11-01-2017 12:03 AM
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  1. e94mli's Avatar
    Switching back to Spotify would be easy if the apps actually worked on Windows. Not just talking about mobile but regular Windows as well. Spotify still doesn't play on a Surface Pro when the screen turns off and it goes into connected standby. The only reason I've been subscribing to Groove were the apps. One might think they would have made Spotify fix their apps for Windows and phone in exchange for the promotion but that doesn't seem to be the case. Now I'm going to miss the the Groove apps, but not the service, and be pissed with Microsoft for not making Spotify work before forcing it on us.
    Gooldan and SpinelessWonder like this.
    10-07-2017 12:54 PM
  2. cool8man's Avatar
    Do people recommend the $10 Spoticast app in the app store. It seems to be a legitimate UWP app unlike the pure garbage that Spotify has produced for Windows.
    10-07-2017 12:56 PM
  3. Gooldan's Avatar
    I'm giving up on Microsoft and I will be moving to Google service. Not because I don't want to use there service, it is because I don't believe in them anymore when it comes to consumer space. For now on the only thing I will use from Microsoft is Windows 10, and find replacement for Groove,Skype,Xbox,movies and tv and maybe onedrive.
    10-07-2017 01:07 PM
  4. anon(10272511)'s Avatar
    I was really pissed, but after they refunded me with Microsoft Credit (I used Bing to get me a year pass) I was happy. I've switched to Google Play Music at the moment and enjoy it
    10-07-2017 01:16 PM
  5. IzaacJ's Avatar
    Well I guess Microsoft pulled the plug on Groove Music Pass. I'm sure they did it for all the right reasons and it made business sense to do so -- at least I hope.

    Looks like the Groove App will remain in tact and isn't going anywhere, but the ability to search and download and seamlessly add music to playlists, along with its seamless integration across my desktop, tablet, android phone, and xbox is going bye-bye.

    Looks like they'll be "partnering" with Spotify. Not quite sure what "partnering" means, because you have to go use their software, their app, and while it looks and feels like Groove, I'm not sure what is going to happen to all my songs I've had since 2001. My library is huge.

    I've been using Groove Music Pass since 2014, so I haven't bought any songs. I must have hundreds of Music Pass songs. All of which are integrated into my playlists. So I've got songs that are 10 years old, that I out-right own, and I've got other songs that are Music pass only. I understand Groove is porting all of my Music Pass music over to Spotify, which is fine, but what about the songs I own out-right? Do I just have parsed playlists now?

    If they were really "partnering" with Spotify, they'd integrate the streaming service into Groove and keep everything seamless.

    Sad to see Groove grow with the fluent design, adding music videos, the album art...all of that. Only to be chopped at the knees.

    Anyhow, I'm just grieving and venting. Nothing more than that.
    I'm seriously starting to lose all my faith in Microsoft. With the non-existing phones, decline in quality in a lot of their services, and now, the death of THE one thing I was happy to use and was working perfectly, Groove Music.

    What about the awesome Groove Music integration in Forza Horizon 3? That's a real lifesaver cause the in-game stations are crap when it comes to my taste of music.

    I think Microsoft should go all-in to not disappoint loyal Groove subscribers (like myself, since 2010, that's 7 YEARS of subscribing to Xbox/Groove Music Pass) and gift us with a couple of free months of Spotify premium, and yeah, I am serious. I dislike Spotify, always have, always will, which is why I happily neglected and Spotify and other similar services, and also got quite a few people to switch over from Spotify to Groove Music. Some has just recently done this.

    This does not only hurt peoples faith in Microsoft, but also the faith for those who promote everything Microsoft, including dev tools, software, music, video, gaming and office.

    It seems Microsoft is determined to get rid of all consumer focused services and the trust for the few consumer services that will stay alive, and focus mainly on corporate services and applications.
    10-07-2017 01:18 PM
  6. Manus Imperceptus's Avatar
    I loved Groove back when I still had my 950XL; now that I've had to switch to Android (ZTE Axon 7), Groove is pretty useless, since I only play my own music stored on my Micro SD card. I've yet to find something that works as well on Android as Groove worked on Windows Phone, so all in all a big bummer, but with limited Groove usability on Android, I don't really care all that much...
    10-07-2017 01:26 PM
  7. scumdogmillionaire's Avatar
    Am I sad? No. But it's the last time I've been abandoned by Microsoft and will definitely stop investing in anything that's not Windows, Office or Azure. Because if it's not one of those three things, it can (and will) be killed without a moments notice.

    I've used Groove Music Pass since it was Zune Music Pass. And I have three, yes, three, annual subscriptions since there was no family plan. So they were getting all sorts of money out of me.

