04-25-2013 10:23 PM
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  1. jwinch2's Avatar
    Windows 8 blamed for biggest PC shipment plunge ever | Fox News

    While I think some of this is off, the core message is accurate in my view. People by and large are not jumping on board with Windows 8, and I include myself in that group. I have a WP, and am in the market for a Windows Tablet when I find the one that I like. However, I do not need my PC to be completely changed. If anything, small alterations over time leading people in the direction that MS wishes to go would have been smarter. The emphasis on MO365, SkyDrive, the interface, etc. are simply not resonating with people at this point. I am in the market for a new desktop replacement laptop and have held off because I am simply not enamored with Windows 8. I know many others who are in the same boat.

    This is not because I am resistant to change or caught in the past, etc. as tends to be suggested when people don't like something new. I have no problems with my Lumia 920 and actually like it a great deal compared to my old android. Also, as I stated, I am planning to buy a MS tablet in the near future. Its simply that I don't like Windows 8 for a PC platform. I've played around with it at some stores, etc. and simply don't like it.

    I'll probably get flamed for this, as seems to happen here when someone is not completely thrilled with something that MS does. So have at it if you must.
    04-11-2013 11:53 AM
  2. ninjaap's Avatar
    I've installed Windows 8 on my VAIO laptop and enjoying it more every day. I stay mostly on the Modern side and only revert to desktop, when I have to use legacy programs. I'm hoping some day the Modern side will be powerful enough so we can get rid of desktop UI and its legacy software.

    My wife absolutely hates the Modern UI, but that's because she refuse to learn how to use it.
    04-11-2013 12:02 PM
  3. deadwrong03's Avatar
    Love the modern UI and the multitasking and snapping apps I use the desktop for file management and a couple other programs that haven't made a modern UI app version
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    04-11-2013 12:05 PM
  4. ChMar's Avatar
    Windows 8 blamed for biggest PC shipment plunge ever | Fox News

    While I think some of this is off, the core message is accurate in my view. People by and large are not jumping on board with Windows 8, and I include myself in that group. I have a WP, and am in the market for a Windows Tablet when I find the one that I like. However, I do not need my PC to be completely changed. If anything, small alterations over time leading people in the direction that MS wishes to go would have been smarter. The emphasis on MO365, SkyDrive, the interface, etc. are simply not resonating with people at this point. I am in the market for a new desktop replacement laptop and have held off because I am simply not enamored with Windows 8. I know many others who are in the same boat.

    This is not because I am resistant to change or caught in the past, etc. as tends to be suggested when people don't like something new. I have no problems with my Lumia 920 and actually like it a great deal compared to my old android. Also, as I stated, I am planning to buy a MS tablet in the near future. Its simply that I don't like Windows 8 for a PC platform. I've played around with it at some stores, etc. and simply don't like it.

    I'll probably get flamed for this, as seems to happen here when someone is not completely thrilled with something that MS does. So have at it if you must.
    You have the desktop there. So there is no real difference to the user there. The start is replaced but it's just better. You can go to your start screen(press win key on keyboard) and start typing. And this way you get access to your apps and files like you when you were pressing the start button and then start typing.

    If you were using the start button to press on it and then navigate to all programs ..... Then you can make groups of tiles(tiles for desktop programs and pin them to your start screen and access them there). When you install a desktop app that app get's a small tile so you can put it on your start screen.

    With windows 8 you just have beside the windows 7 the new modern apps and environment. But you can still use it as before. I find it to bring some improvements. You can use a snapped modern app(like Skype or whatever) and the desktop in parallel. It may require some getting used of to use both metro and desktop at the same time but I did not find a reason I dislike windows 8 and want to go back to windows 7.
    04-11-2013 12:13 PM
  5. martinmc78's Avatar
    More Clickbait

    Its hardly surprising though is it. But yet again the journalists and analysts hate on MS and cite W8 as the reason.

    The article even points out that PC upgrades are on a 4-5 year cycle which kind of contradicts the sensational headline.

    Add the fact in that Q1 sales are always lower than any other time of year due to the previous Q4 holiday season.

    What they don't add is how many W8 upgrades were done on original PC's. You don't need a new machine to have and take advantage of W8 you can quite easily run it on a machine that could run WinXP.

    Of course its all Windows 8 and MS fault though.

    If you don't like W8 your not alone there are plenty of people out there that don't and there isn't anything forcing you to use W8. Its all down to your personal preference and what works for you.
    04-11-2013 12:14 PM
  6. Jaskys's Avatar
    It's not because of windows 8, smartphones and tablets got very very popular, more and more people chooses them instead of pc.
    Im planning to do the same probably when surface 3 and windows 9 will arrive.
    Jeremy Schee likes this.
    04-11-2013 12:19 PM
  7. a5cent's Avatar
    While I think some of this is off, the core message is accurate in my view. People by and large are not jumping on board with Windows 8, and I include myself in that group.
    I understand your position. I was once at that point too.

    I enjoy the desktop and I enjoy the metro UI. What I do not like is uncontrollably switching back and forth between the two.

