11-01-2017 12:03 AM
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  1. constantreader16's Avatar
    My issue with Groove going away is it seemed like it was the only honest to god part of Windows 10 that Microsoft even cared about. It was constantly getting updates, I think it was still the only mobile app that let you swipe in from the side (wtf Microsoft, every app on android and iOS lets you do that...), it looked great, there were constantly new features, etc.

    The Skype app is garbage, especially as a SMS app on Mobile. I still use it right now, but it's on my secondary phone and it is nothing short of atrocious when it comes to SMS.

    Movies & TV is alright, but nothing super special there. I don't really buy movies from the store, so I don't care about it. It at least seems to get some love.

    Photos is another app that actually has gotten a lot of work and seems to work well, but there is only so much you can do with it.

    Outlook Mail and Calendar has for the most part been left behind, but it works very well. No complaints, just no outstanding anything about the effort Microsoft put in.

    Point is, it was consistently the only app that they actually seemed to care about, and then they killed it. It's still pretty much the only service that had any focus on you listening to music you purchased not in a digital store, and that's why I liked it so much.
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    10-07-2017 05:25 PM
  2. Stephen Townsley's Avatar
    Groove and the music service were one of the many consumer services Microsoft built, badly marketed, rebooted, rebooted again, didn't market and then closed.

    It wasn't a core business but like other non-core activities it was built around the idea of ecosystems. Walled gardens of services to lock you in.

    However some of these services were too walled in. Music was "upgraded" to Windows 8 applications that were built like fisher price toys. Key marketing like a family plan were not included. The service wasn't global and was presented on devices that a minority of Windows users were using.

    Also users were playing more music on mobile and the failure of mobile further diminished user numbers.

    Microsoft's foray into consumer was always sat on top of indifference, poor marketing, late implementation, buggy software and flawed strategy. This stands against laser focus in the enterprise space.

    With effort they could have developed compelling services but there is no effort being expended just money in the wrong direction to be successful in consumer.

    Nadella's enterprise only strategy has doubled the share price and increased profit. Wall Street are happy. People who supported Microsoft's ecosystem as consumers have been pushed to other services.
    10-07-2017 05:40 PM
  3. rogerhew's Avatar
    It is a bad move on MS part and like a bad dream for me.
    10-07-2017 06:20 PM
  4. madchadmi's Avatar
    i think it is okay because spotify is awesome. microsoft should buy spotify
    10-07-2017 06:21 PM
  5. Random Thoughts's Avatar
    Let's put it this way. After the experiences I've had trying to get my remaining 25-months credited back to my account I will no longer be investing into any Microsoft ecosystem when that's a feasible option.

    I say that as a nearly 20-year veteran of Microsoft having worked on Xbox and related teams for a majority of my on-campus working career.

    I'm friends with many of the folks in support, Groove, Xbox, Windows, Office, etc.

    I know these people. I've been camping with them. I've been white-water rafting with them. I've been there for proposals, weddings, births...so it's a sad day for me when I can say that I no longer want to support my friends teams. I can't because I can't trust that corporate won't yank the rug out and then try to leave customers high and dry like they are doing with me.

    It's ridiculous.
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    10-07-2017 06:36 PM
  6. GamesAreOk's Avatar
    Correct

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    10-07-2017 07:06 PM
  7. Aden Rossinni's Avatar
    It's TERRIBLE. I know that what they have done has been solely done on the grounds of money, and that is disgusting. This will come back to bite them on the ***. Is Spotify making money? No, and if a profit this year - low. Rome wasn't built in a day Microsoft. Just as Groove has become the best service both aesthetically and function wise. Easy to use, great between all devices, the pen and photo application of albums, and now they just f###ing pull the plug. MS needs to listen to what people want and not make **** up in their mind. Weak. Weak. Weak. The arguments people post about it not being viable is bull****. Otherwise Surface devices wouldn't exist today. Dickheads. Yes, I'm pissed because now I'm being forced to go to Spotify. Yuck. Terrible on mobile.
    10-07-2017 07:15 PM
  8. badtzbuzz's Avatar
    i think it is okay because spotify is awesome. microsoft should buy spotify
    Enterprise doesn't need a music service... So it's not likely they really buy Spotify. They bought LinkedIn, not Twitter.

    Message is pretty clear... Remaining PC and Education services are to lock in habits for Enterprise....Office, 365, Windows 10, etc.

