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  1. WindowsCentral.com's Avatar

    Nokia X and X+ have just been announced by the Finnish handset maker at their Mobile World Congress 2014 press conference. The devices are the first Nokia handsets to run Android, although it is a forked version of the operating system. Nokia X and X+ is aimed at emerging markets and is partly powered by Nokia and Microsoft services. Think of these as an extension of Asha and not so much a threat to Window Phone. Details below.

    Full story from the WPCentral blog...
    02-24-2014 02:00 AM
  2. Zacharyw70's Avatar
    One thing that looked really disappointing with Nokia X is how nice the UI looked. Fast lane seems like a nice idea, and I like how it had a notification center. Why doesn't or didn't Windows 8 have those features? Why is Microsoft okay with them releasing what appears to be a more detailed and feature packed forked OS over WP8?

    Also one thing I don't understand is their target with these phones. If people buy them like them, and then decide to go for the more "Premium" Lumia line-up what happens when they find out that WP8 doesn't support open source app stores so they can't get a lot of the apps they've been using. Are they just hoping everyone decides to move their apps to WP8 by then?

    Overall I'm surprised I think the Nokia X looks like a fantastic phone, the UI looks great and it runs Android Apps which is awesome, I'm just worried that while it will help them gain that low cost market, I don't think it'll increase the higher end WP adoption.
    02-24-2014 02:11 AM
  3. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    One thing that looked really disappointing with Nokia X is how nice the UI looked. Fast lane seems like a nice idea, and I like how it had a notification center. Why doesn't or didn't Windows 8 have those features? Why is Microsoft okay with them releasing what appears to be a more detailed and feature packed forked OS over WP8?

    Also one thing I don't understand is their target with these phones. If people buy them like them, and then decide to go for the more "Premium" Lumia line-up what happens when they find out that WP8 doesn't support open source app stores so they can't get a lot of the apps they've been using. Are they just hoping everyone decides to move their apps to WP8 by then?

    Overall I'm surprised I think the Nokia X looks like a fantastic phone, the UI looks great and it runs Android Apps which is awesome, I'm just worried that while it will help them gain that low cost market, I don't think it'll increase the higher end WP adoption.
    Let's be clear here. This is a Nokia device. Setup prior to MS buying Nokia. Obviously MS sees the use of something like this but with WP8.1 coming out I fail to see the need personally. At the price points indicated they're still not that cheap.

    Also if you heard the presentation, the idea is to push the cost of Lumia phones down over time with the X series becoming even cheaper. With the release of WP8.1 it will catch up to Android and iOS.

    You'll also know that if you watched the presentation that Google Play won't be available. Saying that I can see this being changed with some tweaking on the part of hackers.

    Lastly, I think the interface is hideous. I guess we'll see what the general public thinks. I get the feeling we'll hear calls of WP failure in amongst the review of the X.
    02-24-2014 02:21 AM
  4. bilzkh's Avatar
    To be fair ... there may be some emerging markets where Windows Phone and Lumia aren't doing well, e.g. China. I'll give Nokia some credit and assume that the focus of its X phones will *not* be in the markets where Lumia is doing well, e.g. Europe. Anyways, the Nokia X-series are as generic as they come from a hardware standpoint, it would be interesting to see if Microsoft could boot up Windows Phone 8.1 on these devices and make the process available to consumers. If not, then perhaps transition 2nd generation X/X+/XL devices towards Windows Phone 8.1.
    02-24-2014 02:22 AM
  5. Greywolf1967's Avatar
    Be clear on this.....all these phones are for markets where there is growth. Africa, Asia, parts of Europe. 2G/3G models some with wifi.

    The phones are going for first feature phone, first smartphone users.