    However, I had recently started investing in Amazon Echo, and have several Echo/Echo Dots around the house. So, without Groove support there, the decision was becoming easier and easier to just move to Amazon Music Unlimited. I did try Spotify yesterday, which seemed cool, but a family on Spotify with Echo's didn't work great. Could basically only play music on one device at a time. So if I'm listening on my office Echo, as soon as my daughter starts listening to music on hers, I get booted off. So... that's a non-starter and will go all in on Amazon Music.

    Anyways, the list of things Microsoft has left me feeling like a chump on is lengthy. Most recently Microsoft Band, Windows Phone and Surface RT. All of which I recommended to friends and family, then I look like an idito. So... I'm done with Microsoft as a consumer. As a professional, Azure is amazing. Office is irreplaceable, and I develop for .NET so Windows is kind of where it's at with Visual Studio. However, with Visual Studio for Mac now, there is little holding me hostage on Windows now.
    10-07-2017 01:42 PM
  8. Mr_Atomic's Avatar
    Initially I was peeved, but I moved over to Spotify and I can see why Microsoft are doing what they did. Spotify is a fully realized service and I've signed up.
    The main thing that bothers me with Microsoft's recent actions in the shuttering of their services, products, etc... is their seemingly lack of commitment to the everyday consumer products, services, etc... I understand not holding onto a money losing proposition, but you can't always hit a home run every time at bat. Sometimes a single and/or a double is just as good.
    SpinelessWonder likes this.
    10-07-2017 01:58 PM
  9. Bigsteelguy's Avatar
    Yeah I am, I love Groove music, and I think it's a terrible move by Microsoft. So now people won't be able to play their favorite Playlists on their Xbox. It's basically effecting their Xbox platform. I was using Groove music mostly on my phone but also on the Xbox one and my PC with 400 watt speakers.
    10-07-2017 02:07 PM
  10. theefman's Avatar
    No one should be doing anything but buying their own physical music and at the very least backing up any digital downloads. These companies will remove items you've already paid for without warning and leave you high while happily taking your money for other purchases. For me OneDrive is my secondary backup for streaming while my main backup is my home server.




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    10-07-2017 02:19 PM
  11. Monte Constable1's Avatar
    Sad to see it go, but it make total sense. It is just not making money.
    10-07-2017 02:24 PM
  12. Danjp's Avatar
    For me it come down to cost, with my plan ending in August and my wife's plan ending here soon I was already looking at other options that provided a family plan pricing. I think spotify would be great if it added overdrive integration, it would definitely be my number one choice then.
    10-07-2017 02:38 PM
  13. badtzbuzz's Avatar
    I have nothing but foul things to say...just bought my daughter alcatel idol 4s to replace her broken 950xl....one week later, groove dies.

    Spend more money on advertising...like they did with Surface a few years ago.
    10-07-2017 02:39 PM
  14. sweatshopking's Avatar
    I have never subscribed to a monthly radio program, so this change doesn't impact me greatly, except that it's another in a long line of disappointing anti-ecosystem moves. Microsoft is abandoning users left and right and i'm now buying my first android phone ever for my wife. I don't like google, but at least they support their stuff.
    10-07-2017 03:07 PM
  15. bellyer's Avatar
    I'm very sad to see Groove go. I'm just plain sad about most consumer-focused Microsoft stuff these days really. I've tried multiple smart watches and fitness bands since the Microsoft Band was killed off and can't find anything as good as the Band. 2 was. Now, I've picked up a Samsung Galaxy S8 to move away from Windows 10 phone (Lumia 950) and, aside from having many more apps, the Android OS is horrible compared to Win10. Microsoft really has had some great stuff over the past few years for consumers and it really sucks to see the direction they seem to be going with less emphasis on consumers. I will really miss Groove!
    10-07-2017 03:11 PM
  16. vagelis milonas1's Avatar
    the real question is how long spotify will work on windows 10 mobile??? most of the big names are running away from the platform... 6 months??? 1 year???
    10-07-2017 03:13 PM
  17. fdruid's Avatar
    Well I guess Microsoft pulled the plug on Groove Music Pass. I'm sure they did it for all the right reasons and it made business sense to do so -- at least I hope.

    Looks like the Groove App will remain in tact and isn't going anywhere, but the ability to search and download and seamlessly add music to playlists, along with its seamless integration across my desktop, tablet, android phone, and xbox is going bye-bye.

    Looks like they'll be "partnering" with Spotify. Not quite sure what "partnering" means, because you have to go use their software, their app, and while it looks and feels like Groove, I'm not sure what is going to happen to all my songs I've had since 2001. My library is huge.

    I've been using Groove Music Pass since 2014, so I haven't bought any songs. I must have hundreds of Music Pass songs. All of which are integrated into my playlists. So I've got songs that are 10 years old, that I out-right own, and I've got other songs that are Music pass only. I understand Groove is porting all of my Music Pass music over to Spotify, which is fine, but what about the songs I own out-right? Do I just have parsed playlists now?