    Not sure what use the Cortana speaker will be for?
    Toby Simpson likes this.
    10-07-2017 08:29 PM
  9. SvenJ's Avatar
    Bummed, as I use Groove every single day on my desktop for background music and with my iPhone and Pixel. I understand Groove will continue and be able to play local and OneDrive resident tracks. No is the time for MS to do something right. If I am playing Groove in my office and wander to some other room and start Groove, when I get back to the office, it has stopped playing because 'it is playing somewhere else.' OK that's a licensing thing, can't stream two different places (unless you have figured out how to do a family plan like every other service). Now, though, all Groove will only play what I already own. SO, how about getting rid of that one instance restriction? MS isn't renting my the tracks and paying royalties per track on my own music, so no reason to restrict my playing it. How about it MS?
    10-07-2017 08:36 PM
  10. Yangstax's Avatar
    Well I guess Microsoft pulled the plug on Groove Music Pass. I'm sure they did it for all the right reasons and it made business sense to do so -- at least I hope.

    Looks like the Groove App will remain in tact and isn't going anywhere, but the ability to search and download and seamlessly add music to playlists, along with its seamless integration across my desktop, tablet, android phone, and xbox is going bye-bye.

    Looks like they'll be "partnering" with Spotify. Not quite sure what "partnering" means, because you have to go use their software, their app, and while it looks and feels like Groove, I'm not sure what is going to happen to all my songs I've had since 2001. My library is huge.

    I've been using Groove Music Pass since 2014, so I haven't bought any songs. I must have hundreds of Music Pass songs. All of which are integrated into my playlists. So I've got songs that are 10 years old, that I out-right own, and I've got other songs that are Music pass only. I understand Groove is porting all of my Music Pass music over to Spotify, which is fine, but what about the songs I own out-right? Do I just have parsed playlists now?

    If they were really "partnering" with Spotify, they'd integrate the streaming service into Groove and keep everything seamless.

    Sad to see Groove grow with the fluent design, adding music videos, the album art...all of that. Only to be chopped at the knees.

    Anyhow, I'm just grieving and venting. Nothing more than that.
    10-07-2017 09:35 PM
  11. chriswong13's Avatar
    Sure, Groove was a great service and I like it a lot. I'm not that big on radio, so listening to full artist albums all the time was great for me. I use radio on any music service sparingly, but it did happen to turn me onto some new artists that I now listen to all of the time.

    Spotify has a limit of 10,000 songs in your collection, which sucks because I have over 15,000 in my Groove collection. My workaround is to not save any albums or songs, and I just follow all of the artists I want - with Spotify Premium, I can still play any full albums I want.
    10-07-2017 09:59 PM
  12. JasonH81's Avatar
    Sad, yes, and getting nervous about Microsoft's consumer focus.
    SimonMelb and Blomsternisse like this.
    10-07-2017 11:02 PM
  13. Dodheimsgard's Avatar
    I had been a Microsoft supporter since the Zune days when I was in high school. I had always hated Apple for their anti-consumer pricing (I always called Apple the "dark side"). The Zune software was miles ahead of iTunes in both design and function. I was so sad when they discontinued Zune, but at least I was able to use the Zune player on desktop until they bought Groove Music. After the Windows 8 debacle, seeing all the hype about Windows 10 had me all excited. Started using Groove, then my Android phone at the time crapped out on me, so I decided to go with a Lumia 950. W10M was such a nice organized OS, but the app support was so lacking.

    Having the Groove Music Pass on W10M was perfect, but the lack of other apps, mainly app=based tech, eventually drew me away from W10M back to Android. I used Groove for only two months on Android before dropping it. The app was always locking up, causing force closes, shoddy connection, a weird virtualizer-like sound effect that drove me nuts, and the biggest one: no local playback. Having to use 2 different music apps is absolutely backwards.

    It is kinda sad to see Groove Music streaming go, it kinda brings back sad memories of the death of Zune. But given the other products that Microsoft has introduced and killed (Windows RT, Windows 10 Mobile, SYNC, Kinect, unlimited OneDrive storage, Microsoft Band), my sorrow for Groove Music is more of a pity. Given that Cortana and Alexa can talk to each other now, it makes me wonder about the future of the Harmon?Kardon Evoke speaker, and when/if Microsoft will cannibalize Cortana for Alexa. They certainly don't know how to endow their consumer base with trust in their products.

