MSFTisMIA
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I AM!!! bothered by it :unhappy:
Most 810 users are. I don't remember anyone doing cartwheels in celebration of the puny internal storage or their "other " folder being about 5GB in size...
I AM!!! bothered by it :unhappy:
I went to WalMart and accidentally left my Lumia 810 on the car seat...when I returned to the car, my window was smashed and there were 2 more 810's on my seat...
Not that I'm changing my tune about seeing an update soon, but you realize that this has been way worse for users in the past right? You complain about the 810 being EOL'd so quickly, but we all forget how the Radar and Titan lasted 7 months before Microsoft booted WP7... The Titan 2 was only out for 3 months before WP8 was announced... The Samsung Focus 2 was released in may and WP8 was announced in June...
Overall, it really looks like 6 months is about the standard time frame for Microsoft's OEM's to release a new device. Even the golden boys at Nokia released the 900 in April of 2012 and then the 920 in November... 6 months on the shelf really appears to be quite normal for Windows Phone devices... Sad, but true...
Nokia - 900 (4/12) - 920 (11/12) - 1020 (7/13 rumored) = 7-8 months
HTC - Titan (11/11) - Titan 2 (4/12) - 8x (11/12) = 6-7 months
Samsung - Focus (11/10) - Focus S/Flash (11/11) - Focus 2 (5/12) - ATIV S (2/13 delayed) = 9 months average
Not that I'm changing my tune about seeing an update soon, but you realize that this has been way worse for users in the past right? You complain about the 810 being EOL'd so quickly, but we all forget how the Radar and Titan lasted 7 months before Microsoft booted WP7... The Titan 2 was only out for 3 months before WP8 was announced... The Samsung Focus 2 was released in may and WP8 was announced in June...
Overall, it really looks like 6 months is about the standard time frame for Microsoft's OEM's to release a new device. Even the golden boys at Nokia released the 900 in April of 2012 and then the 920 in November... 6 months on the shelf really appears to be quite normal for Windows Phone devices... Sad, but true...
Nokia - 900 (4/12) - 920 (11/12) - 1020 (7/13 rumored) = 7-8 months
HTC - Titan (11/11) - Titan 2 (4/12) - 8x (11/12) = 6-7 months
Samsung - Focus (11/10) - Focus S/Flash (11/11) - Focus 2 (5/12) - ATIV S (2/13 delayed) = 9 months average
I have been buying technology for years now and am very used to a fairly quick obsolescence. My concern, and I expect the concern of most of us is not simply that the 810 is EOL after such a short time, it is that T-Mobile has shown a tendency to abandon their products. The title of this thread is "EOL- what about firmware updates?"
At the end of the day a company can do whatever it wants while selling a device, however if they've sold you the device I think we should expect a reasonable period of support for it. At this point the issue with storage has been well known for months now and it is still not resolved. Whether or not that is Nokia or Microsoft's fault, that is not impressive customer service.
And my point goes back to the fact that Windows Phone has been making devices OBSOLETE within 6 months, not a particular carrier or manufacturer. I should just drop this as arguing this is just becoming stupid, but I'll justfy my post one last time.The dates I posted were the available to purchase dates, not a 'magical one pulled from some website' or an announcement date. Not to get personal, but since you already did, this leads me into what MSFTisMIA stated in his post...
1) Those were the published release dates of the devices - not an announcement date...
2) Given your reasoning for the Titan 1 vs. Titan 2 dumping, T-Mobile could make the claim that that the 810 does not work with their LTE network so it got dumped for the 925 - same story and that did NOT work out well for Titan 1 users at all.
3) When you start your T-Mobile replacement phone chart, you are all over with manufacturers replacing each other's devices. That's not how this works - that's like saying the iPhone 5 replaced the Galaxy S III. Looking at the first generation of Windows Phones isn't too smart as they were all a one year device. Microsoft's original plan was to ride hardware for a year, then provide updates through year two. With the scrapping of WP7, things had to change though. So let's go through the T-Mobile progression...