    If they were really "partnering" with Spotify, they'd integrate the streaming service into Groove and keep everything seamless.

    Sad to see Groove grow with the fluent design, adding music videos, the album art...all of that. Only to be chopped at the knees.

    Anyhow, I'm just grieving and venting. Nothing more than that.
    Really sad, disappointed, and angry. A major letdown, and it's hard proof of Microsoft not caring about their customers/fans, few or many as they might be.
    10-07-2017 03:24 PM
  18. Henk Badenhorst's Avatar
    Well I guess Microsoft pulled the plug on Groove Music Pass. I'm sure they did it for all the right reasons and it made business sense to do so -- at least I hope.

    Looks like the Groove App will remain in tact and isn't going anywhere, but the ability to search and download and seamlessly add music to playlists, along with its seamless integration across my desktop, tablet, android phone, and xbox is going bye-bye.

    Looks like they'll be "partnering" with Spotify. Not quite sure what "partnering" means, because you have to go use their software, their app, and while it looks and feels like Groove, I'm not sure what is going to happen to all my songs I've had since 2001. My library is huge.

    I've been using Groove Music Pass since 2014, so I haven't bought any songs. I must have hundreds of Music Pass songs. All of which are integrated into my playlists. So I've got songs that are 10 years old, that I out-right own, and I've got other songs that are Music pass only. I understand Groove is porting all of my Music Pass music over to Spotify, which is fine, but what about the songs I own out-right? Do I just have parsed playlists now?

    If they were really "partnering" with Spotify, they'd integrate the streaming service into Groove and keep everything seamless.

    Sad to see Groove grow with the fluent design, adding music videos, the album art...all of that. Only to be chopped at the knees.

    Anyhow, I'm just grieving and venting. Nothing more than that.
    I am grieving about the demise of the Windows Phone an would most probably revert to the stalwart: Nokia in due course!
    10-07-2017 03:44 PM
  19. jason hendry1's Avatar
    Well I guess Microsoft pulled the plug on Groove Music Pass. I'm sure they did it for all the right reasons and it made business sense to do so -- at least I hope.

    Looks like the Groove App will remain in tact and isn't going anywhere, but the ability to search and download and seamlessly add music to playlists, along with its seamless integration across my desktop, tablet, android phone, and xbox is going bye-bye.

    Looks like they'll be "partnering" with Spotify. Not quite sure what "partnering" means, because you have to go use their software, their app, and while it looks and feels like Groove, I'm not sure what is going to happen to all my songs I've had since 2001. My library is huge.

    I've been using Groove Music Pass since 2014, so I haven't bought any songs. I must have hundreds of Music Pass songs. All of which are integrated into my playlists. So I've got songs that are 10 years old, that I out-right own, and I've got other songs that are Music pass only. I understand Groove is porting all of my Music Pass music over to Spotify, which is fine, but what about the songs I own out-right? Do I just have parsed playlists now?

    If they were really "partnering" with Spotify, they'd integrate the streaming service into Groove and keep everything seamless.

    Sad to see Groove grow with the fluent design, adding music videos, the album art...all of that. Only to be chopped at the knees.

