not pushing Windows on Phones and Mixed Reality as much. The so called "retrenchment" has only caused headaches for long-time Windows users.

    The market share (overall) of Android and its competitors are increasing every day.
    04-13-2017 11:06 AM
  3. Wevenhuis's Avatar
    If you haven't visited Android Central in a while, they published an article that Android is the most-used OS in the world, taking into account desktop, laptop, tablet, and mobile.

    Android surpasses Windows as the world's most popular OS

    What do you guys think? Should we be concerned about this? Should we separate each form factor for a clearer picture? Is this nothing of interest?
    Yes I do think we should care. With an a clearer unclear future of windows 10 mobile and UWP the choice for mobile will only be left for android and iOS devices. With android adoption the market choice a will have changed for many windows users. There will be more choice in device and apps. But I still forsee many practical issues. Such as cross platform compatibility of legacy software to android, androids policy on data security (android is known for open sourcing and sharing data you don't want to share, so android must be transparent about it), android policy on being able to use microsofts productivity suite as the default service instead of google. And then there are some personal things with the android. user interface I have have to get used to and think the windows phone UI is better at. Bit I think that could be solves if microsofts upcoming composable shell. The windows mobile seems more direct, elegant, getting things done with less distraction and better at a meaningful glancable view. But those are my personal views of the UI. Having more choice of device is a breath of fresh air from the windows mobile platform, bit I will surely miss the Nokia pureview and quality lenses. That will remain uniquely microsoft and Nokia.
    04-13-2017 11:10 AM
  4. OLUBAJO KAYODE's Avatar
    If you haven't visited Android Central in a while, they published an article that Android is the most-used OS in the world, taking into account desktop, laptop, tablet, and mobile.

    Android surpasses Windows as the world's most popular OS

    What do you guys think? Should we be concerned about this? Should we separate each form factor for a clearer picture? Is this nothing of interest?
    I don't even understand the basis for the comparism, but what I know is that the comparism has to do with internet access. But come to think of think Android is a more popular phone OS and most people reverts to their desktop or laptop to do the other more important work with Windows.
    04-13-2017 11:14 AM
  5. Withheld's Avatar
    Regardless of slow, declining sales, the only stability has been with personal computers and enterprise. The volatile mobile only needs a must have innovation to make the mightiest of giants disappear overnight.
    04-13-2017 11:24 AM
  6. bobsentell's Avatar
    Yes and no. Yes, because it is obviously a threat that Microsoft should take seriously. No, because Android is at its core a mobile OS and Windows is a desktop OS. There are simply things you can do on one that you cannot do on the other. I think Microsoft moving Windows to ARM with system32 emulation will be a great hedge against Android.

    I also wonder how many of those Android devices are throwaway IoT devices that, yes, technically count as Android but have limited functionality.
    04-13-2017 11:29 AM
  7. DavidinCT's Avatar
    Google has won because, Apple is just the same old crap and Microsoft does nothing to support their own OS...
    04-13-2017 01:37 PM
  8. kapil Matta's Avatar
    It does matter.
    PC, or mobile. They are just computing devices.
    Microsoft let go whatever share they had of mobiles.
    And now, they are marginalized in computing industry.
    PC's have their own place, as of now, but no one knows the next curve.
    Thanks.

    If you haven't visited Android Central in a while, they published an article that Android is the most-used OS in the world, taking into account desktop, laptop, tablet, and mobile.

    Android surpasses Windows as the world's most popular OS

    What do you guys think? Should we be concerned about this? Should we separate each form factor for a clearer picture? Is this nothing of interest?
    04-13-2017 02:51 PM
  9. buzzard75's Avatar
    I don't think it's surprising that Android usage is on the rise and Windows usage is dropping. It's been happening for a while now and you just have to go back into our technological history of computing devices to understand why. When phones were phones and laptops were ridiculously expensive (they still are in some cases), or even before they existed, the one and only way people originally accessed the internet was through a desktop. Windows was certainly more popular than its competitors, i.e. Mac and Linux. It had a massive adoption rate as the one OS that everyone was using. As time went on, phones got replaced with feature phones that had limited internet capabilities and then eventually smartphones came around. This increased the number of Android and iOS users, but didn't significantly impact the number of Windows users. People still needed their computers for stuff. During that time people also began replacing their desktops with laptops because they wanted to be more mobile. Still no real affect on the user base since they were still probably using a laptop with Windows on it. Continuing down that path though, tablets were introduced shortly thereafter and became the new laptop. The average person who just wants to browse the internet, look at Facebook, check their email, and watch cat videos doesn't need an expensive desktop or laptop to do it any more. Especially when they can get something smaller and cheaper like a tablet. If you have a choice between a bulky, heavy, expensive laptop or a slim, lightweight, inexpensive tablet, and they can both accomplish what you want to accomplish, which one would you pick? I think smartphones are what really introduced people to the wider world of mobile computing. They saw what it could do, but it wasn't quite enough to get them to throw their PC's in the trash. It did however give them an introduction to the functionality of a tablet. The tablet is what changed everything. The mass production of cheap tablets (and parents feeling the need to give one to every whiny kid in their house) is what has significantly increased the user base of Android and even iOS. More so Android tablets as they are obviously cheaper than any iPad device. You going to give your kid a cheap $50 knock off tablet of their own running Android or let them use your $800 iPad? Hmmmm...

