1. Byrese's Avatar
    Much has been made of the demise of WP/W10M. I myself have owned almost every WP flagship, but sadly have moved on (though I might by one as a secondary device).

    But I'm curious what everyone thinks about the state of W10 as a whole in 2017 (especially compared to Mac OS and Android's Desktop like experience)?

    Also, how do you think the MS ecosystem is doing? We may have lost ground in mobile but I'm curious to get your thoughts about the rest of the W10 world.
    05-12-2017 12:22 AM
  2. Drael646464's Avatar
    Much has been made of the demise of WP/W10M. I myself have owned almost every WP flagship, but sadly have moved on (though I might by one as a secondary device).

    But I'm curious what everyone thinks about the state of W10 as a whole in 2017 (especially compared to Mac OS and Android's Desktop like experience)?

    Also, how do you think the MS ecosystem is doing? We may have lost ground in mobile but I'm curious to get your thoughts about the rest of the W10 world.
    Coming fresh off the build day two conference I think the future looks very bright.

    MS is clearly ahead in its OS intergration of mixed reality.

    Cortana skills offered contextually, will likely put MS ahead of the curve on voice, given a) its offered proactively not merely triggered b) it's a platform 100's of millions of people have access to already (unlike speakers).

    There are also definite gains in terms of AI in general, and all those are available to use by developers.

    Across device intergration makes windows open arms policy towards other platforms very attractive. Whether you are an android user, or a ios, your devices will work better together with windows and MS services than the other way around.

    The incoming UI changes, make windows more attractive visually than other OSes. And they better suit mixed reality.

    With system wide pen intergration, windows will be WELL ahead of other OSes in terms of the stylus.

    UWP is picking up some steam with windows s (before release even - Spotify and iTunes are both already coming to the store), and will pick up more with the new xamarin, and windows on arm.

    The shift to UWP and modernizing software is a slow transition for developers. But like the move from 16 bit, and 98 to XP before it, It'll happen. MS's windows 10 is conceived as both a hybrid OS that can run on everything from phones to mixed reality AND a more secure modernized application platform with a codebase that is more re-useable. It's a total refresh of the OS, in the vein of the move from windows 3.1 to 95 was, BUT BIGGER.

    Apple and Google have not yet even released a hybrid OS. They show no indications of moving into AR/VR substaintially, with their OS itself (yet). None of the other Assistant platforms are as open to developers, nor are their development kits receiving as much love.

    When apple and google actually make their hybrid OS (such as the project frushia for google), or apple it's rumoured AR project, I think we'll be able to make fairer comparisons.

    Currently iOS and OSX do well enough (although iPhone sales are definitely losing steam in the market, which really should worry apple as its primary revenue stream), but they are not unified platforms. Android and ChromeOS do pretty well (a billion devices!), but they are not unified, and exist primarily on technologies that will be overshadowed by future tech.

    Windows 10, is essentially "first to market", and has some years of lead time. I think that's what people don't grasp. How big a change windows 10 is, from "a desktop OS" or its previous incarnations. Windows 10, isn't supposed to be a "desktop OS" - its supposed to be the OS the unifies all hardware platforms. It's a massive refresh.

    Of course, the herculean task of bringing all these features, whilst rolling out yet unannounced features like the adaptive cshell - its a heavy coding burden, and it takes time.

    In that respect windows 10 is basically a work in progress. Not merely something that is being updated but something that "isn't done yet".

    It works great as a desktop OS, and on a tablet and is complete in one sense, but the full vision of unification, mixed reality, conversation as a platform is still being added to.

    Which is another reason why its earlier release than any other hybrid OS is important - competitors have A LOT of catching up to do, by the time they get their products to market.

    MS is a little behind on its ambitious 1 billion devices goal, but having climbed to 500 million users on windows 10, and with the momentum it has this year, I can only see things getting stronger over time.
    Last edited by Drael646464; 05-12-2017 at 12:53 AM.
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    05-12-2017 12:41 AM
  3. Spectrum90's Avatar
    The more important announcement at build were:
    Linux, itunes coming to the store
    Support for iOS and Android on Windows.
    Visual Studio for Mac.
    Xamarin Live Player for iOS and Android.

    Windows is becoming irrelevant. Even in the server side Microsoft is adopting Linux for more workloads.

    The only hope for Windows is AR/AI, but all the top tech companies are in an open race to dominate the new platforms.

