10-12-2017 05:29 AM
136 1234 ...
tools
  1. Axel Ridd's Avatar
    Articles about dead Windows 10 are not far
    10-03-2017 10:03 AM
  2. Gonzalo Ruiz's Avatar
    Hi, i from Argentina and sorry for my bad English I have a Hp elite x3 , Surface pro 3, (Nuc with Windows 10 pro) Xbox One S, Xbox 360 Halo 4 ED and Microsoft band 2, but die sadly in workout...
    I paid Office 365, paid Xbox Live, EA Access, paid Groove and use Skype to international call and i see what Sadela do and i very angry, i hope he don't kill Xbox To.
    Aden Rossinni and amnesiality like this.
    10-03-2017 10:05 AM
  3. BB_Nicky86's Avatar
    I subscribe to Groove and Office 365 Personal. I have a Windows desktop, a Windows Table (Venue8 Pro from Dell), I've been using Windows Mobile/Phone since Windows Phone 7. There's my Xbox one with Xbox live. I also had a Microsoft Band.

    My band broke and Microsoft refunded me within the warranty period because they ran out of stock. My 950xl is feeling more useless as more apps either stop updates or pull out all together and my the final straw is Groove.

    At this point I'm ready to give up. I'll start using the iPhone 7 128gb work provided me (used it for a month and I don't like it but Apple supports their products). I'll probably switch to standard office and buy some local network storage for all my photos etc.

    My question is, what's the next consumer product to get the axe? Why should I continue to invest in Microsoft if they aren't going to invest in the products we buy and support?

    I don't plan on buying the "surface phone" or whatever they will call their ultra mobile device. It will be WAY over priced and they will stop supporting it a year or two after launch. Just another waste of money.
    10-03-2017 10:06 AM
  4. JustinSalvato's Avatar
    I miss Steve Ballmer.
    10-03-2017 10:08 AM
  5. henilp89's Avatar
    I lost faith two years ago.. used to be a huge windows phone (nokia lumia) fan. Grew up using Microsoft product.. Switch to Android & macOS last year. I have no faith in Microsoft. They are just not innovating. They are so behind in every category that I care about.
    10-03-2017 10:09 AM
  6. PsychoSuperman's Avatar
    I hate to see the company fail consumers. There are those that claim that an Enterprise focus is more important, but ever since the iPhone, consumer devices have been leading the way the corporate environment. It's about mindshare, and folding up like this is just sad. Build momentum on one side with Xbox (the One X apparently has decent pre-orders) and Surface, but deprecate you offerings by abandoning the Disney Movie integration, Groove Music, and mobile in general.

    Satya claims its about seeing tail lights and never being able to keep up, but the answer is never to pull off the road. Apple was dead, and could never compete with MS in the 90s. If they gave up they would have never seen the success they currently have. Backing out of a business is a cop out, and leaves loyal users without a path to stay the course. I don't expect that Windows Mobile would have been at 20% now, but after the Nokia deal they could have pushed from 3% to 5% in the US. They had double digit market share in some countries.... It was a conscious effort to put zero dollars into marketing and letting the platform completely fail. 5%-10% of 2 billion users worldwide would be 100-200 million users. Hundreds of millions of people could have been using Cortana, Bing, Skype, etc, but that was deemed too much of a monetary drain.

    I think MS really needs to split like HP did and have a cloud/Enterprise team, and a consumer focused team lead by Panos. Gaining mindshare cannot be an afterthought, it needs to be a focus. If not there is no reason to support this company.
    10-03-2017 10:17 AM
  7. Kaymd's Avatar
    I think people are just overreacting. Chill out guys.
    Groove was not gaining traction, practically no one but windows mobile users knew about the service. Groove's fate is intertwined with that of WM10. Disappointing yes, but that does not mean "oh! MS is dead, Windows is dead!"
    For those that compare a Mac to a Windows PC, please always compare equal or equivalent specs. You don't buy a $200 laptop or el-cheapo tablet and expect it to perform as well as a $1000+ Mac or $700 iPad. No OS on earth will perform favorably with such a hardware disadvantage. At least you can get a $200 PC, that price point has actually opened the world to computing we do today. Heck, I even develop Android apps on my 'cheap' PC...
    MS is trying to streamline their focus - get rid of very weak ventures and bolster the mid and strong ones. Whether or not this is a good idea, time will tell.
    Wizzwith, ZantReve, raycpl and 2 others like this.
    10-03-2017 10:17 AM
  8. Peter Libbrecht's Avatar
    Microsoft is the new IBM. All it takes is some great server software from Google or Apple and a generation of kids that have never seen Windows, for Microsoft to loose on the Business front as well...
    10-03-2017 10:17 AM
  9. MacSide's Avatar
    I am deeply entrenched with Microsoft. I have Xbox One, Surface Pro (2017), Surface Pro 4, and every previous Surface device that I've gifted because of my newer products.

