08-31-2017 01:01 PM
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  1. kingtigre's Avatar
    Do you like being tech support?

    If so, get her a PC, Install Deep Freeze, and rest easy.
    If not, get her a Mac and send her to the "Genius" bar at every turn.
    08-07-2017 12:52 PM
  2. jbrown9100's Avatar
    I totally agree with @midnightfrolic.

    I like staying in an eco-system. I like Windows and find that things within the Windows eco-system play fairly well together; or at least when they don't I know how to figure out why. If you have "iStuff" then I suggest staying with all "iStuff". Similarly if you into Android then stay there. I believe that the value of integration is way under considered.
    TgeekB likes this.
    08-07-2017 01:52 PM
  3. TgeekB's Avatar
    I totally agree with @midnightfrolic.

    I like staying in an eco-system. I like Windows and find that things within the Windows eco-system play fairly well together; or at least when they don't I know how to figure out why. If you have "iStuff" then I suggest staying with all "iStuff". Similarly if you into Android then stay there. I believe that the value of integration is way under considered.
    I agree. While I was once all in on Windows, I have recently switched (happily) to Apple. iPhone SE, iPad Pro, MacBook Pro. All work elegantly together which is a big plus.
    08-07-2017 03:50 PM
  4. LuxuryTouringZone's Avatar
    Get her a Windows computer. Setting up and getting around Windows 10 is reasonably easy, and it's very customizable. Oh and not to mention sheer diversity you get in the hardware department! That alone may easily make you want to forget about going with Mac OS powered device. Not that they're bad devices by any means, but Windows just offers so much more.
    Justinian84 likes this.
    08-07-2017 06:27 PM
  5. blazewon22's Avatar
    It depends on what apps she needs and how much she uses it. Also depends on the price point. I've been experimenting with a Azus ZenBook Flip with a M3 Processor and 8GB of RAM. It runs everything pretty smoothly. My only gripe is no iMessage/FaceTime and the continuity of going from Safari iOS to Edge.

    You might want to even consider an iPad Pro if you want to really KISS. Overall, these days there isn't much difference except integration when you do an even price-point comparison.

    If you look at a i5 8GB Surface Laptop versus a i5 8GB MacBook Pro without touch bar, they are both light, run Chrome and support Facebook.
    08-07-2017 08:08 PM
  6. Justinian84's Avatar
    Go for a Windows PC. Not only is the hardware more versatile and cheaper for a price comparable to a Mac, the OS is also easier to pick up than MacOS. There are just things that don't make much sense in my experience with MacOS, ESPECIALLY if you've used Windows in ANY capacity in the past.
    08-07-2017 09:05 PM
  7. cbb77's Avatar
    You really didn't mention her needs. As mentioned before, depending on the apps she needs, it may dictate one over the other. Another thing to consider is ChromeOS. The chrome books have come a long way, in particular the Samsung Chromebook Plus/Pro and can be had for cheap. If all she is doing is mail and email, then it will suffice just fine along with that it provides touch screen and pen input. If that's out, go back and review her required apps.
    08-07-2017 09:09 PM
  8. Panzer105's Avatar
    Hey folks - serious (for me!) question.

    My mom is looking at getting a new computer. She's no computer expert, but can get her way around most systems no problem.

    Question is - what would you recommend... A Windows PC or Mac? I know she's open to both - so if you have pros and cons for each it'd really help us make a decision!!

    Really appreciate the feedback in advance!
    I would say a long as your mom is on the current release version of Windows 10 it's every bit as stable as OSx. My Mom is not a techie either and she is happy with her Surface 3, for 99% of what she uses a computer for. If price is no big deal I would have her try similar actions on each device and the one she feels most comfortable with should be what she goes with. For my mom it was Windows 10. I stood back and let try each with NO input or hints and she was faster to do what she water on the PC Win10 than she was with OSx and a MAC. The apple people told me that was not fair because they felt she didn't understand how to run OSx I simply said if your OS is as user friendly as you say it is she should need help in figuring out how to do basic tasks. Needless to say she didn't see it being any more user friendly than Win10. By the way I did the same thing to her at the Microsoft store and she was at least able to open a web browser and the win 10 email app and the MS store.
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    08-08-2017 06:18 AM
  9. goncaloncpinto's Avatar
    My mom wanted a laptop a few months ago, so I went with her to a computer shop to buy her one, she tried both, I didn't tell her that I would prefer her to get a Windows 10 Laptop, so, she tried Windows 10 first and when she tried the Apple, she said that Windows was easier, and cheaper, so, we went for a Windows 10 Laptop, she is very happy with it and had no issues adapting herself to it.
    I had Macs before, and iPhone too, I regret every single penny I gave to Apple, they focus only in profits and the user is just a mean to get profit, Microsoft it's going from good to even better, the way they are dealing with Windows 10 is just amazing, everything users want, they are designing it to meet our requests and needs.
    Last edited by goncaloncpinto; 08-09-2017 at 05:44 AM.
    08-08-2017 08:22 AM
  10. Paul Duncan1's Avatar
    Hey folks - serious (for me!) question.