    To be worried, or not to be worried, that is the question. I say not to be worried. Windows will always be around. For content creators and professionals, there are just some things you can't do on a tablet, or that you can't at least do as well on a tablet, as you can on a laptop, desktop, 2-in-1 or what have you. Microsoft recognizes this. That goes for OSx as well. If you notice, the OSx numbers are fairly constant. Most people who have an OSx device probably also have an iPhone or an iPad and use all three for unique tasking, therefore the OSx user base was unaffected by the introduction of smartphones and tablets. I think you will eventually see a point where the Windows user base will plateau and even out as well. What that percentage is though, I don't know. Just depends on how many more people realize they don't need a large, heavy device to watch cat videos on and switch to tablets. And how many more kids they have.

    Me personally, I have a desktop. For the longest time it was my only device next to my old Motorola flip phone. At some point I bought an iPod as well. The flip phone eventually got replaced with a smartphone. I wanted to be more mobile so I bought a laptop. It died several years ago and was replaced by an Acer netbook because I realized I needed something smaller and lighter for what I was using the laptop for. I still used my desktop for heavy computing like video and photo editing anyway. The netbook was in turn replaced by a Kindle Fire HD. I figured I still had my desktop so I didn't really need the netbook. The Kindle Fire HD started giving me some issues and I was this close to replacing it with a Samsung Galaxy Tab S2 last year. That was until I put my hands on a Microsoft Surface Pro 4. For mobile computing, it really is one of the best devices on the market, but it ain't cheap like all the other mass produced tablets out there. And no, my whiny kid never gets to touch it. Funny thing is, I haven't had a need to do any video or photo editing as my wife takes care of most of it now. I haven't turned my desktop on since probably last summer. Had I bought the Samsung, there'd be one more Android user on that chart and one less Windows user.
    Last edited by buzzard75; 04-14-2017 at 05:44 AM.
    04-13-2017 03:37 PM
  10. Michael Alan Goff's Avatar
    No if you mean specifically Android but yes if you're talking about a changing computer paradigm. We should care that desktops are irrelevant for large portions of the world.
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    04-13-2017 05:22 PM
  11. n m's Avatar
    Only the most naive of cool aid guzzling fanboys would think this doesn't matter.
    It's all about market presence, dominance and mind share, all which MS is losing by the truck load. Wouldn't be so bad if they had a mobile presence but that got run over by the same android juggernaut.
    And MS's response.....retrenchment.
    They bought a piece of wet celery to a gun fight.



    If you haven't visited Android Central in a while, they published an article that Android is the most-used OS in the world, taking into account desktop, laptop, tablet, and mobile.

    Android surpasses Windows as the world's most popular OS

    What do you guys think? Should we be concerned about this? Should we separate each form factor for a clearer picture? Is this nothing of interest?
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    04-13-2017 11:11 PM
  12. vEEP pEEP's Avatar
    Of course it's a big deal. Like when Nokia dominated the dumb phone market and was quickly overtaken in the Smart Phone arena by Apple and Android. They dominated for years and became complacent.

    MS will be on a downward slide if all OSes head towards Android. Office only survives because it is native to Windows - and that is a huge money maker for them. What happens when Android comes out with their own Office Suite AND owns the OS market? MS irrelevance.

    Imagine Android doing the opposite - being a dominate phone OS to the dominate OS desktop, embedded OS, and for everything new OS.....

    MS got destroyed in the phone market despite being an desktop OS leader. They were even in the game - Windows CE.

    The world is mobile. Maybe, with ARM the can launch some sort of comeback. Xbox, VR, Skype, learnings from Nokia - maybe....?
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    04-13-2017 11:18 PM
  13. Jazmac's Avatar
    I actually never gave this much thought about android even being an operating system at all. I know that probably sounds weird but I just don't think about any phone running tiny apps that way.

