04-18-2014 02:03 PM
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  1. ChefFabrizio's Avatar
    If I didn't add this update, I'd get no further updates, so I jumped at it, after having no issues on my Tablet.

    But my dual monitor desktop setup took a big beating. No longer does it recognize my blu ray disc. Even if I put music cd in it. To rip music. And I have to RIP cd's as xbox Music is randomly deleting my music on my Windows Home Server. Telling me I Don't have music, that Zune or Windows Media Player says I do have on network.

    But the WORST feature to me is closing a "modern" app only to get shown back to the desktop. Really? I hate the Desktop. I want to USE the start screen. As my START screen. If I close a modern app, it's because I'm done with it, not because I want my desktop. I have two monitors, one in the Modern World, and one in the stone ages, of the Desktop. So, I can only use Windows Media Center (yes, I love my cablecard tv tuner) and it only works on a desktop. Yet all the other stuff I want in the Modern World. And I'm already tired of having it go back to the desktop. Even after I fixed it booting to the desktop, and unchecking that default (Aren't options about giving us OPTIONS instead of thinking for ME), but now everytime I close the ONLY modern app open, I get the desktop. So, I have to leave some modern app, running which I don't need, only to get the start screen.

    THIS IS NOT PROGRESS.
    herbertsnow likes this.
    04-09-2014 10:52 PM
  2. Kavu2's Avatar
    Re: "But the WORST feature to me is closing a "modern" app only to get shown back to the desktop. Really? I hate the Desktop. I want to USE the start screen. As my START screen. If I close a modern app, it's because I'm done with it, not because I want my desktop.......but now everytime I close the ONLY modern app open, I get the desktop. "

    It was driving me crazy too. But I have a solution for you..... (as I posted on another thread here)

    In Desktop....right click/long tap on taskbar....select' Properties'....in the 'Taskbar Tab', uncheck, 'Show Windows Store apps on the taskbar'. That's it. Now when you close a Start screen app it will return you to the Start screen....not the Desktop. You do lose the new Update 1 functionality of being able to 'show' apps on the taskbar in the desktop mode....but you can still pin them there if you desire.

    Hope this helps
    ven07 and ChefFabrizio like this.
    04-09-2014 11:06 PM
  3. ChefFabrizio's Avatar
    It took me forever to find this setting. Thanks.

    Now have you got a way to bring back the hand and LOSE the titlebars on apps?
    04-10-2014 11:40 AM
  4. Kavu2's Avatar
    Well....I'm thinking maybe too many people were talking 'to' the hand for Microsoft's tastes...lol. But anyway, currently the metro app title bars DO auto-hide after a couple of seconds after the cursor moves away, so it's a small bother. AND you can still swipe with the cursor to close the app to the bottom of the screen as done previously....the hand is just not there to 'talk' to now :-) All in all I think W8.1.1 is a MUCH better overall interface for touchless screen folks relying strictly on the keyboard and mouse. So I'm rolling with the punches here b/c the future is here and it's not going to slow down. Pretty soon it'll all be on your [S]glasses[/S]...or your wrist..or your contact lens...or ???
    04-10-2014 12:46 PM
  5. herbertsnow's Avatar
    It took me forever to find this setting. Thanks.

    Now have you got a way to bring back the hand and LOSE the titlebars on apps?
    I'm thinking a registry hack might do it.
    04-10-2014 01:07 PM
  6. Jas00555's Avatar
    To be honest, though. You're the minority on this. I'm a big fan of Windows 8.x, but even I thought focusing on the start screen (for now) was a mistake.
    04-10-2014 01:11 PM
  7. Blkacesvf41's Avatar
    It took me forever to find this setting. Thanks.

