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  1. godsgreat_87's Avatar
    So wil google sit idle?? They might also come up some plan to install android over wp devices :-p
    03-18-2015 12:19 PM
  2. Blacklac's Avatar
    So wil google sit idle?? They might also come up some plan to install android over wp devices :-p
    Sorry, that wont ever happen.
    a5cent likes this.
    03-18-2015 12:21 PM
  3. tgp's Avatar
    But if lots of ppl decide to show interest in coverting their androids to windows phones and start to prefer it,then OEM's will simply say, if this is the os our consumers want then lets just put windows on our next flagship in the first place, so our buyers dont have to convert
    Yup makes sense. But at the same time, how many smartphone users flash, root, jailbreak, sideload, etc? I'd guess not many, relatively speaking. Even if flashing to WP becomes a reality, will it make a noticeable difference in numbers?
    bo_woods likes this.
    03-18-2015 01:38 PM
  4. a5cent's Avatar
    So wil google sit idle?? They might also come up some plan to install android over wp devices :-p
    Windows secure boot and the TPM chip in every WP device makes that technically impossible without explicit support by MS... which Google won't get.
    Google doesn't have that level of control over Android.
    03-18-2015 01:41 PM
  5. muneshyne21's Avatar
    Gamer changer. Hopefully in the future we can buy any Android flagship and install WP10 instead of having to wait for a Flagship WP to come out! The only issue would be firmware support. This might eventually be covered by the folks at XDA. This is probably the smartest idea ever to grab some of the Android pie. Since those rooting their phones have the flexibility to revert back, it allows them to try WP OS for free. Even if only 5% of them like the OS, that would be a scary chunk of the global user base.
    03-18-2015 04:01 PM
  6. Blacklac's Avatar
    This actually makes me sad the Nexus line isn't inexpensive anymore.
    03-18-2015 05:50 PM
  7. bo_woods's Avatar
    Yup makes sense. But at the same time, how many smartphone users flash, root, jailbreak, sideload, etc? I'd guess not many, relatively speaking. Even if flashing to WP becomes a reality, will it make a noticeable difference in numbers?
    True
    03-18-2015 07:17 PM
  8. hotphil's Avatar
    Excellent. I shall pick up a few Xiaomis.
    03-18-2015 08:27 PM
  9. ajaya p's Avatar
    Microsoft almost share many features to android. So I wait if Microsoft share there Lumia camera to android. I am sure i switch to android phone.
    03-18-2015 11:36 PM
  10. rockstarzzz's Avatar
    So wil google sit idle?? They might also come up some plan to install android over wp devices :-p
    ​I will be glad, if Google comes up with a plan to even install its Google Apps on WP devices - that would be a good start. Forget getting the entire OS for WP users.
    a5cent likes this.
    03-19-2015 07:43 AM
  11. DavidinCT's Avatar
    As I love this concept (want a LG G3 with WP on it), I wonder how it will be done ?

    Could I take a perfect clone of Android, then put WP on it and capture a perfect clone of WP so I can put Android back on it ? So when I install the OS, it's EXACTLY how it was before with out having to restore any more stuff.

    Would be nice, swap OS's per day if you wanted and all those apps you cant run on WP, for the day I need it, I would use Android...

    Even better if you can back them up on a MicroSD card in the phone, click a app, restore WP, and do the same thing to Android....

    Used to do the same thing with WIndows Mobile builds, had clones of the phone with a backup software so I would always have 3-4 builds on my MicroSD card, and if I wanted a feature or lookl, just restore and go !
    03-19-2015 09:50 AM
  12. Mike Majeski's Avatar
    Would love if this was available to all android phones. Have an old Galaxy Avant sitting around that is pretty much useless with Android and Touch Wiz. Would probably be a decent phone with WP installed.
    03-19-2015 10:16 AM
  13. tgp's Avatar
    Could I take a perfect clone of Android, then put WP on it and capture a perfect clone of WP so I can put Android back on it ? So when I install the OS, it's EXACTLY how it was before with out having to restore any more stuff.
    Yes, that's actually quite simple, as long as a custom recovery is available for your phone. The stock recoveries generally don't have that capability. It's called a "nandroid" backup. Restore the nandroid backup, and everything is exactly, and I mean exactly, as you left it.

    That's what some developers use. They make a nandroid before testing a new ROM or even an app, and if something goes south, they just restore the nandroid.
    03-19-2015 10:29 AM
  14. DavidinCT's Avatar
    Would love if this was available to all android phones. Have an old Galaxy Avant sitting around that is pretty much useless with Android and Touch Wiz. Would probably be a decent phone with WP installed.
    Not sure you would see this across the board, As each phone needs drivers for everything. Unless MS made a installer like Windows is now (has drivers for each chipset used and would use as needed), I would not count on it coming to older devices.

    And it would be limited per hardware too, as really old phones would perform really bad with WP, so I would bet older phones would be blocked if it could not run good.


    Yes, that's actually quite simple, as long as a custom recovery is available for your phone. The stock recoveries generally don't have that capability. It's called a "nandroid" backup. Restore the nandroid backup, and everything is exactly, and I mean exactly, as you left it.

