08-13-2014 06:15 AM
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  1. Sax_Derp's Avatar
    Can someone logically explain why 8 & 8.1 are not suitable for mouse and keyboard users, and for business use? I may install 8.1 soon and I'd like to know if it's media bull or if you actually have a significant impact on your work flow after you beat the learning curve.

    Sent from my Nexus S 4G using Mobile Nations mobile app
    08-02-2014 11:51 AM
  2. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Everything is moving to a Touch environment. That's just where the future is heading and the Metro Interface is poised to leverage that. I have a Non-Touch Laptop and will say that 8.1 was a significant improvement over 8 in terms of traditional Keyboard/Mouse interaction. You can pretty much ignore the Metro components in large part. The UX is closer to 7 on 8.1 and you should definitely update to that.

    I did recently get a Windows 8.1 Tablet and can clearly appreciate Metro from a touch device. Using Windows Phone taught me that. My next Laptop or PC will have Touch for sure.
    undulose likes this.
    08-02-2014 01:38 PM
  3. dKp1977's Avatar
    Even though Windows 8.x is designed and optimized for touch, it's perfectly usable with mouse and keyboard. No problem at all.
    08-02-2014 01:44 PM
  4. Tansen's Avatar
    I have a Lenovo Yoga (first model) and I had alternated between using it laptop mode and hooking it up to an external monitor, having a wireless keyboard and mouse also hooked up. It was, at that point, effectively a non touch-screen desktop. Having said that, I was quickly able to figure out the concept of "smart corners" (move the mouse to the top right for charms menu and time display, move to top left for last or recent apps). Having done that, "keyboard mouse" mode was, at least for me, a very good upgrade from the days of windows 7. Ultimately its your preference, but WAY too many people hate on windows 8 and 8.1 for not very good reasons. Even if you don't like metro interface, just make it start on desktop and you'll never have to use metro really.
    08-02-2014 01:46 PM
  5. xandros9's Avatar
    It's not media bull, its random commenter bull.

    I was reluctant, but then my school offered it for free.
    I use it on a non-touchscreen laptop. Negative workflow effect? Zero.

    It's literally Windows 7, except faster, and has a start screen instead of a menu. Is it bad? No. It's just a bigger start menu.
    Don't like the touchscreen parts? don't use it.
    Literally one program, and voila, its just like Windows 7, except with more polish.
    08-02-2014 02:51 PM
  6. skstrials's Avatar
    I think it is definitely harder to use without a touchpad or a touchscreen.

    Basic things like opening up a charms bar, switching open apps with left swipe, and opening options with downward swipe on touchpad are all basic functions I use on my Windows 8 laptop everyday.

    However, there are seperate touchpad mouse accessories available for Windows 8 desktops too right?

    All in all, Windows 8.1 is a huge upgrade over Windows 7, and I am glad I bought the Windows 8.1 for $70 with university discount.
    08-03-2014 05:41 PM
  7. rdubmu's Avatar
    Using it via mouse works just fine. Zero productivity issues. With Windows 8.1 update was designed with mouse and keyboard in mind. I mostly use the mouse and keyboard on my SP1 or SP3. You loose zero function by using the mouse. It is windows 7 only better.
    08-03-2014 05:57 PM
  8. peacefulberry's Avatar
    I have to say that I do notice greater ease around 8.1 on my surface then 8.0 on my laptop. But I think the next update for windows should merge mouse/keyboards with laptops/pcs for an easier ui. I absolutely love 8.1 on my surface. They were made for each other! ♡ Lol
    08-03-2014 06:49 PM
  9. rdubmu's Avatar
    The one thing I want is to merge windows 8 start screen and the desktop. Basically bring the task bar to the windows 8 start screen
    08-03-2014 06:51 PM
  10. Blkacesvf41's Avatar
    All I know is that when Apple introduces the "Snapping" feature on the iPad (Which they've announced they will) the media will say that they're changing the world with innovation again!
    08-03-2014 06:56 PM
  11. tbsteph1's Avatar
    Media bull. I use Windows 8.1 everyday in a desktop environment.
    xandros9 and k72 like this.
    08-03-2014 06:59 PM
  12. Richard Culverhouse's Avatar
    All I know is that when Apple introduces the "Snapping" feature on the iPad (Which they've announced they will) the media will say that they're changing the world with innovation again!
    All hail Timmy /P
    08-03-2014 07:00 PM
  13. k72's Avatar
    I use it on a non-touch laptop. No problem. Having the touchpad actually allows me to use all the swiping features like bringing up the charms bar and switching between apps, but I ended up disabling that just because my touchpad is so large I would swipe too often. Turned off, it's still absolutely usable. I was just telling somebody the other day that I didn't know what the fuss was all about. It's better than a start menu because everything is bigger and customizable.
    xandros9 likes this.
    08-03-2014 07:16 PM
  14. SteveSAPA's Avatar
    my touchpad is so large
    No need to brag.
    rdubmu likes this.
    08-03-2014 10:11 PM
  15. andynew89's Avatar
    no need to brag.
    lol
    08-03-2014 10:21 PM
  16. BobLobIaw's Avatar
    In my opinion, it's bull. I have a Surface Pro with 8.1 that I use with touch and I have a PC with 8.1 that I use with mouse. As you speculated, after a short learning curve either is a pleasure.
    Guytronic likes this.
    08-03-2014 10:56 PM
  17. dKp1977's Avatar
    In my opinion, it's bull. I have a Surface Pro with 8.1 that I use with touch and I have a PC with 8.1 that I use with mouse. As you speculated, after a short learning curve either is a pleasure.
    Exactemundo. People have always been like that. I remember all the complaining after XP was released, which was the largest evolution of Windows after going from Windows 3.11 to Windows 95. Then the very same happened when MS published Vista (okay, it really sucked. Not as much as Windows ME did, but nevertheless, lol). These things will never change. People get accustomed to something they use through the years and get confused when something changes.
    BobLobIaw likes this.
    08-04-2014 01:31 AM
  18. Dario Infinidad's Avatar
    Classicshell .NET fixes the broken and incomplete Windows desktop.
    08-04-2014 01:41 AM
  19. dKp1977's Avatar
    Classicshell .NET fixes the broken and incomplete Windows desktop.
    Broken and incomplete? You're obviously using a totally different Windows 8.x as the rest of us. :D
    08-04-2014 01:45 AM
  20. undulose's Avatar
    Can someone logically explain why 8 & 8.1 are not suitable for mouse and keyboard users, and for business use? I may install 8.1 soon and I'd like to know if it's media bull or if you actually have a significant impact on your work flow after you beat the learning curve.