    My mom is looking at getting a new computer. She's no computer expert, but can get her way around most systems no problem.

    Question is - what would you recommend... A Windows PC or Mac? I know she's open to both - so if you have pros and cons for each it'd really help us make a decision!!

    Really appreciate the feedback in advance!
    My wife and I are 54, I have been using windows the early 90's (dos before that). Considering all the issues with Windows lately, after our last computer died two months ago we pulled a trigger and bought our first iMac and man are we BOTH happy we did.

    It works, so far everything is plug and play. It's very responsive and so far none of the constant issues that we had with Windows.

    Bottom line......... Go with a Mac.
    08-08-2017 09:12 AM
  11. excalibur1814's Avatar
    Actually ask her what SHE would like! Take her to the store to see the machines as Win 10 and MacOS are hardly light years different.
    neo158 and goncaloncpinto like this.
    08-08-2017 09:51 AM
  12. bluefoam's Avatar
    My preferred ecosystem is Android... My phone and my tablet... The tablet is my entertainment centre and web browsing device, I also have a Nvidia Shield for media consumption and Android Auto in the car. Apple computers don't really want to work well with that scenario, so my work PC is a Surface Book. I'd like more Google apps, but the web based ones work fine.

    One of the main decisions should be based on software, price and availability... My IT guys in work didn't want to have to deal with a Mac, they were concerned with software cost, compatibility and ease of maintenance.

    I have to say, I'm impressed with Windows 10, it's nice and simple compared to previous versions, but the Surface Book is buggy and a week later my primary monitor is still stuck on miserably low resolution.

    If your mother just wants browsing, email and word-processing while managing her photos and stuff a Mac might suit fine, once you don't want more specific software. If she needs specific apps or anything more complex then Windows might be better.
    08-08-2017 10:49 AM
  13. Wolfgang Rainer's Avatar
    Tale as old as time...
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    08-08-2017 11:03 AM
  14. bluefoam's Avatar
    Btw, what phone does she have? If it's Apple go for a Mac, if it's Android or another, go for Windows...

    Apple is like a Canadian Tuxedo... You don't just wear a denim shirt... if you're going do that you also wear the jeans, denim converse etc... It's all or nothing. So if you have an Apple phone you go the whole way, get the Mac, the iTV, iPad, Apple Buds headphones etc. And you put one of those tacky white stickers on the back of your car...
    08-08-2017 11:26 AM
  15. TgeekB's Avatar
    My mom wanted a laptop a few months ago, so I went with her to a computer shop to buy her one, she tried both, I didn't tell her that I would prefer her to get a Windows 10 Laptop, so, she tried Windows 10 first and when she went for the Apple, she said that Windows was easier, and cheaper, so, we went for a Windows 10 Laptop, she is very happy with it and had no issues adapting herself to it.
    I had Macs before, and iPhone too, I regret every single penny I gave to Apple, they focus only in profits and the user is just a mean to get profit, Microsoft it's going from good to even better, the way they are dealing with Windows 10 is just amazing, everything users want, they are designing it to meet our requests and needs.
    Yes, because MS is not interested in profits and is only out to help humanity. Yes, I was purposely being sarcastic.
    08-08-2017 04:02 PM
  16. phxchristian's Avatar
    1. OS Upgrades are not at a cost for Windows 10 systems.
    2. Windows PC's are no less secure than any Macintosh out there.
    3. OS is very stable and reliable.
    4. You do have to make sure you don't just download anything out there, but that goes for a Mac too, but Mac's have in-built protections to ensure you don't download and launch something outside of the Mac Store (you have to Control Click to open the package and verify it's safe to run).
    5. Mid-range laptops are actually at 1080-1200p now. 768 screens are only on lowest end.
    Any computer is prone to hacking, updates help combat that. So keep your pc up to date and you'll have no problems. Your cons are probably happening to .001% of PC owners.