    An OS in my mind runs on the desktop. Period. That's where it has always been for me. Mac has a desktop OS. Linux has flavors galore of them. But when it gets down to running on a phone, that isn't what I consider a true OS, in the strictest sense to be.
    I've always looked at small devices something more of a hybrid something in the vein of a widget.

    To illustrate, its made from MEAT but I would never call a hamburger a STEAK. It once swam in the ocean but I would never consider a Filet-O-Fish a Walnut Ginger Salmon even though they are both fish. To me, calling Android an OS in the tradition of established Operating Systems that run really muscular, enterprise ready applications, is akin to being forced to take your kid brother with you on a date. Android, as nice as it is, could never something that rises to the level of an Operating System. it as being a platform for which tiny apps can consume web content. Display cute pictures with clock's that keep time on smartphones and tablets. Nothing more, nothing less. This is how they live and die. No matter the price point. No matter how fast the processor. Its a widget, not an operating system.

    Don't get me wrong, I have come to respect android and IOS and Windows Phone for that matter. I own the OnePlus 3t, an Iphone 6 and a 1520. On a phone, these things do what they do quite nicely. But on my desktop, it needs to be the manly beast that I am. It has to be able to run Cities:Skylines. Photoshop, Dreamweaver, AIMP, Edge, a Virtual Desktop and whatever else I need/want to run. That is an OS. Microsoft Windows is an OS. Mac OSX is an OS. RedHat is an OS, Android is that girl you dated once who now has a mad crush on you. That chick that says, "I'll meet you there" when you and your buds head to the beach to scout new recruits.

    And every man knows you don't take sand to the beach.
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    04-14-2017 12:30 AM
  14. Gary Bob's Avatar
    If you haven't visited Android Central in a while, they published an article that Android is the most-used OS in the world, taking into account desktop, laptop, tablet, and mobile.

    Android surpasses Windows as the world's most popular OS

    What do you guys think? Should we be concerned about this? Should we separate each form factor for a clearer picture? Is this nothing of interest?
    Yeah but the article said android was the most numerous os to connect to the internet, not the most used os in general. Big difference
    04-14-2017 03:12 AM
  15. abhiFT's Avatar
    Ha! It's completely different. How many laptops or PCs does a family own? A family with four members might own two computers, but they all will have a personal mobile. It's no surprise. Mobiles are cheaper and easily replaced. Microsoft had the opportunity to catapult themselves way ahead of android, but they failed. But who cares? I will forever use windows. Way better than Android and Mac. Huh!
    04-14-2017 07:21 AM
  16. M_A_Adams's Avatar
    If you haven't visited Android Central in a while, they published an article that Android is the most-used OS in the world, taking into account desktop, laptop, tablet, and mobile.

    Android surpasses Windows as the world's most popular OS

    What do you guys think? Should we be concerned about this? Should we separate each form factor for a clearer picture? Is this nothing of interest?
    I have a feeling when I talk to droid users, that 'most popular' is really misleading. Most of them are far from enamored with Android -- but they like the size and variety of available apps. Not to mention the fact that depending on the age of your device, your OS may or may not be upgraded. The past generations of devices that are upgradeable are for fewer than Windows or IOS....
    04-14-2017 08:34 AM
  17. mjperry51's Avatar
    Ha! It's completely different. How many laptops or PCs does a family own? A family with four members might own two computers, but they all will have a personal mobile. It's no surprise. Mobiles are cheaper and easily replaced. Microsoft had the opportunity to catapult themselves way ahead of android, but they failed. But who cares? I will forever use windows. Way better than Android and Mac. Huh!
    Beg to differ.

    We run our branding design business from home, so we're probably not "typical". I personally have 3 PCs -- one W10 desktop, one W7/Linux dualboot, and a W7 laptop. My wife has two Macs - IMac desktop and MacBook Pro. My daughter uses a Surface Pro 4 for school. There are two IPhones and 1 Windows Phone.

    As to usefulness, NONE of the phones will replace the desktops/tablet WRT functionality. There's no way I'll do video editing/Web Development on a phone; There's now way Michelle will design package labels or product brochures on a phone, and there's no way Jordan will do her homework on a phone.

    Right tool for the job.

    ETA: The general rule for selecting hardware/OS to do determine which applications you nee to do the job, then select the best system to run them on.
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    04-14-2017 09:00 AM
  18. nasznjoka's Avatar
    I actually never gave this much thought about android even being an operating system at all. I know that probably sounds weird but I just don't think about any phone running tiny apps that way.