    I waited on the Surface Phone, but lost hope after the release of Samsung's Note 8.

    MS may come out with a Surface Phone, and I will evaluate at that time. I don't believe (at this time) I will follow with the Phone because of my Samsung Gear S3 smartwatches that I love.

    Do I love MS as I once felt about Apple? No. Apple's mantra is to make great products - and they do a good job at it. MS on the other hand is more bottom line focused. They produce solutions that they feel "will do". Excellence is not in "everything" they produce. They often produce products because of market potential, and once in the market will pull out if the dollars are not right.

    MS has a ton of products they can do a better job at. One in particular is OneNote. While a great application, there is so much more potential if MS would give the appropriate attention. Outlook is another example. MS's main focus is the Enterprise - not the end user as Apple.

    The MS products I have I enjoy and will look else where as the situation mandates. I've left the phone boat.
    henilp89 and rogerhew like this.
    10-03-2017 10:19 AM
  10. sinime's Avatar
    I've lost faith in MS.

    Canceled my Groove membership last night, no reason to let them keep 3 months of service fees when I can get it back now and move on with something else.

    As a consumer:
    Wife and I are going to switch to either iOS or Android (leaning to iOS, but want to see pixel news tomorrow and would like to compare the iPhone 8+ with the X once it's out). Going to make same recommendation to family and friends... Why buy a PC/notebook when you only need a tablet with a fruit logo on the back.

    As a developer:
    On the developer side, I'll continue releasing small updates, just to keep my developer account active and my UWP aps in the store, but I think I'm done. Going to shift my development efforts to iOS.

    As a gamer:
    Not sure on Xbox side. I was planning to get a One X in February... but now I'm not too sure. Didn't realize how useless the Forza 7 VIP pass is until after I purchased the Ultimate edition. Don't like where Turn 10/MS is going with these micro transactions. You've already got me paying $100 for a game and now you want to nickel and dime me even more??? And now with the Groove news, can a person really trust digital purchases from MS will be available in the future? Seriously debating picking up a PS4 instead of the One X.
    10-03-2017 10:19 AM
  11. fdruid's Avatar
    As stated so many times I like Windows and Windows Phone, my personal set up is a 950XL with dock, Surface Pro 4 with dock and this is my tablet/laptop/desktop, an Xbox One as the base for my entertainment system.

    I subscribe to Office 365, Xbox Live, Groove, Skype number and subs.

    Similar setups for my wife and family

    I do plan on buying the Xbox One X maybe just after the holidays. The main reason being 4K, I want to be able to watch 4k through the Xbox One (Netflix etc.) and improved games graphics.

    But then I cannot help but see a period of retrenchment from Microsoft products and services for me, this may not come into effect until midway into 2018 as my setup and my 950XL is currently working OK, but come next year I will probably have to jump ship on the phone front.

    If I do this, I know I can get MS products, software and services on Android or Mac systems (Already doing this on my work Samsung).

    But why on earth would I continue to give MS money for services when the competition is often better, certainly fleeter of foot when it comes to newer ideas. And more importantly integrated to the ecosystem. I currently use Groove because it is an MS product on MS/Windows devices and certainly not because it is the best music player out there. The same would go for most of the stuff I use.

    Anyone else planning a period of retrenchment from MS products and services unless MS manage to get their finger out and fast?
    I'm not gonna leave, but it's difficult when they seem to be killing important stuff. So I can understand that people leave, though there's still a lot to like in Microsoft services and devices, including mobile.

    I find it dreadful that without this 3rd alternative that Nadella deems "unnecessary", the only options for a user are either go all in with a company based on harvesting user information beyond their privacy (Google), or a company that's so closed in their vision that the only thing they sell is exclusivity and consumerism (Apple).

