1. WindowsCentral.com's Avatar

    A new rumor claims the unannounced Lumia 830 phone from Microsoft will come with a 10 megapixel PureView rear camera, along with a Qualcomm Snapdragon 800 processor.

    Full story from the WPCentral blog...
    09-02-2014 09:30 AM
  2. imnotevenhererightnow's Avatar
    It went from "nearly certain to buy" to "i'll wait and see"

    Even with a 13MP camera, I think I could've lived with it.

    When MS itself is calling it a "affordable high-end" phone, then there needs to be some actual "high end features. They're giving us a 720p screen and featuring the design language of the 1020 and a highlight. Should we not infer (and expect) that the CAMERA, of all things should be the "high end" part in this handset?
    Shobin Drogan likes this.
    09-02-2014 11:40 AM
  3. imnotevenhererightnow's Avatar
    WMPoweruser reporting rumors of a 10MP camera has me rethinking where the "high end" in this device is located.

    When MS itself is calling it an "affordable high-end" phone, then there needs to be some actual "high end features. They're giving us a 720p screen and featuring the design language of the 1020 as a highlight. Should we not infer (and expect) that the CAMERA, of all things should be the "high end" part in this handset?

    I love the fact that it looks increasingly likely that it will be a snapdragon 800/01. But still, everything we've seen so far has MS emphasizing the camera. Would 10MP disappoint you or change your mind here?
    Last edited by imnotevenhererightnow; 09-02-2014 at 12:09 PM. Reason: grammar/clarity
    09-02-2014 11:45 AM
  4. a5cent's Avatar
    When MS itself is calling it a "affordable high-end" phone, then there needs to be some actual "high end features.
    I think one could argue that the Snapdragon 800 will provide "high end" performance, so there is that. Combined with a 720p display (meaning it has fewer pixels to push than its 1080p brethren), will make this the fastest Lumia device currently on the market, bare none.

    The slight reductions in other places is what makes it affordable, and lets be honest, 10 MP is still plenty. That is still more than what anyone can view on a 4K display, a display which very few (if anybody) on this site even owns. Of course there are some good reasons to want higher resolutions, like reframing (for which even 20MP is just barely enough), but picture quality definitely isn't one of them.

    What I'll be looking at is battery life.
    09-02-2014 12:10 PM
  5. imnotevenhererightnow's Avatar
    excellent point about the processor. I think the difficult thing for me is the mixed messages sent by the invitations to IFA. clearly it's intentional that the look of the 830 is similar to the 1020. Because of that, I've been looking for the camera to be the "high end" feature of this device.

    I'd be thrilled if the maybe the 10MP camera came with a 1/1.8 sensor.
    a5cent likes this.
    09-02-2014 12:18 PM
  6. jmajid's Avatar
    I think someone had this thought before i did - but.... i would prefer a larger pixel size 10MP over a 20MP current pixel size sensor...larger pixels are the way to go - so long as the overall MP count doesnt go too low, like the HTC One (M7 or M8)
    I have had a N8 and now have a Pureview 808 - along with my very cheap lumia 520 :)
    i use the lumia for the day to day apps and usability, but nothing beats the N8 or 808 for photos, because of their sensor size and the pixel size....
    09-02-2014 12:21 PM
  7. PostItNote's Avatar
    larger pixels are the way to go - so long as the overall MP count doesnt go too low, like the HTC One (M7 or M8)
    Agreed. Put the same size sensor as in the Lumia 1020 but with 10MP and you are talking a great shooter. It's harder to show off in ads and doesn't have the same curiosity as a 41MP shooter, but the image quality should be much better.
    09-02-2014 12:35 PM
  8. DoctorSaline's Avatar
    What is funny is that the phrase "affordable high end" is an oxymoron in itself.

    That said, the 1/1.5" sensor in 1020 would be very expensive and it would be hard to price the phone within an affordable range.

    That's not to say that 1/2.5" sensor used in Lumia930/Icon is a slouch. Because, it is not. Samsung and Sony only recently started using this sensor size in their flagships.

    Thirdly, the quality of camera is also dependant on optics and software algorithms. And Zeiss optics is no slouch either. That coupled with pureview technology that includes OIS and supersampling technology(software algorithms) makes for a great camera tech.