    I spend 90% of my computing time using developer and productivity tools. During that time, I use W8 almost exactly like I used W7. Full desktop. No touch screen. I've removed the live tiles for most metro apps from the start screen, or uninstalled them entirely. I've configured IE to always open up on the desktop and I've installed my own PDF reader. Nothing I do on the desktop ever "throws" me into a metro app. The only difference is the start screen, which at this point is nothing more than a large and better start menu.

    My girlfriend has a touch enabled convertible. She spends 95% of her computing time in the metro environment, as do I when I use her device as a tablet. That too works great. Again, I setup the system so that IE doesn't suddenly open up on the desktop and mess up her touch friendly user experience. The only time she ever leaves the metro environment is when she uses MS Office.

    IMHO, the trick is to understand that both environments, desktop and metro, excel at different things. At least at this point, using them simultaneously leaves something to be desired. In isolation and on their own they are great. I do think this situation will change going forward, but this is what I recommend for the moment.

    Try it!
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    04-11-2013 12:46 PM
  8. ninjaap's Avatar
    What I do not like is uncontrollably switching back and forth between the two.
    I 100% agree with you on this. I do prefer Modern UI over desktop, but the switching back and forth is the problem.
    04-11-2013 12:55 PM
  9. TheJoester09's Avatar
    I understand your position. I was once at that point too.

    I enjoy the desktop and I enjoy the metro UI. What I do not like is uncontrollably switching back and forth between the two.

    I spend 90% of my computing time using developer and productivity tools. During that time, I use W8 almost exactly like I used W7. Full desktop. No touch screen. I've removed the live tiles for most metro apps from the start screen, or uninstalled them entirely. I've configured IE to always open up on the desktop and I've installed my own PDF reader. Nothing I do on the desktop ever "throws" me into a metro app. The only difference is the start screen, which at this point is nothing more than a large and better start menu.

    My girlfriend has a touch enabled convertible. She spends 95% of her computing time in the metro environment, as do I when I use her device as a tablet. That too works great. Again, I setup the system so that IE doesn't suddenly open up on the desktop and mess up her touch friendly user experience. The only time she ever leaves the metro environment is when she uses MS Office.

    IMHO, the trick is to understand that both environments, desktop and metro, excel at different things. At least at this point, using them simultaneously leaves something to be desired. In isolation and on their own they are great. I do think this situation will change going forward, but this is what I recommend for the moment.

    Try it!
    This is probably the best response that I've seen to threads like these. Most people that don't like Windows 8 feel that way because they don't know how to use it or manage it properly. When you suggest that to them, they tend to get offended, which is understandable because no one likes to feel like their too dumb to get something. Intelligence isn't the issue here though, it's education, and I blame Microsoft for this. I love Windows 8 on my Surface RT, as well as on my 5 year old Sony laptop, but it takes some getting used to, and a half-assed tutorial like "move the mouse into any corner" is NOT sufficient for people that have been programmed to think a certain way about computer for years. Microsoft really needs to make a better effort to get people to understand the reasons behind the choices they made for Windows 8, and how they intend for their users to use it.
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    04-11-2013 01:09 PM
  10. gerzhwin's Avatar
    But it's just the new Modern UI, the missing Start button and some changes to the system settings! Why are people so scared of Win8!? Sure, some older hardware is not fully supported, but it's still the same OS -- with improvements!

    Sent from my Windows Phone 8X by HTC using Board Express
    04-11-2013 01:14 PM
  11. a5cent's Avatar
    But it's just the new Modern UI, the missing Start button and some changes to the system settings! Why are people so scared of Win8!?
    The post immediately above yours answered exactly that question.
    04-11-2013 01:23 PM
  12. Blkacesvf41's Avatar
    The market is at a transitional period where the demand is for media consumption and not creation. Mobile devices such as smartphones and tablets are just better suited for this. Blaming Windows 8 for this it just doesn't make sense.
    04-11-2013 01:30 PM
  13. HeyCori's Avatar
    Neowin has a good counter piece to this.

    The IDC report gone astray, is Microsoft really at fault? - Neowin

    And let's not forget that Apple was down 7% as of Nov. 2012.

    The whole industry is sinking. Tablets and smartphones are growing because that is what people want.
    04-11-2013 01:49 PM
  14. jwinch2's Avatar
    Neowin has a good counter piece to this.

    The IDC report gone astray, is Microsoft really at fault? - Neowin

    And let's not forget that Apple was down 7% as of Nov. 2012.

    The whole industry is sinking. Tablets and smartphones are growing because that is what people want.
    This is a fair point. Many, if not most, users are not really using their computers for work, they are using them for social media and surfing. Those things can be done perfectly well on a tablet. However, for users like myself who's home pc is also my work machine, I have a different set of requirements.
    04-11-2013 07:49 PM
  15. Letros's Avatar
    OEMs can't come up with anything appealing. The only thing I've considered buying is the Surface Pro, but I'd rather have the Haswell CPU in it.
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    04-11-2013 07:52 PM
  16. AaHaa's Avatar
    I created a little thread about how I think MS should have handled Windows 8 and might have prevented this plunge: http://forums.windowscentral.com/win...have-been.html

    Let me know that you guys think.
    04-12-2013 06:33 AM
  17. TonyDedrick's Avatar
    But it's just the new Modern UI, the missing Start button and some changes to the system settings! Why are people so scared of Win8!? Sure, some older hardware is not fully supported, but it's still the same OS -- with improvements!