    This could have been written 5-6 years ago and maybe you'd have a point, but you need to get a PC to understand the updates.
    08-09-2017 02:41 AM
  17. goncaloncpinto's Avatar
    Yes, because MS is not interested in profits and is only out to help humanity. Yes, I was purposely being sarcastic.
    @TgeekB, if you open your eyes and make a quick research about projects for each of these companies and their history, you will be able to easily spot the difference. I know not everybody has the ability to make use of their brain, but at least try it.
    08-09-2017 05:48 AM
  18. InfiniteRestart's Avatar
    As a long time Windows fan, I hate to admit it, but I would say Mac. I've had nothing but problems with Windows 10 despite numerous wipes and clean installs on my SP3. I just can't recommend it for an average user. Microsoft is spending too much time trying to add cool features and not enough time getting the basics working properly. Not to mention they change things so frequently that the average person gets annoyed because what worked one way last month no longer does because, change.
    roystreet likes this.
    08-09-2017 06:09 AM
  19. TgeekB's Avatar
    @TgeekB, if you open your eyes and make a quick research about projects for each of these companies and their history, you will be able to easily spot the difference. I know not everybody has the ability to make use of their brain, but at least try it.
    Perhaps you'd like to enlighten us all.
    Not your perception, but some real peer reviewed research which I do on a daily basis.
    roystreet likes this.
    08-09-2017 07:47 AM
  20. orlbuckeye's Avatar
    Issue is MacOS has a limited number of options and Windows is available on many options. There are more models of Chrome books than Apple pc's. Someone I believe mention Linux which is only available on workstation configurations from the OEM's. Typically most Linux users buy a Windows machine and download and replace Windows with their flavor of Linux.
    08-09-2017 08:15 AM
  21. sanjula01's Avatar
    I guess Windows would be more than sufficient for your Mom, unless she has invested in the Apple ecosystem, that is.
    08-09-2017 10:45 AM
  22. roystreet's Avatar
    I agree with real0395...What is she used to? If she's used to Windows, even though she maybe open to both, Windows will be what she's most comfortable with. Therefore, more partial to. The 2 OS's are similar, but different. Someone mentioned no right click & I personally used to right clicking. But...MAC can do the same with a 2 finger tap. I believe you can also configure a mouse that has a right click feature, so I don't think that will make that much of a difference. A track pad for the MAC is more powerful than any I've found on a Windows computer. Those are just a couple of things that are different.

    The point about OS support is somewhat not true. Both will support hardware sets up to a certain time frame. Windows 10 isn't supported on all previous hardware sets. One is & has been a free update to the next version for years which is MAC. Windows on the other hand has thru the years mostly required a charge for an update. Although that's different at this time, either company may change it's philosophy at anytime.

    If you come from MAC to Windows or Windows to MAC there will be a learning curve. Someone may come from a MAC & say, why can't I perform this double-tap function on my new Windows machine that I could do on my MAC...Then you advise them, oh, just right-click.

    I have found that MS appears to be slowly moving towards a full on subscription service which may entail a yearly fee, like Office 365 has done.

    Windows:

    PROS:
    -Countless Apps available
    -Most software is free out there (That doesn't mean most of them are good )
    -Most hardware support available
    -OS updates free (For how long is the question)
    -Touch/Stylus Support
    -Tablet to PC supported (You can take your hybrid from Tablet to PC mode)

    CONS:
    -Still questionable how long updates will be free
    -OS has become more locked down...User has less control - Essentially requires all fixes, even if you don't want them.
    -OS has become more intrusive appears to want to advertise in OS
    -OS crashes, although much less than the past
    -Although lots of hardware is supported, you will have more problems with drivers, compatibility
    -Still have somewhat of a sense of I'm using BETA software - Not as much as previously


    MAC:

    PROS:
    -OS updates free
    -Solid/High Quality Hardware
    -Excellent/Fluid (Great Eye Candy) GUI
    -Amazing battery life
    -Quick boot up & log on
    -Few OS crashes
    -Hardware made to support MAC basically always works w/o compatibility issues

    CONS:
    -No touch/stylus support without 3rd party hardware/software
    -Expensive
    -Fewer Apps available (Not nearly as many as Windows)
    -No tablet to PC mode (You want a tablet, you use iOS - Of course this is without 3rd party hardware/software support)
    -Some MS software isn't as full featured as it is on a PC (Example, MS Office is powerful, but not as powerful as it is on Windows)


    Windows 10 is much more optimized for touch, but it still isn't fully optimized for touch - So, you will find things that are just clunky. MAC isn't optimized for touch at all...Period. They don't want it to be. Obviously I want touch/stylus support!

    Overall, there's what she's used to & what she will use it for. I agree that it appears (My opinion) like they are putting less effort into MAC & more into iOS. Although they still are putting a lot into the MAC. I would say the future competition (Esp hybrid) will be between iOS & Windows (Maybe on ARM) The iPad is becoming more advanced & surprisingly more competitive with Windows hybrids. What's more 'powerful'? It matters what your needs are.

    That all being said, I trust Apple support & their OS being a more complete OS(Much fewer problems) I'm surprised when I find my MAC having an issue. I'm never surprised when my Surface Pro 3 crashes or has some type of issue. Ultimately, as a very experienced Windows user, I would say get the MAC. It's a worthy long term investment. Unless you're willing to jump into iOS world
    TgeekB likes this.
    08-09-2017 03:07 PM
  23. hafttheworld's Avatar
    I think Windows. It is easier to use and to support also has a better ecosystem
    08-17-2017 08:54 PM
  24. TechFreak1's Avatar
    Windows 10 S or Windows 10 Pro so you can troubleshoot with advanced tools. I would recommend everyone to stay away from Windows 10 Home due to the inability to use advanced tools like group policy editor to troubleshoot.

    Furthermore most of her social circle are most likely to be using Windows PCs / Laptops and not Macs as they are far cheaper.
    08-31-2017 01:01 PM
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