    Microsoft's "A" team is working in the cloud. Windows is an afterthought, but at least you can see these folks passionate about improving Windows.
    Last edited by Spectrum90; 05-12-2017 at 10:21 AM.
    05-12-2017 10:11 AM
  4. Drael646464's Avatar
    Windows is becoming irrelevant..
    In what way, empirically, statistically speaking is windows "becoming irrelevant"?
    05-12-2017 10:18 AM
  5. Spectrum90's Avatar
    In what way, empirically, statistically speaking is windows "becoming irrelevant"?
    iOS dominates mobile. Android is the affordable alternative.
    macOS dominates the desktop. Windows the affordable alternative, although Chrome OS is growing.
    People spend most of their time in the browser. Chrome is the dominant browser.
    Xbox is a relatively small in consoles.
    Linux powers the cloud, Windows is for legacy workloads.

    10 years ago Windows was the dominant OS, today It is almost irrelevant.
    Windows has to win the next platform race to survive.
    05-12-2017 10:44 AM
  6. Drael646464's Avatar
    iOS dominates mobile. Android is the affordable alternative.
    macOS dominates the desktop. Windows the affordable alternative, although Chrome OS is growing.
    People spend most of their time in the browser. Chrome is the dominant browser.
    Xbox is a relatively small in consoles.
    Linux powers the cloud, Windows is for legacy workloads.

    10 years ago Windows was the dominant OS, today It is almost irrelevant.
    Windows has to win the next platform race to survive.
    Statistically, empirically. Not your perspective. Facts, please facts.

    OSX has like 10% marketshare of desktop. Profit wise its one of apples lowest earners. You could say it dominates tablets, but that's slipping.

    Android has marketshare and the highest install base on mobile. Apple just has the highest profit margins. It's only around 30 percent globally, and it's actually pulling out the stops as now budget devices are experiencing all the growth, and people are buying into premium less and less.

    PC is king of gaming, not consoles. Far more people game on PC than any console platform. Xbox and windows 10 between them, both have the lions share of the marketshare there, over 50% of the market. The gaming market is also the biggest area of growth for desktops/PCs.

    As for anything not "in the cloud' being legacy, IDK where to start with that! Clearly VR can't run via the cloud. Anything requiring real power or fast response times has to be local. That's not going to change unless we get faster than light transfer speeds.

    Windows 10 is on 500 million users. Windows 7/8 is almost twice that. Roughly 1 in 5 people globally have a pc/desktop, only slightly less than the 1 in 4 that have a smartphone. Most people have both, and that's not changing either - statistically mobile and static are complimentary, not substitutions, except in poor areas.

    Probably the only statement there I can find any truth in, myself there, is that tech is a race, and it'll probably be a close one for all parties involved.
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    05-12-2017 12:13 PM
  7. PerfectReign's Avatar
    Was just chatting about W10 at work.

    I manage the support and purchasing for a smallish department. We have about 1200 Windows PCs, roughly 200 Android mobile devices, about 20 Android tablets, six Ipads, 50 Iphones, and exactly three Macintosh PCs. (My Mac SE/30 doesn't count.)

    Only about ten of us in IT are on W10. The rest are on Windows 7. We do have some containers with XP for Office 2003 based applications but that's it. We are beginning deployment planning as I'm beginning to deploy OPP. However I'm seeing serious compatibility issues with our Cisco Call Center applications, our Enterprise Resource Planning application, older mainframe terminal emulators, FTP software, and a few other things.

    We'll get through it but will need to plan.

    Sent from mTalk
    05-12-2017 01:09 PM
  8. Drael646464's Avatar
    Was just chatting about W10 at work.

    I manage the support and purchasing for a smallish department. We have about 1200 Windows PCs, roughly 200 Android mobile devices, about 20 Android tablets, six Ipads, 50 Iphones, and exactly three Macintosh PCs. (My Mac SE/30 doesn't count.)

    Only about ten of us in IT are on W10. The rest are on Windows 7. We do have some containers with XP for Office 2003 based applications but that's it. We are beginning deployment planning as I'm beginning to deploy OPP. However I'm seeing serious compatibility issues with our Cisco Call Center applications, our Enterprise Resource Planning application, older mainframe terminal emulators, FTP software, and a few other things.

    We'll get through it but will need to plan.

    Sent from mTalk
    For enterprise its a major shift, though an inevitable one, that is bound to come with a few hiccups in terms of current practice. Not unlike the shift to XP/NT was when I was involved in those upgrades.
    05-12-2017 10:44 PM

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