    Groove angered me so much, last month I made the switch to the "dark side" and got a subscription to Apple Music. It's just as fluid in design as Groove AND has iCloud Music Library, so my giant discography can be wherever without having to pay for extra cloud storage. In fact, I liked Apple Music so much, I returned my Android phone and bought an iPhone, something me a decade ago would scoff at. But all the Apple hype actually isn't without warrant. Things ACTUALLY work and are supported. Turns out there is a light on the "dark side" after all.
    10-07-2017 11:09 PM
  14. Riopato's Avatar
    Been a music pass user since Zune Desktop. Beyond pissed about this decision since Xbox Music and Groove Music was never a respectable replacement for Zune Desktop or it's mobile app version. Now I'm stuck with a music player that only streams without a streaming service, can't rip CDs and can't purchase music from it
    Were long time users given an option to purchase their collections they want to keep at a special rate for a limited time? No, go sign up with a service you didn't want in the first place. Did users get to keep their One Drive space for music? No, you lose it unless you buy One Drive for this purpose, but we won't offer you this as an alternative to a streaming service. Did they update the Groove app to function as a stand alone music player? No, Groove will be less functional than our antiquated Windows media player, but at least you can install it on an iOS and Android device! of course we could've updated the app to be able to stream any third-party music service of your choice but we're just going to update it as an advertising vehicle to promote Spotify even though they've never updated their own app on our platform so your experience will not only be the same as a Groove user, it will also be a worse experience on our platform than Apple's or Google's. Thank you for your patronage, go **** yourself.
    10-07-2017 11:24 PM
  15. Christopher Dy's Avatar
    Until Microsoft figures out how they can compete globally, I don't care. It's not available here in the Philippines anyway (at least last time I checked) and is not marketed at all, unlike Spotify.
    10-08-2017 01:11 AM
  16. SimonMelb's Avatar
    I've been trying to play music on the Spotify app on W10M and just keep getting either the loading dots scrolling or a notification to check my internet connection.
    WTF. So we've been booted from Groove and now the alternative won't work???? You are a DISGRACE Microsoft.
    10-08-2017 01:24 AM
  17. Gwenddoleu's Avatar
    Disappointed and sad.
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    10-08-2017 01:27 AM
  18. korzhs's Avatar
    Bad move. From the "trust and reliability" point of view first of all.
    How would Microsoft convince somebody to support their platform if they repeatedly drop support for their own services?
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    10-08-2017 02:21 AM
  19. Toby Simpson's Avatar
    I'm sad, not just because I believe it is a great product, but because I see it as a step down a greasy slope for a company I have always been a fanboy of. I have a headhunting firm of 24 people, and because all OSs integrate into our IT platform now our staff have freedom to choose whatever IT hardware and OS's they want. More and more they are choosing Apple and I can see a day when Chromebooks start popping up simply because many people have andriod phones and want a platform they can still use office on, but that is native to the serivces they use the most.

    Microsoft killed mobile, which is a great platform poorly marketed to devs and users, and now it is killing off more services such as Groove and who knows what's next that to focus on core products such as the OS, cloud and office. What they don't realise is that without these serivces people will steer away more and more from their core services to be with what makes them more comfortable, which is the OS they use the most (mobile) and the provider of the services they use the most and have a payment system set up for.

    I feel so sorry for the people at Groove who did an excellent job, just as I did with windows mobile who were let down by poor business support from Microsoft and I reckon a whole load of people in other "non core" services such as hardware and bing will be pretty demotivated right now. Someone has to go and it is not more "non core" services.
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    10-08-2017 02:37 AM
  20. Aden Rossinni's Avatar
    That's crap. None of the streaming services make money. If we used that philosophy on everything then we wouldn't have any Surface products.
    10-08-2017 03:58 AM
  21. Joachim David's Avatar
    Android has Google Music, Apple has iTunes, all other devices have Spotify; not sure though I'm really sad, just a little surprised they put so much effort in a product that really was destined to fail with all the competition out there.
    10-08-2017 05:29 AM
  22. Lordtree's Avatar
    Again such a lost of resources... Senseless waste. Ohh i forgot: Hit refresh or is it RESET? All resets suppose a restart: not on this one...
    10-08-2017 06:51 AM
  23. blegs38552's Avatar
    Will miss it. So far have not been able to transfer playlists to Spotify. I am a long time Zune and Groove subscriber. End of an era (again).
    10-08-2017 07:30 AM
  24. Mister Wolf's Avatar
    People miss it because there wasn't much else on the WP anyway. Amazon is way better to purchase from. That is my go to for music purchases on my OnePlus. You guys have to let WP die.
    10-08-2017 07:34 AM
  25. gimplotech's Avatar
    MS are slowly abandoning all their consumer facing services. Expect more to go as they transition to an Enterprise focused company. I'm betting even Xbox could be spun off as it's own company too. One less consumer thing for MS to have to deal with.
    Many hear moan, or say they're sad, but Groove was an expensive system to maintain and had a very low number of actual subscribers. It was Microsoft's attempt to compete with the big players, but when Win10 Mobile failed, so went Microsoft's main plan for Groove. The 'partnership' with Spotify is Microsoft's attempt to soften the blow and try and put a positive spin on the whole mess. Spotify pick up some new subscribers, MS exit the market with a bump rather than a crash (or so they hope).
    10-08-2017 08:04 AM
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