    I do see phones like these becoming great Unlocked import devices.
    02-24-2014 02:40 AM
  6. inteller's Avatar
    First order of business April 1. fire this ****tard Elop and his band of traitorous stooges.
    02-24-2014 06:45 AM
  7. ohgood's Avatar
    First order of business April 1. fire this ****tard Elop and his band of traitorous stooges.
    he's not a stooge, he's a Trojan. the plan happened exactly as expected.
    02-24-2014 07:25 AM
  8. inteller's Avatar
    so he's a Trojan for Google now? He is a ******* twirp and a yes man. He is carrying out selfish revenge tactics for not getting named MS CEO.
    02-24-2014 07:45 AM
  9. WanderingTraveler's Avatar
    so he's a Trojan for Google now? He is a ******* twirp and a yes man. He is carrying out selfish revenge tactics for not getting named MS CEO.
    He listened to the shareholders.

    The very same shareholders who would like to see their shares in Google rise further in value.
    02-24-2014 07:49 AM
  10. palandri's Avatar
    Maybe we'll see Symbian^5 next.
    BIGPADDY likes this.
    02-24-2014 07:55 AM
  11. colinkiama's Avatar
    Tbh, i see this as a threat to windows phone. The phones at tge MWC were probably not optimised and Nokia did say they plan to release updates depending on user demand. The OS has so much potential and if all goes well and they release a high end device that sells well. It could replace WP.
    02-24-2014 08:00 AM
  12. WanderingTraveler's Avatar
    Maybe we'll see Symbian^5 next.
    *salivates at the thought of such a phone*

    Oh, and while they're at it, throw Windows Mobile 7 at us too!
    palandri likes this.
    02-24-2014 08:00 AM
  13. inteller's Avatar
    He listened to the shareholders.

    The very same shareholders who would like to see their shares in Google rise further in value.

    the shareholders got what they wanted, selling a losing unit to Microsoft. This side show should have been canned the day that deal was announced.
    02-24-2014 08:14 AM
  14. unstoppablekem's Avatar
    Will stock go up or down? I guess we will find out in 45 minutes when the market opens...
    palandri likes this.
    02-24-2014 08:16 AM
  15. inteller's Avatar
    that value will never be reflected in Nokia shares so if it goes up it is from stupidity only.
    02-24-2014 09:56 AM
  16. Zacharyw70's Avatar
    Let's be clear here. This is a Nokia device. Setup prior to MS buying Nokia. Obviously MS sees the use of something like this but with WP8.1 coming out I fail to see the need personally. At the price points indicated they're still not that cheap.

    Also if you heard the presentation, the idea is to push the cost of Lumia phones down over time with the X series becoming even cheaper. With the release of WP8.1 it will catch up to Android and iOS.

    You'll also know that if you watched the presentation that Google Play won't be available. Saying that I can see this being changed with some tweaking on the part of hackers.

    Lastly, I think the interface is hideous. I guess we'll see what the general public thinks. I get the feeling we'll hear calls of WP failure in amongst the review of the X.
    Take note he didn't say Google Play wasn't available, he mentioned it could use other stores, and he probably intentionally didn't mention the "Google" Word.
    Why is this phone being made to reduce the cost of Lumia's? Why do they need a budget phone running Android? They already have the 520 series, why can't they focus on that or introduce an even cheaper Windows Phone series of budge phones. The fact they need to resort to using Android instead just doesn't make sense to me.
    02-24-2014 01:42 PM
  17. Zacharyw70's Avatar
    Tbh, i see this as a threat to windows phone. The phones at tge MWC were probably not optimised and Nokia did say they plan to release updates depending on user demand. The OS has so much potential and if all goes well and they release a high end device that sells well. It could replace WP.
    This is what I see as well, the UI is very polished and already has a Notification Center which WP has lacked for the longest period. Not to mention it'll have third-party app stores and a ton of apps available. I don't see it taking the higher end market since Microsoft will no doubt not let them release one, but it's going to ruin WP's lower end and medium marketability and consumers aren't going to move to the higher end WP's from this.
    02-24-2014 01:45 PM
  18. tgp's Avatar
    Will stock go up or down? I guess we will find out in 45 minutes when the market opens...
    The market has spoken: Google is up, Nokia is up, and Microsoft is down. Now, the question is whether or not the Nokia X has anything to do with it...
    02-24-2014 02:15 PM
  19. jabtano's Avatar
    Just going to sell Microsoft services, hey not. Though somewhat disappointing that not one new WP device. but eh.
    02-24-2014 02:47 PM
  20. unstoppablekem's Avatar
    Though somewhat disappointing that not one new WP device. but eh.
    Wait for //build.
    02-24-2014 03:31 PM
  21. csd_images's Avatar
    Here's an interesting thought that I've yet to see punted. What does this do to Google? It totally undermines what they've achieved with GMS, in that they've locked Android down to prevent the defection of OEMs from that platform. It's a clear message to other OEMs saying hey we can create a phone without Google so what's to stop you? So what's to stop MS offering a similar service other OEMs to break the monopoly of Android, kill revenue to Google and fragment the market further?