    Sent from my Windows Phone 8X by HTC using Board Express
    I think it's more than folks being scared. I think its a matter of the average person not seeing a real need or reason to try Windows 8. I upgraded my two home PCs because it was cheap. I didn't feel I necessarily needed Win8. What compelling reason has Microsoft given to convince the average person, who might be more than satisfied with what XP, Vista, or 7, to give it a spin?
    Laura Knotek and Rndomuser like this.
    04-12-2013 06:46 AM
  18. martinmc78's Avatar
    Neowin has a good counter piece to this.

    The IDC report gone astray, is Microsoft really at fault? - Neowin

    And let's not forget that Apple was down 7% as of Nov. 2012.

    The whole industry is sinking. Tablets and smartphones are growing because that is what people want.
    Hmm do you think someone at Neowin read my post from above and did some research to back up their article?
    04-12-2013 07:21 AM
  19. Blkacesvf41's Avatar
    04-14-2013 12:01 PM
  20. AskaLangly's Avatar
    Stardock is your friend: Start8. Also Fences, Decor8, and ModernMix.
    That aside, I loved it since CP, still use it... all the hate can just go screw themselves. Just like what people tell me about Instagram and Tumblr.
    04-14-2013 01:09 PM
  21. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    I think it's more than folks being scared. I think its a matter of the average person not seeing a real need or reason to try Windows 8. I upgraded my two home PCs because it was cheap. I didn't feel I necessarily needed Win8. What compelling reason has Microsoft given to convince the average person, who might be more than satisfied with what XP, Vista, or 7, to give it a spin?
    I agree. The average person isn't going to run out and buy a new PC just to get Windows 8 when his/her PC still runs. Nor will that person upgrade to Windows 8 just because it's available, if all programs run fine on an older version of Windows.
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    04-14-2013 01:32 PM
  22. Rndomuser's Avatar
    I think it's more than folks being scared. I think its a matter of the average person not seeing a real need or reason to try Windows 8. I upgraded my two home PCs because it was cheap. I didn't feel I necessarily needed Win8. What compelling reason has Microsoft given to convince the average person, who might be more than satisfied with what XP, Vista, or 7, to give it a spin?
    Exactly. Aside from "Windows 3.1" GUI and few minor changes underneath - there's no good reason to upgrade to Windows 8 at all. What improvements can it bring for an average user like myself who is satisfied with Windows 7? It has new GUI? A lot of people (including myself) don't consider it as "improvement", but a very opposite to it. It can boot faster? Who cares - I already have SSD drive which boots me in Win7 in 15 seconds and I rarely turn off or reboot my PCs. It has new task manager? Who cares - the Win7's task manager works perfectly for me. It now has app store? Who cares - I can get all my necessary programs by downloading them directly from manufacturer's site, and auto-update in those programs works perfectly, same goes for built-in notifications for programs like Skype for Windows 7. Games? I get all my games through Valve's Steam service (which has all necessary social functions already built-in) - Windows 8 can't give me any improvement there... So why would I (and millions of other casual users) waste money and time on upgrading to Windows 8?

    Microsoft needs to give desktop users a much better incentives to upgrade to Windows 8, and right now they are completely failing at that...
    04-14-2013 02:42 PM
  23. a5cent's Avatar
    ^In a way this this is very ironic, because W8 is the first version of windows that is entirely consumer centric, which offers little to nothing for the professional... :-/

    I think that the introduction of the windows app store is probably the biggest feature, as it allows every last user to install software themselves, without requiring any skills and still being able to feel confident that they aren't infecting their systems. Of course, if you don't want metro apps...

    W8 has also, for the first time, enabled a brand new class of device, the convertible laptop/tablet. That is pretty damn nifty. My girlfriend thinks it is great, but anyone that is interested only in the classical desktop...

    I do think W8 has a lot to offer, it just isn't offering much to those that don't want something other than what Windows has already been these last few years.
    04-15-2013 12:25 AM
  24. Coolknight1968's Avatar
    I tried W8, then moved to W8 where I work. We still use some W7, but the least PC savvy users get W8 first and they all love it and do better with it. I am in charge of IT. LOL
    People are all scared about W8... but my experience is, that with a touchscreen machine (Dell 2330) they all love it after 5 minutes.
    04-18-2013 10:18 AM
  25. Coreldan's Avatar
    On my PC I use both modes in a fairly balanced manner. Desktop is naturally the default, but I use the snap-feature a lot with different software (such as with PDF readers,cos its easier to multitask with the metro app, even if it doesnt have as many features as desktop reader) and for the Messaging-app a lot too.
    04-18-2013 11:00 AM
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