    Now have you got a way to bring back the hand and LOSE the titlebars on apps?
    You can still click at the top and drag down to close the apps even though the "Hand" doesn't show.
    04-10-2014 01:15 PM
  8. radmanvr's Avatar
    Have you tried turning it off and on
    tgp likes this.
    04-10-2014 01:39 PM
  9. herbertsnow's Avatar
    To be honest, though. You're the minority on this. I'm a big fan of Windows 8.x, but even I thought focusing on the start screen (for now) was a mistake.
    The start screen is much better than having a jumble of tiny icons on the desktop.
    04-10-2014 01:59 PM
  10. Kebero's Avatar
    I keep my desktop free of icons and only have File Explorer pinned to the taskbar. I have start set to show all applications. Works great.
    04-10-2014 02:25 PM
  11. herbertsnow's Avatar
    The only thing I have on my desktop is the trash icon. No wallpaper, no taskbar.
    04-10-2014 02:32 PM
  12. TheJoester09's Avatar
    The start screen is much better than having a jumble of tiny icons on the desktop.
    Indeed. I have Windows 7 at work, and it feels so outdated compared to 8.1! When I want to open a new program, I have to either minimize all of my open programs to get to the desktop or search through the Start menu, as opposed to just hitting the Windows key, easily finding my app (which is pinned exactly where I want it so I know where to go), and then continuing on my way. Truthfully the Windows 8.1 workflow only saves about 10 seconds, but that's enough time to break my momentum when I'm "in the zone." The Win8.1 experience is so seamless!
    ChefFabrizio likes this.
    04-11-2014 10:11 AM
  13. Morpheus Phreak's Avatar
    It took me forever to find this setting. Thanks.

    Now have you got a way to bring back the hand and LOSE the titlebars on apps?
    No need. You can still grab and drag as before if you want. I alternate depending on where my mouse is currently sitting. Also having the split features being quickly accessible via that titlebar is nice. :)
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    04-11-2014 10:19 AM
  14. iamtim's Avatar
    Also having the split features being quickly accessible via that titlebar is nice. :)
    Oh, hey, that's kinda cool. I didn't notice that was available. Thanks for the tip!
    04-11-2014 10:45 AM
  15. Morpheus Phreak's Avatar
    Oh, hey, that's kinda cool. I didn't notice that was available. Thanks for the tip!
    You're welcome. :)
    04-11-2014 12:00 PM
  16. ChefFabrizio's Avatar
    To me the Titlebar is useless and ruins a clean interface. Having a tablet that is swipe oriented and having the big red X back, is going backwards.

    I have a two monitor set up, one always in Metro and the other always in desktop. Really only for Windows Media Center. Otherwise, I'd do away for desktop, except for work or excel.

    I now have to force myself to avoid the red X as it doesn't show up on my tablet. And yes, I find myself swiping top to bottom on my WP8 935. And forget sometimes it does nothing there.
    04-12-2014 08:55 PM
  17. ChefFabrizio's Avatar
    I'm not confident in the registry, but if you find a way, please pass it along. I really don't like the Titlebars. Yes, I know they go away. But to me, they are glaring when visible
    04-12-2014 08:57 PM
  18. Morpheus Phreak's Avatar
    To me the Titlebar is useless and ruins a clean interface. Having a tablet that is swipe oriented and having the big red X back, is going backwards.

    I have a two monitor set up, one always in Metro and the other always in desktop. Really only for Windows Media Center. Otherwise, I'd do away for desktop, except for work or excel.

    I now have to force myself to avoid the red X as it doesn't show up on my tablet. And yes, I find myself swiping top to bottom on my WP8 935. And forget sometimes it does nothing there.
    The titlebar doesn't show up on tablets, at least not tablets that are being used as a tablet. It only shows up when they are docked and being used with a mouse and keyboard. Also it's a white x on a black title bar. There is a red hitbox that appears when you hover over it with a mouse and keyboard.

    So I'm confused by this particular criticism.

    Reading over all the posts here though it seems like for some reason you have a really bad string of issues that don't really seem purely OS related.
    Last edited by Morpheus Phreak; 04-12-2014 at 10:58 PM.
    04-12-2014 10:07 PM
  19. theefman's Avatar
    Not a fan either, and on a 2 in 1 like the dell venue 11 pro the inconsistencies and ugly desktop overlays made me disable all the "improvements" I could except for that stupid titlebar. Microsoft needs to learn to give people true options, not being forced down certain usage scenarios because you want to enable a single feature.
    04-12-2014 10:33 PM
  20. Morpheus Phreak's Avatar
    As I've said before. If you work at MS, if you're a product made by MS, or even just MS itself....there is no way to win.