    So, all in all, if 830 comes with same sensor as 1520/930 ie 1/2.3" or 1/2.5" sensor size with 10MP which would mean that individual pixel size will be larger than 1520/930 which will in turn mean better low light photography and filming coupled with Zeiss Optics and Pureview tech will make for a great camera.

    That and if it comes with SD800, that would be great.

    Conclusion: If what I said turns out to be true, then it would make for a great midranger device.

    "Smaller megapixel count is not necessarily bad."

    P.S Unless, it is 4MP, which is too low a number, then it is bad. :P
    Dreamspell likes this.
    09-02-2014 12:56 PM
  9. joeinbh's Avatar
    I've been saying I'll buy the 830 if it has a great camera, but I also don't define a great camera as only one having a high megapixel count. I speculated awhile back that we're looking at an entirely new camera here, and thought a big sensor might be the defining feature. I'd be indifferent to a half-inch sensor at 10mp and the 1/2.5" sensor in the 930. By comparison, the iPhone 5S uses a 1/3" sensor to capture 8mp.
    09-02-2014 12:57 PM
  10. Poirots Progeny's Avatar
    Actually that would be awesome, having a larger sensor with a 10mp ois based camera. That said 20mp would make this device awesome. However there is a slight lag when using the 1520 camera, the device having the s800; so going with a 10mp setup may make something a whole lot faster and user friendly (I love my 1020 but it is slow). Perhaps 10mp with improved tech will make this the best camera phone? Certainly possible.
    ti-ta-topf likes this.
    09-02-2014 12:58 PM
  11. AlexanderPD's Avatar
    i'm a little worried about the recent WPDang leak, i'm sure i read SD800 some hours ago but now the article says SD400 :\
    09-02-2014 01:15 PM
  12. DoctorSaline's Avatar
    i'm a little worried about the recent WPDang leak, i'm sure i read SD800 some hours ago but now the article says SD400 :\
    Atleast, it will be cheaper. SD400 is not a bad chipset by any means. Problem is gpu. Cant they use Adreno320 with SD400? It will be good in day to day tasks and better in gaming.
    09-02-2014 01:48 PM
  13. jpal12's Avatar
    It will have a 10 or 13 MP camera with large pixels like the 92x.
    09-02-2014 02:04 PM
  14. a5cent's Avatar
    I'd be thrilled if the maybe the 10MP camera came with a 1/1.8 sensor.
    Such a 1/1.8" sensor (8.933 mm diagonal) would definitely be something to get very excited about! That would put it six common sensor sizes above the Lumia 920 and just two below the Lumia 1020. It would also blow the 930/1520 out of the water, which is why I'm sceptical.

    Model Sensor Size Diagonal [mm]
    Lumia 920 5.680
    HTC One M8 / Lumia 925 6.000
    Lumia 930/1520 7.182
    Lumia 1020 11.000
    09-02-2014 03:03 PM
  15. imnotevenhererightnow's Avatar
    I'm now officially hoping that they find a way to make this device (spec-wise) essentially comparable to a 2014 version of the N8. I mean, we're in the ballpark with 10MP. If they can find a way to squeeze a larger sensor into this phone, then it still wins on nearly all fronts. It all comes down to whether the camera hardware brings any real "high-end" to this device. With today's software, that would be a glorious midrange experience.
    09-02-2014 05:14 PM
  16. colinkiama's Avatar
    I don't think you guys realise how good it is that it is 10mp. The snapdragon 800 will easily process those pics. Shot to shot times will be amazing.
    09-02-2014 05:23 PM
  17. Xabier Granja's Avatar
    You do NOT need 20MP for absolutely anything on a phone, unless you're making 30" prints from your phone in which case you have different problems in your life and should be using an APSC or FF sensor camera anyway.

    10MP will be more than plenty on the 830 as long as is a Pureview range camera, drawing from different technological advantages SW and HW wise. It's the quality of the end picture that matters, not how many MP a single shot has. C'mon people, it's the 2010s, not the 1990s or the 2000s anymore. The MP race is gone and everybody should know better by now.
    DennisvdG, a5cent and Guytronic like this.
    09-02-2014 05:28 PM

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