    Sent from my Nexus S 4G using Mobile Nations mobile app

    My laptop runs fine on Windows 8.1, and take note: I use mapping softwares which had compatibility issues before (and feared that they still do) but they run fast on my laptop.

    The general bulls**t comments are based on:

    1. incompatibility issues (search for such issues related to the programs you usually use) but it seems like they were already fixed. A number of things which I feared to have compatibility issues (but have none, in reality) are the ff.:
    a. Global Mapper (mapping software)
    b. Surpac (for mine planning and modeling)
    c. Games for Windows Live (such an old unsupported program but runs perfectly fine)
    d. Razer Naga Hex (my gaming mouse, actually, because even peripherals were reported to have compatibility issues when 8.1 was first released)

    2. lack of familiarity to do stuff the NEW way (such as partitioning storage) since they are very different compared to how you do them on Windows 7 or XP. Any problems you encounter could be solved by the Internet via Bing or Google (pick your poison).
    BobLobIaw and RumoredNow like this.
    08-04-2014 03:10 AM
  21. drjekel_mrhyde's Avatar
    Most of the people I talk to hate that the tiles are too colorful. If Microsoft made them transparent or let uses change the colors there wouldn't be anymore comparision to old AOL UI from 2 decades ago. I know most of you seen this picture on websites beforeaol.png
    08-05-2014 07:12 AM
  22. Bobvfr's Avatar
    We have one non touch laptop (Wife's) and one with (Mine) along with a couple of Surfaces. Touch screens are better than non touch screens regardless of OS and are the future.

    I have no problem using either my or my wife's laptop, to be honest I very rarely use the touchscreen on my laptop.

    There are a couple of things worth doing. Learn a few keyboard shortcuts like Windows key + D brings up the desktop, WK+C brings up the charms on the right, there are a few more useful ones for tabbing etc.

    Arrange the Start (Tiles page) to suit you, I would unpin every tile bar one, then only pin the ones you use, then name each section so for example the main one I call Home, in this section I have mail, music and other every day tiles, then I have an Internet section for the Internet Explorer and Bing tiles plus any other Internet short cuts, then an Office section for (Well you can guess what for), it's up to you, you can arrange your tiles page how you want, you will then find your productivity going up.


    Bob
    08-05-2014 11:52 AM
  23. D M C's Avatar
    Windows 8 is more like a failure when you compare with Windows 7.
    Windows 7 market share still increasing where as w8 started decreasing now.
    That a proof that most users don't like it.
    I used W8 for 2 months. Seems cool to me but then due to some problem I went back w7 and I noticed I do my work faster on w7 than w8.

    Productivity is more important for me than looks. And this where W8 fails.
    08-05-2014 12:10 PM
  24. DER1996's Avatar
    I used W8 for 2 months. Seems cool to me but then due to some problem I went back w7 and I noticed I do my work faster on w7 than w8.

    Productivity is more important for me than looks. And this where W8 fails.
    Which version of windows 8 did you use , 8.0 or 8.1 update , because while I agree windows 7 is more productive than 8.0 , 8.1 update is at least on par when it comes to productivity ( although that is subjective ) , in terms of raw speed 8.x is a lot faster than 7 , it's been noted by a lot of reviewers and I can confirm it personally . At the end I think it's because of the drop of familiarity. I mean the original 8.0 saw the start button gone and horrible one size snap only ( which I can't imagine I lived with at the beginning) these change + Sinofsky's determination = a new windows vista in terms of marketing and familiarity ( although I find the looks really good with 8.1 they still need work ) BUT NOT in SPEED AND STABILITY . In a nutshell , boneheaded design teams that thought one OS for all meant the EXACT SAME UI for all , are those to blame , but the same teams are redeeming themselves with windows 9 which looks promising ;) but it's better be free :p
    08-05-2014 12:31 PM
  25. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Get used to it now or flounder when the next version hits and Windows 7 gets EOL (End Of Life) status.
    08-05-2014 02:56 PM
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