    I don't care for Google's policies, and I don't want to be an Apple sheep, having to buy a new phone every year. I like what Microsoft brings to the table in mobile, and I think that alternatives are important and healthy in every system and in life in general.
    10-03-2017 10:19 AM
  12. RHoudek2's Avatar
    Yes, faith gone. MS is fail after fail. I used to beat the drum that they were best and we should stop using Google, but now I can't. MS has lost my faith. I can't trust Google, so THANKS MS for pushing me toward Apple
    10-03-2017 10:20 AM
  13. FunGuy13's Avatar
    I agree...Even though I am in a MSFT ecosystem (WP, Surface, Office, Xbox, XBox Pass, Groove Pass, Win10 Touch Laptop, etc.) after 15 years on Windows Mobile/Windows Phone I'm throwing in the towel and will be replacing the 10 Windows Phone my family members are currently using with Samsung Galaxy Notes...the app situation, abandonment of WP, shuttering of Groove, Kinect, etc., etc., shows that MSFT is not interested in the consumer market anymore...I mean Nutella just recently changed his iPhone for an Android...if you go to a MSFT store you will find them selling Samsung Android Galaxy phones...that says it all...
    10-03-2017 10:22 AM
  14. Kaymd's Avatar
    I think people are just overreacting. Chill out guys.
    Groove was not gaining traction, practically no one but windows mobile users knew about the service. Groove's fate is intertwined with that of WM10. Disappointing yes, but that does not mean "oh! MS is dead, Windows is dead!"
    For those that compare a Mac to a Windows PC, please always compare equal or equivalent specs. You don't buy a $200 laptop or el-cheapo tablet and expect it to perform as well as a $1000+ Mac or $700 iPad. No OS on earth will perform favorably with such a hardware disadvantage. At least you can get a $200 PC, that price point has actually opened the world to computing we do today. Heck, I even develop Android apps on my 'cheap' PC...
    MS is trying to streamline their focus - get rid of very weak ventures and bolster the mid and strong ones. Whether or not this is a good idea, time will tell.
    10-03-2017 10:30 AM
  15. FunGuy13's Avatar
    I think people are just overreacting. Chill out guys.
    Groove was not gaining traction, practically no one but windows mobile users knew about the service. Groove's fate is intertwined with that of WM10. Disappointing yes, but that does not mean "oh! MS is dead, Windows is dead!"
    For those that compare a Mac to a Windows PC, please always compare equal or equivalent specs. You don't buy a $200 laptop or el-cheapo tablet and expect it to perform as well as a $1000+ Mac or $700 iPad. No OS on earth will perform favorably with such a hardware disadvantage. At least you can get a $200 PC, that price point has actually opened the world to computing we do today. Heck, I even develop Android apps on my 'cheap' PC...
    MS is trying to streamline their focus - get rid of very weak ventures and bolster the mid and strong ones. Whether or not this is a good idea, time will tell.

    MSFT has a pattern of abandoning major consumer services...they have no guts when it comes to marketing their consumer products...they innovate (1st tablets, Zune Players, Zune Music, etc.) then give up and give away the market to their competitors...
    10-03-2017 10:39 AM
  16. etphoto's Avatar
    No, the world isn't coming to an end because MS cancelled Groove, however, its just another piece of the puzzle and evidence MS doesn't care about its consumer space.
    10-03-2017 10:45 AM
  17. froi francisco's Avatar
    As stated so many times I like Windows and Windows Phone, my personal set up is a 950XL with dock, Surface Pro 4 with dock and this is my tablet/laptop/desktop, an Xbox One as the base for my entertainment system.

    I subscribe to Office 365, Xbox Live, Groove, Skype number and subs.

    Similar setups for my wife and family

    I do plan on buying the Xbox One X maybe just after the holidays. The main reason being 4K, I want to be able to watch 4k through the Xbox One (Netflix etc.) and improved games graphics.

    But then I cannot help but see a period of retrenchment from Microsoft products and services for me, this may not come into effect until midway into 2018 as my setup and my 950XL is currently working OK, but come next year I will probably have to jump ship on the phone front.

    If I do this, I know I can get MS products, software and services on Android or Mac systems (Already doing this on my work Samsung).