    Anyhow, I'm just grieving and venting. Nothing more than that.
    It's really simple. If you have a player and store that can't even read your media Content, like your music and video files, or a sd card on the best selling phone of 2016_2017 the Samsung s7 and edge then why does. Microsoft think groove could succeed. It's like having a browser that the user can't open new tabs directly. To their home page like all the other browser can. First groove and then it'll be edge next and why, we'll they are both good products but when Microsoft doesn't even give them. The basic essential functionality laity required then they ain't going to sit well with users. We'll done Microsoft.
    10-07-2017 03:59 PM
  20. Akira X's Avatar
    what does this mean for the groove integration in Forza as one of your in car music sources? Time for a patch eh?
    10-07-2017 04:04 PM
  21. smoheath's Avatar
    I'm super sad about it. I used it daily on my work computer and my pixel phone. I feel like the recommendation section was spot on. I have been able to find really good stuff every week. Plus I just used my search credits to pay for it. overall it has cost me like $20 over 2 years. But then again, it's probably subscribers like me that made them drop the service since I basically didn't pay for it...
    10-07-2017 04:24 PM
  22. SimonMelb's Avatar
    I was looking forward to the Harmon Kardon Cortana speaker, without Groove its dead to me. I can't believe Microsoft doesn't want to have a presence in Music. Pretty much all devices are becoming mobile, music is mobile, without a presence of their own in music, they are dead, ever if they ever try reentering the market. I just bought a HP Elite X3 and used Groove a lot, now trying to get my money back and hand this POS back.
    I won't be buying anything Microsoft again, I've been bitten by them far too many times now.
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    10-07-2017 04:25 PM
  23. Darkly Pure's Avatar
    This pretty much the straw that broke the Camels back for me. I'm a Web Developer entrenched in the Microsoft world. Development wise I love Microsoft but, Christ, they really don't know how to treat their supporters. I've been a Groove/Xbox Music/Zune subscriber for some years and loved Groove. I understand, if it was costing them pots of money, cutting the service, but what really sticks in my craw and adds insult to injury is the way they've announced it. I mean, come on, 'We're excited to announce a new partnership' etc. etc. displays a lack of sensitivity of the highest order. So basically they're really saying. We're excited to announce that we're abandoning you, the people who've stuck with us through thick and thin. It beggars belief. What makes it worse, if anything could make it worse, is the fact that Cortana on my Lumia insists (on requesting it to play my music) on attempting to play my music through Groove. In my developer guise, I've been to one too many Microsoft do's where they've stated... 'We have to cater for where the market is' each time someone has asked why they don't support their own bits and pieces. I'm seriously starting to think, 'what's the point, why should I bother with this company'? For a company that must have a lot of clever people in it, they really really act dumb. I've just received an e-mail encouraging me to purchase a series from their store which they should know that I'm highly unlikely to do now that I know they'll probably cancel that service too.
    10-07-2017 04:29 PM
  24. Anthony Morgan's Avatar
    As a Stage Crew Adviser at a high school, Groove was one of the best ways to integrate music and sound effects to create playlists for events, assemblies, and award presentations. Being able to draw from One Drive and Microsoft's Music Catalog allowed me to use current hits that the school kids liked with almost 20 years of collected sound effects.

    I have to admit, I am thoroughly puzzled by the decisions being made both at Microsoft and by many consumers, so these thoughts could be skewed.

    Microsoft says that the future is in the cloud, but I live on earth. Consumers need devices (computers, smart phones, tablets, iot devices) to connect the earth to the cloud.

    Microsoft Innovations
    1983 HP pc with a touch screen running MS-DOS
    1990 Speech Recognition (Dragon Dictate) comes to Windows
    1992 MS releases Windows for Pen Computing (Win 3.1 based)
    1996 MS releases Windows CE, an OS for robots, industrial controllers, gas station pumps, voting machines, kiosks, POS terminals, video games, medical equipment, digital music players, interactive televisions, Internet appliances, cameras, etc.
    1996 HP OmniGo smartphone could run MS DOS 5.0 and early versions of WINDOWS!
    1996 Intellimouse with scroll wheel - integrated with OFFICE 97 (the first scroll wheel mouse appeared in 1995)
    1998 AutoPC - First Automotive Operating System (developed with Clarion)
    2002 Visual Studio and C# released
    2007 Live Search for Windows Mobile with SPEECH RECOGNITION (3 years before Siri)
    2010 Kinnect sells 8 million units in 60 days
    2015 Hololens shown off to the public
    2016 Hololens Developer version ships

    Yet they are now giving up control of their future. Platform MATTERS! They are letting Apple, Google, Facebook and Amazon control the connection between the users/consumers and Microsoft's services. This would be like having to walk through a McDonalds to get to a Burger King, oh and the McDonalds' manager has the keys to the doors.

    As I see it Microsoft is heading down one of two paths:
    A) A continual retrenchment that shrinks MS's footprint and relevance in the world that will have them conforming to the companies that will control the consumers access to their services, or
    B) A complete rethinking of how technology fits into our lives, including the devices that connect the earth to the cloud.

    With his pattern of choices so far, including the shutting down of Groove Music Pass, I fear they are following Path A.

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    10-07-2017 04:30 PM
  25. AMcDWeb's Avatar
    Two points.

    1. Let me ask a simple question. Did Groove fail due to Microsoft's diminishing footprint in Mobile? If the assumption is a simple "yes" because everyone uses their phones like old fashioned iPods then it tells us something else about Microsoft. They cannot have a singe ambition, or simply think they cannot, or will never compete again in the global consumer mobile marketplace. Simple as that, else you wouldn't kill your music service at this point in time if you had the next big thing waiting just around the corner.

    2. Microsoft are no longer prepared to grind out consumer market share. Windows mobile had built up 10% of sales in some countries, even iPhone sales are not much greater in some territories. Look at the band, they had two simple issues to fix, make the straps stronger and fix the battery connectors. People would have been happy with Band 2.1 and wait another year for Band 3. If you destroy consumer confidence in your products and lack commitment then don't be surprised when nobody buys anything you make anymore.
    cool8man likes this.
    10-07-2017 04:35 PM
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