    An OS in my mind runs on the desktop. Period. That's where it has always been for me. Mac has a desktop OS. Linux has flavors galore of them. But when it gets down to running on a phone, that isn't what I consider a true OS, in the strictest sense to be.
    I've always looked at small devices something more of a hybrid something in the vein of a widget.

    To illustrate, its made from MEAT but I would never call a hamburger a STEAK. It once swam in the ocean but I would never consider a Filet-O-Fish a Walnut Ginger Salmon even though they are both fish. To me, calling Android an OS in the tradition of established Operating Systems that run really muscular, enterprise ready applications, is akin to being forced to take your kid brother with you on a date. Android, as nice as it is, could never something that rises to the level of an Operating System. it as being a platform for which tiny apps can consume web content. Display cute pictures with clock's that keep time on smartphones and tablets. Nothing more, nothing less. This is how they live and die. No matter the price point. No matter how fast the processor. Its a widget, not an operating system.

    Don't get me wrong, I have come to respect android and IOS and Windows Phone for that matter. I own the OnePlus 3t, an Iphone 6 and a 1520. On a phone, these things do what they do quite nicely. But on my desktop, it needs to be the manly beast that I am. It has to be able to run Cities:Skylines. Photoshop, Dreamweaver, AIMP, Edge, a Virtual Desktop and whatever else I need/want to run. That is an OS. Microsoft Windows is an OS. Mac OSX is an OS. RedHat is an OS, Android is that girl you dated once who now has a mad crush on you. That chick that says, "I'll meet you there" when you and your buds head to the beach to scout new recruits.

    And every man knows you don't take sand to the beach.
    That's just you and your ignorance or hatred... Can you check the definition of an IS please?
    04-14-2017 09:09 AM
  19. naddy69's Avatar
    You have a very bizarre definition of "Operating System". Android IS an Operating System. The fact that it is now more popular than Windows should scare the hell out of Microsoft.
    04-14-2017 10:20 AM
  20. Hoppman's Avatar
    What do you guys think? Should we be concerned about this? Should we separate each form factor for a clearer picture? Is this nothing of interest?
    Only for people like Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols, your basic Linux android fanboy Microsoft hater. They probably still think that a PHONE OS is equivalent to a full functioning computer OS and the reality is that they aren't even close. It may let them keep thinking it is the year of Linux on the desktop though, that seems to be their ultimate wet dream.
    04-14-2017 02:28 PM
  21. Hoppman's Avatar
    PHONE operating system, and an insecure one at that.
    04-14-2017 02:28 PM
  22. matt john2's Avatar
    Only for people like Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols, your basic Linux android fanboy Microsoft hater. They probably still think that a PHONE OS is equivalent to a full functioning computer OS and the reality is that they aren't even close. It may let them keep thinking it is the year of Linux on the desktop though, that seems to be their ultimate wet dream.
    Actually a Mobile OS is all what most people need hence why things like Chromebook and Chrome OS exist.

    Microsoft angered a lot of Windows 10 users with their telemetry data mining that it only make sense Linux is gaining traction and people are now considering Linux.
    04-14-2017 03:41 PM
  23. TgeekB's Avatar
    Actually a Mobile OS is all what most people need hence why things like Chromebook and Chrome OS exist.

    Microsoft angered a lot of Windows 10 users with their telemetry data mining that it only make sense Linux is gaining traction and people are now considering Linux.
    A mobile OS for using Facebook, etc., sure. MS is focused on a different demographic.

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    04-14-2017 04:01 PM
  24. fatclue_98's Avatar
    That's just you and your ignorance or hatred... Can you check the definition of an IS please?
    Then count me in as an ignant hater too. As for the definition, that's a broad brush stroke. A Pebble watch has an operating system - by definition. A smart toaster or fridge has one as well but you're not going to edit video or set X-Refs on a CAD file with either.

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    04-14-2017 04:55 PM
  25. nasznjoka's Avatar
    Then count me in as an ignant hater too. As for the definition, that's a broad brush stroke. A Pebble watch has an operating system - by definition. A smart toaster or fridge has one as well but you're not going to edit video or set X-Refs on a CAD file with either.

    Sent from Alcatel Idol 4S with Windows via mTalk
    This is what I don't get.. Is every person on earth using cad or edits videos??? Cause this is the most defensive arguments most guys over here use... I'm a developer and have never used one of those...
    04-14-2017 05:23 PM
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