Nokia: Lumia 710 (January 2012) - Windows Phone 8 (June 2012) - Lumia 810 (November 2012) - Lumia 521 (May 2013) - Lumia 925 (August 2013) - about every 6 months
HTC: HD2 (November 2009) - HD7 (November 2010) - HTC Radar (November 2011) - HTC 8X (December 2012) - one per year
Samsung: No WP devices available
4) Now on to your Samsung comparisons... You just said an AT&T device was replaced by a Verizon Wireless device... Focus 2 vs. ATIV Odyssey? Lost me on that one? Mine was the direct chain that AT&T used.
5) The EOS or 1020 or whatever they are going to call it will be on AT&T exclusively in the US for 90-180 days, just like the 900 and 920 before it. This is where you have to count AT&T's convoluted products because they are the premiere WP carrier in the US. They get the most phones and get them first.
Now, back to topic - why is this important? Well, because it shows the hardware pattern is updating on 6 month intervals for Nokia and 12 months for HTC. It's sad that these devices are going the way of the dinosaur so quickly, but so far, WP8 devices have been getting updates, so I don't see how that is going to change. We will see an update when Nokia releases one that T-Mobile is happy with.
I went to WalMart and accidentally left my Lumia 810 on the car seat...when I returned to the car, my window was smashed and there were 2 more 810's on my seat...
Just incase no one has read them... Just throwing this link out here... other WP8 including 810 will get Amber updates despite of EOL sometime this summer (depending on operator "carrier" approval)... thoughts???
Nokia's "Lumia Amber" software update in detail
Just incase no one has read them... Just throwing this link out here... other WP8 including 810 will get Amber updates despite of EOL sometime this summer (depending on operator "carrier" approval)... thoughts???
Nokia's "Lumia Amber" software update in detail
Just incase no one has read them... Just throwing this link out here... other WP8 including 810 will get Amber updates despite of EOL sometime this summer (depending on operator "carrier" approval)... thoughts???
Nokia's "Lumia Amber" software update in detail
True, i'm debating whether i should also get an unlock 920 just incase 810 doesn't get it.. i too will be crossing fingers... as far as we know, i think its safe that 920 will be around for a longer period considering it is one of the flagships..I'm shocked that website actually has the 810 listed as one of the Lumia phones expected to get the Amber update. I've since switched from my 810 to a Rogers 920, but I will certainly keep my fingers crossed that the 810 does get the update.
-sigh- if it wasn't for the "carrier / operator) cockblocking issue, we 810's wouldn't have this problem... i really like the device since day one and it does everything like the 920.. pretty solid rugged device and i've even run around with it in the rain (inside of an armband protector ofcourse) and has stellar battery life.. my only dilemma is that i got my eye on this unlock 920 for a steal and i'm wondering whether i should get it, but also don't see having 2 WP8 devices.. maybe use the 810 as a back up?? -shrugs-Although Nokia released this statement in May and listed the 810 it still comes down to the carriers approval to release the updates. This is where it's all screwed up and why the 810 keeps getting denied by tmob. What the 810 didn't get since Jan. LTE got denied by tmob, FW: 1308, 1314, 1316, never got pushed out to the 810 by tmob. Now with GDR2 and Amber around the corner and no new statements released by tmob this is looking like a train wreck for 810 owners no doubt. With MSFT announcing all Lumia Windows 8 phones will get the updates but tmob keeps denying the release it seems pretty futile... as long as the carriers are in control we are all screwed in the end. They really need to get the carriers out of the picture period! OS updates and FW releases should be done by Nokia and MSFT. When I first jumped onboard with the 810 I seriously thought that was the way it was going to be done, I thought it would work just like Blackberry updates, cooking ROM's from the manufacturer and updating OS's through MSFT.
So regardless of advertising 18 months phone support from MSFT and Nokia it doesn't mean diddly when it's carrier controlled, especially when it's tmob.
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It's interesting legal speak but where Microsoft gets itself into trouble is releasing an OS that is not functioning properly. Other storage and the music disaster are two examples. One would think they open themselves up to a class action lawsuit at that point.