    But why on earth would I continue to give MS money for services when the competition is often better, certainly fleeter of foot when it comes to newer ideas. And more importantly integrated to the ecosystem. I currently use Groove because it is an MS product on MS/Windows devices and certainly not because it is the best music player out there. The same would go for most of the stuff I use.

    Anyone else planning a period of retrenchment from MS products and services unless MS manage to get their finger out and fast?
    In the sense that Microsoft is a consumer company, yes. They kept on frustrating us with half baked products and services.
    10-03-2017 10:47 AM
  18. froi francisco's Avatar
    As stated so many times I like Windows and Windows Phone, my personal set up is a 950XL with dock, Surface Pro 4 with dock and this is my tablet/laptop/desktop, an Xbox One as the base for my entertainment system.

    I subscribe to Office 365, Xbox Live, Groove, Skype number and subs.

    Similar setups for my wife and family

    I do plan on buying the Xbox One X maybe just after the holidays. The main reason being 4K, I want to be able to watch 4k through the Xbox One (Netflix etc.) and improved games graphics.

    But then I cannot help but see a period of retrenchment from Microsoft products and services for me, this may not come into effect until midway into 2018 as my setup and my 950XL is currently working OK, but come next year I will probably have to jump ship on the phone front.

    If I do this, I know I can get MS products, software and services on Android or Mac systems (Already doing this on my work Samsung).

    But why on earth would I continue to give MS money for services when the competition is often better, certainly fleeter of foot when it comes to newer ideas. And more importantly integrated to the ecosystem. I currently use Groove because it is an MS product on MS/Windows devices and certainly not because it is the best music player out there. The same would go for most of the stuff I use.

    Anyone else planning a period of retrenchment from MS products and services unless MS manage to get their finger out and fast?
    Losing hope? In the sense that Microsoft is a consumer company, yes. They kept on frustrating us with half baked products and services.
    10-03-2017 10:49 AM
  19. Joshua McAnnally's Avatar
    After MS announcement of killing off groove, i am about to jump ship and go to apple. I wanted and even began to believe i could trust MS eco system. It is awesome looks good, works mostly....but for how long? I can't get invested in something that will not last more than a ceo. This is the 2nd time I've been burned by the MS ecosystem and my friends with Apply ecosystems seem just fine.
    dgr_874, SA31 and anon(10329439) like this.
    10-03-2017 10:50 AM
  20. kingtigre's Avatar
    I choose the hardware I like first. The software that works on/supports that hardware gets my money. For the past few years the only company developing for all platforms has been Microsoft. But I can't say that I have 100% faith in them to continue doing that. Groove was my music service not because it was the best (IMO it was) but because it was everywhere I needed it to be. My phone, my Surface, my work computer, etc. Spotify technically does this right now, but on an unsupported app for my phone. I'm left with no alternative in this case. I can't get Google services on my phone or on my Surface (in native app form) so why give them my money. The hardware is key here. Software companies come and go. But my Surface is my professional life. Why would I bend over backwards to use a service that doesn't care if it works with my hardware or not?
    10-03-2017 10:52 AM
  21. etphoto's Avatar
    I choose the hardware I like first. The software that works on/supports that hardware gets my money. For the past few years the only company developing for all platforms has been Microsoft. But I can't say that I have 100% faith in them to continue doing that. Groove was my music service not because it was the best (IMO it was) but because it was everywhere I needed it to be. My phone, my Surface, my work computer, etc. Spotify technically does this right now, but on an unsupported app for my phone. I'm left with no alternative in this case. I can't get Google services on my phone or on my Surface (in native app form) so why give them my money. The hardware is key here. Software companies come and go. But my Surface is my professional life. Why would I bend over backwards to use a service that doesn't care if it works with my hardware or not?
    I think (without looking) Spotify is a UWA and there should be a supported mobile app for WP in the store. Moving the Spotify (which is probably a better music service anyways) isn't really the issue for me. Its just another Red Flag that MS (slowly but surely) is taking the same path as IBM.

    Twitter: @PhotographyET
    aximtreo likes this.
    10-03-2017 10:57 AM
  22. wpcautobot's Avatar
    I'm pretty upset with them right now about Groove mostly but things add up. What was one Neverending commitment to their services and products is now just a feeling of blah
    10-03-2017 10:57 AM
  23. Jcmg62's Avatar
    I'm beyond done with Microsoft. Abandoning Groove really is the last straw. Collectively, we as a community have been loyal to Microsoft and they're simply not worthy of that loyalty.