    To me whilst it may seem counter-intuitive to release an AOSP phone, it's a great Trojan horse to get people hooked on MS services and from that they are locked into a eco-system and more importantly away from Google.
    02-24-2014 05:37 PM
  22. ohgood's Avatar
    Here's an interesting thought that I've yet to see punted. What does this do to Google? It totally undermines what they've achieved with GMS, in that they've locked Android down to prevent the defection of OEMs from that platform. It's a clear message to other OEMs saying hey we can create a phone without Google so what's to stop you? So what's to stop MS offering a similar service other OEMs to break the monopoly of Android, kill revenue to Google and fragment the market further?

    To me whilst it may seem counter-intuitive to release an AOSP phone, it's a great Trojan horse to get people hooked on MS services and from that they are locked into a eco-system and more importantly away from Google.
    I think you're putting too much value in the services. people don't care where their stuff is as long as it is theirs and accessible.
    02-24-2014 08:35 PM
  23. a5cent's Avatar
    Here's an interesting thought that I've yet to see punted. What does this do to Google? It totally undermines what they've achieved with GMS, in that they've locked Android down to prevent the defection of OEMs from that platform. It's a clear message to other OEMs saying hey we can create a phone without Google so what's to stop you? So what's to stop MS offering a similar service other OEMs to break the monopoly of Android, kill revenue to Google and fragment the market further?
    I speculated along the same lines. See this.
    02-24-2014 11:02 PM
  24. anony_mouse's Avatar
    One thing that looked really disappointing with Nokia X is how nice the UI looked. Fast lane seems like a nice idea, and I like how it had a notification center. Why doesn't or didn't Windows 8 have those features? Why is Microsoft okay with them releasing what appears to be a more detailed and feature packed forked OS over WP8?

    Also one thing I don't understand is their target with these phones. If people buy them like them, and then decide to go for the more "Premium" Lumia line-up what happens when they find out that WP8 doesn't support open source app stores so they can't get a lot of the apps they've been using. Are they just hoping everyone decides to move their apps to WP8 by then?

    Overall I'm surprised I think the Nokia X looks like a fantastic phone, the UI looks great and it runs Android Apps which is awesome, I'm just worried that while it will help them gain that low cost market, I don't think it'll increase the higher end WP adoption.
    If all this is true, should Microsoft even continue with Windows Phone?
    Last edited by anony_mouse; 02-25-2014 at 02:48 AM. Reason: Better wording
    02-25-2014 01:32 AM
  25. ohgood's Avatar
    Here's an interesting thought that I've yet to see punted. What does this do to Google? It totally undermines what they've achieved with GMS, in that they've locked Android down to prevent the defection of OEMs from that platform. It's a clear message to other OEMs saying hey we can create a phone without Google so what's to stop you? So what's to stop MS offering a similar service other OEMs to break the monopoly of Android, kill revenue to Google and fragment the market further?

    To me whilst it may seem counter-intuitive to release an AOSP phone, it's a great Trojan horse to get people hooked on MS services and from that they are locked into a eco-system and more importantly away from Google.
    hmm, locking users into one services provider is bad, but the next one is good.

    it seems letting users choose their own path is the best way to avoid evil.
    anony_mouse likes this.
    02-25-2014 09:21 AM
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