    Hate towards MS has become a trend that's just too fashionable to let go. :P
    TripsG likes this.
    04-12-2014 10:42 PM
  21. paulsalter's Avatar
    As I've said before. If you work at MS, if you're a product made by MS, or even just MS itself....there is no way to win.

    Hate towards MS has become a trend that's just too fashionable to let go. :P
    This is very true and I see this in many forums I read

    I do not hate MS, I have just moved back to Windows because of Win 8 and am now almost fully in the MS eco system

    Can you give your thoughts on one aspect of the update that has been mentioned a few times relating to the new way of the Taskbar

    If I am using Desktop mode, have my most used apps pinned to the Taskbar, I can launch them easily now, hitting the new 'X' to close returns back to desktop, this is a great improvement for desktop users
    If I am running an app from the Start Screen, I see the new taskbar appear showing all running apps, this is an improvement, however if I close an app with the new 'X' it returns to the desktop, surely if I launch an app from the Start Screen, when I close it this is where it should return me back to

    There might be something I am missing in it, but if I am using mainly the store apps from the start screen, I do not want to see the desktop (I know the new features can be turned off to get around this)
    04-13-2014 03:48 AM
  22. Blkacesvf41's Avatar
    This is very true and I see this in many forums I read

    I do not hate MS, I have just moved back to Windows because of Win 8 and am now almost fully in the MS eco system

    Can you give your thoughts on one aspect of the update that has been mentioned a few times relating to the new way of the Taskbar

    If I am using Desktop mode, have my most used apps pinned to the Taskbar, I can launch them easily now, hitting the new 'X' to close returns back to desktop, this is a great improvement for desktop users
    If I am running an app from the Start Screen, I see the new taskbar appear showing all running apps, this is an improvement, however if I close an app with the new 'X' it returns to the desktop, surely if I launch an app from the Start Screen, when I close it this is where it should return me back to

    There might be something I am missing in it, but if I am using mainly the store apps from the start screen, I do not want to see the desktop (I know the new features can be turned off to get around this)
    Yes, I agree with you. If I launch modern apps from the start screen, when I close them I wanna go back to the start screen. Besides changing the settings, the other way around it would be to not close the apps but just go right back to the start screen. I keep that app switching charm filled with apps all the time.
    04-13-2014 09:15 AM
  23. theefman's Avatar
    Yes, I agree with you. If I launch modern apps from the start screen, when I close them I wanna go back to the start screen. Besides changing the settings, the other way around it would be to not close the apps but just go right back to the start screen. I keep that app switching charm filled with apps all the time.


    Shhhh, don't post such "hate" lest we hurt Microsoft's feelings because wanting options is bad...../s
    04-13-2014 09:41 AM
  24. rdubmu's Avatar
    Indeed. I have Windows 7 at work, and it feels so outdated compared to 8.1! When I want to open a new program, I have to either minimize all of my open programs to get to the desktop or search through the Start menu, as opposed to just hitting the Windows key, easily finding my app (which is pinned exactly where I want it so I know where to go), and then continuing on my way. Truthfully the Windows 8.1 workflow only saves about 10 seconds, but that's enough time to break my momentum when I'm "in the zone." The Win8.1 experience is so seamless!
    On both Windows 7 and Windows 8 just go to the start button (win 7) and start screen (win 8) start typing the app you want to open. Much faster.

    Sent from my LG-D801 using Tapatalk
    TheJoester09 likes this.
    04-13-2014 09:49 AM
  25. paulsalter's Avatar
    Yes, I agree with you. If I launch modern apps from the start screen, when I close them I wanna go back to the start screen. Besides changing the settings, the other way around it would be to not close the apps but just go right back to the start screen. I keep that app switching charm filled with apps all the time.
    Thanks, going to give that a try, I don't always close apps so will see how it works just always leaving them running

    Hopefully next update will allow people more choice on how Modern/Desktop work
    04-13-2014 10:10 AM
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