    They lie to us. All the time.

    Remember Satya Nadella saying we'd get three phones a year.

    Remember how many apps and services went to rival platforms while they completely ignored Windows.

    Groove is gone and there's every reason to believe that movies will follow.

    This is a company that has fully embraced the reality that they'll be more aligned to an IBM or Oracle than a Google or Apple in the very near future.

    There are no IBM phones. There is no Oracle laptop. These firms make big money without the consumer even knowing they exist.

    I, like the vast majority of you, have spent an incredible amount of time and money on Microsoft hardware and software.

    Why?

    They treat us like idiots because we let them.

    No more.
    10-03-2017 11:02 AM
  24. infinidim's Avatar
    As stated so many times I like Windows and Windows Phone, my personal set up is a 950XL with dock, Surface Pro 4 with dock and this is my tablet/laptop/desktop, an Xbox One as the base for my entertainment system.

    I subscribe to Office 365, Xbox Live, Groove, Skype number and subs.

    Similar setups for my wife and family

    I do plan on buying the Xbox One X maybe just after the holidays. The main reason being 4K, I want to be able to watch 4k through the Xbox One (Netflix etc.) and improved games graphics.

    But then I cannot help but see a period of retrenchment from Microsoft products and services for me, this may not come into effect until midway into 2018 as my setup and my 950XL is currently working OK, but come next year I will probably have to jump ship on the phone front.

    If I do this, I know I can get MS products, software and services on Android or Mac systems (Already doing this on my work Samsung).

    But why on earth would I continue to give MS money for services when the competition is often better, certainly fleeter of foot when it comes to newer ideas. And more importantly integrated to the ecosystem. I currently use Groove because it is an MS product on MS/Windows devices and certainly not because it is the best music player out there. The same would go for most of the stuff I use.

    Anyone else planning a period of retrenchment from MS products and services unless MS manage to get their finger out and fast?
    I have completely lost faith in Microsoft and their ability to produce a mobile phone operating system.
    Aden Rossinni likes this.
    10-03-2017 11:07 AM
  25. black ramm's Avatar
    I am definitely making plans to move away from the Microsoft ecosystem. Microsoft started to show real promise with several products and innovations, but as of late they have completely dropped the ball. The retrenchment of their mobile space, the killing off of many products etc. makes me very doubtful about their future, even with their established products. Look at it this way, when I look to invest in a company through buying stock I thoroughly check their history and their current state. Recently Microsoft has shown an inability to focus. They create and then cancel very promising products and technologies that some consumers buy into only to pull them leaving those who have invested high and dry. I am at a point where I need consistency and focus from a company as I am building out my ecosystem. It used to be Microsoft. Currently I am in the process of changing over to Google services. I don't think I have use for anything that Microsoft offers as suitable substitutes are available through Google. As I plan out our server and cloud backbone I do not have faith in Microsoft to be stable enough to provide what we need, which is a clear focus on providing services and support for the long term. So basically on the back end we will have Linux servers, with desktop support going to macs and a mixture of Android/Iphone for mobile needs. We will not need the O365 suite as Google services will be adequate. Microsoft needs new talent and blood to help them remain relevant. People who depend on their services need a customer focused company who will support them long term and not a company that constantly creates and kills their offerings without advanced warning or because they feel it doesn't "perform well". I recently read that Satya Nadella stated “I did not get why the world needed the third ecosystem in phones" Well I say this "I don't see why we need a third ecosystem in enterprise or productivity suites when Amazon and Google can provide a complete package from enterprise to mobility"
    10-03-2017 11:18 AM
136 1234 ...

Similar Threads

  1. VR REALITY ON THE X3??? is this possible????
    By beman39 in forum HP Elite x3
    Replies: 11
    Last Post: 10-04-2017, 01:52 PM
  2. Replies: 6
    Last Post: 10-01-2017, 05:21 AM
  3. Replies: 6
    Last Post: 09-30-2017, 08:13 AM
  4. Dxdll,steam api keep missing from device
    By redhuan697 in forum Windows 10
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 09-28-2017, 09:42 AM
  5. Transfer call history from one Windows Phone to another
    By jtpcamp in forum Windows 10 Mobile
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 09-27-2017, 08:27 PM
LINK TO POST COPIED TO CLIPBOARD