    That's what some developers use. They make a nandroid before testing a new ROM or even an app, and if something goes south, they just restore the nandroid.
    Now we just need something like that for Windows Phone :-/

    We used to be able to do it in Zune (when you took a update it copied a complete image of your phone, with a script you could trick it to backup at any time and restore at any time) but, that is long dead.

    The backup option in WP is worthless for a case like this, as you might restore some settings and your app list, you still have to re-download everything and lose app settings. We need a perfect clone and restore option for WP...
    03-19-2015 10:44 AM
  15. tgp's Avatar
    Now we just need something like that for Windows Phone :-/
    You know, for all the issues that come with Android being open, it does have its advantages!

    I have to wonder though if the same recovery backup wouldn't work for a flashed WP ROM. I guess that all depends on what gets overwritten by the WP ROM when it's installed. If the stock recovery stays, the nandroid backup might work. I believe it's basically an image.

    We have imaging, or cloning, software at work that we use on customers' hard drives before we start doing something major in case we need to "undo". Would the same thing work on a flashable WP? I don't know; it might.
    03-19-2015 11:25 AM
  16. a5cent's Avatar
    You know, for all the issues that come with Android being open, it does have its advantages!.
    True, except this isn't one of them. The benefactors of Android being open source are OEMs. End user "benefit" only indirectly, in the sense that they have more variations of Android to choose from, particularly AOSP Android variants, but depending on the customer, that could also be viewed as a negative.
    What you're referring to here is the result of Google heavily prioritizing end user features and time to market over all other engineering concerns, whereas MS' WP development roadmaps emphasize everything except those two things. Has little to do with Android being open source a.k.a more "open".
    03-19-2015 11:54 AM
  17. srikanth reddy4's Avatar
    Hope some one will port the ROM to media-tek devices
    03-19-2015 11:59 AM
  18. tgp's Avatar
    True, except this isn't one of them. The benefactors of Android being open source are OEMs. End user "benefit" only indirectly, in the sense that they have more variations of Android to choose from, particularly AOSP Android variants, but depending on the customer, that could also be viewed as a negative.
    What you're referring to here is the result of Google heavily prioritizing end user features and time to market over all other engineering concerns, whereas MS' WP development roadmaps emphasize everything except those two things. Has little to do with Android being open source a.k.a more "open".
    Technically, yes, I get what you're saying. But why can I make a nandroid of a Samsung Galaxy S4 but not a Samsung Ativ SE, which are pretty much the same hardware? You're being a bit more technical than I was thinking!
    a5cent likes this.
    03-19-2015 12:03 PM
  19. Shobin Drogan's Avatar
    Why on earth would Google give WP users android? There is no reason for Google to do that, the user base for windows phone is already so tiny, people who bought one, knew what they bought. It's not like we bought a WP simply because everyone else has one. The position Microsoft is at right now would benefit this move, it would make no difference to Google.
    03-19-2015 12:14 PM
  20. a5cent's Avatar
    Why on earth would Google give WP users android? There is no reason for Google to do that.

    Ehm... maybe because that's exactly what Android was built for? It literally exists to be given away to whomever wants to use it. The better question is why wouldn't Google want to do that? Anything Google can do to limit WP's market share is a good thing for them, and now is the best time to do it. Google would be stupid not to.

    It's just a moot point, because flashing Android on a WP device is technically pretty much impossible without direct involvement and cooperation from MS, which is highly unlikely to say the least.
    Last edited by a5cent; 03-19-2015 at 02:08 PM. Reason: spelling
    srikanth reddy4 likes this.
    03-19-2015 01:18 PM
  21. FearL0rd's Avatar
    Make one for my GS and My old Acer A500 Tab
    03-19-2015 01:58 PM
  22. srikanth reddy4's Avatar
    Ehm... maybe because that's exactly what Android was built for? It literally exists to be given away to whomever wants to use it. The better question is why wouldn't Google want to do that? Anything Google can do to limit WP's market share is a good thing for them, and now is the best time to do it. Google would be stupid not to.

    It's just a moot point, because flashing Android on a WP device is technically pretty much impossible without direct involvement and cooperation from MS, which is highly unlikely to say the least.

    Its true.....no one can touch the core part of wp software without MS support which MS wont do
    03-20-2015 07:59 AM
  23. a5cent's Avatar
    Its true.....no one can touch the core part of wp software without MS support which MS wont do
    The problem for Google is not that they can't modify WP. They don't need to. The problem is Windows secure boot and the TPM chip in each device that prohibits anything that isn't code-signed by MS' from booting.

    So far nobody has been able to circumvent that system, not to mention that even if some XDA developer had, it would still be illegal and therefore not viable for a company like Google.
    03-20-2015 11:35 AM
  24. FearL0rd's Avatar
    XDA will help port WP to other devices
    muneshyne21 likes this.
    03-20-2015 10:26 PM
  25. a5cent's Avatar
    ^ read again.
    03-20-2015 10:58 PM
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