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  1. squire777's Avatar
    Thurrott is one of the few decent Windows blogger, and he has good sources. This is most likely true.
    I wouldn't believe it just yet. Thurrot has a tendency to write these types of overly-dramatic articles indicating the death of Windows Phone and he ends up being wrong.
    HeyCori likes this.
    04-28-2015 12:43 PM
  2. Makm's Avatar
    I'm guessing the same, certain apps work better on windows and vice versa, wondering if the apps will be optimized for windows phones, also wouldn't that mean that windows will face the same security issues which Android has?
    Yap I wonder those too...
    04-28-2015 12:44 PM
  3. NICK TOALE's Avatar
    The whole point of Windows Phone is it doesn't run crap apps from Android. WP is a much more stable experience than Android will ever be. And I try to avoid google stuff as much as possible. I hope Microsoft see some sense I'm seeing a lot more people with WP nowadays.
    prasath1234 likes this.
    04-28-2015 12:45 PM
  4. hacer619's Avatar
    I think its a good move from Microsoft. First, they fill the app gap by introducing android apps. Once, they gain market share, they stop android apps in a way so devs can port their apps.
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    04-28-2015 12:55 PM
  5. a5cent's Avatar
    The opinions seem to be polarized on this. Personally, If true, I happen to think it's bad news for the platform.

    Nothing to do but wait and see....

    Based on last year's discussions, I estimate that WP users are split about 50/50. Developers definitely aren't however. Introduce that ability without heavy limitations and restrictions, and all 3rd party app development for WP will cease within a very short time, likely also signaling MS' retreat from the consumer space and the crash and burn of universal apps before they even got off the ground

    It's very delicate and tricky business, and the devil will be in the details.

    You're definitely right. The only thing for us to do right now is wait and see.
    04-28-2015 12:58 PM
  6. HeyCori's Avatar
    Ultimately allowing Android apps would be the death knell for WP app development. True, it may be beneficial since the platform is not gaining significant traction or seems capable of sustaining momentum. However, it leaves little reason for developers to create a WP app or even a universal app. I'd imagine most would consider their Android app "enough work." Though it would be interesting to see how MS overcomes the technical issues around Android emulation. Will apps run smooth? Are they sandboxed? Will they be able to incorporate the notification center? Cortana? Here maps?

    Hopefully Android emulation isn't their plan to close the app gap. We've seen how that has worked out for Amazon and BlackBerry. People do not want to (or even know how to) download apps from a different store. It's asking for too much from the end user. Though, as a side project for more "advanced" users, Android emulation could be perfectly acceptable. Microsoft would just need some other incentive to keep developers from leaving.

    Plus, I'd be amazed if Microsoft mastered app emulation from all the major stores. Being able to run any software would make Windows Phone much more like Windows. That is something I would get excited about.

    One phone to rule them all
    One app store to find them
    One company to bring them all
    And in emulation bind them
    04-28-2015 01:03 PM
  7. Narciso Neto's Avatar
    IMO making Windows Phone support Android apps is the only way to get developer attention.
    Let's face it, major app developers doesn't look for Windows Pone unless there's any kind of agreement between them and Microsoft (Instagram Beta was bought, Faceboook is mad eby Microsoft, Vine app was an agreement with Twitter and so on...).

    If Microsoft let all of those devs (Tinder, Snapchat, Vine, Instagram, Facebook, Twitter...) put their Android app on Windows Store they will already give us a look. In this moment there will be no excuse to not buy a Lumia Windows Phone (market share rises!).

    Later Microsoft could make an app promotion... "Adapt your UI to Windows and get on top of Store search and Spotlights".
    The problem of having Android UI on Windows would be A LOT LESS negative to Windows platform. (normal people wouldn't even care!)

    tl;dr: It's better have apps without Windows UI and sell Lumia phones than not having apps AT ALL!
    Ashish Gupta888 likes this.
    04-28-2015 01:36 PM
  8. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Besides Snapchat, what other Android apps don't run at all on BB10? Which apps require Google services?

    Sent from my Moto X using Tapatalk
    There are apps that use Google services as dependencies (location, etc.) and there are methods (cough, cough, hack) to remove those dependencies which allow your device's own systems to work. Now, there are apps that require Google Play services such as Google Wallet and the Play Store app. I'm not aware of any reliable methods to make those work nor do I care to use them. As for Snapchat, I have no Earthly idea.
    04-28-2015 01:39 PM
  9. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    There are apps that use Google services as dependencies (location, etc.) and there are methods (cough, cough, hack) to remove those dependencies which allow your device's own systems to work. Now, there are apps that require Google Play services such as Google Wallet and the Play Store app. I'm not aware of any reliable methods to make those work nor do I care to use them. As for Snapchat, I have no Earthly idea.
    I don't care about Snapchat. You've answered my question, though, about Wallet. How about banking apps? Do the Android versions work on BB10?

    Sent from my Moto X using Tapatalk
    04-28-2015 01:41 PM
  10. Narciso Neto's Avatar
    Ultimately allowing Android apps would be the death knell for WP app development.
    What app development? Rudy Huyn making hard work and trying to not get his apps pulled down from Store?


    However, it leaves little reason for developers to create a WP app or even a universal app.
    And tell me what is the reason any app developer will look at Windows right now? a new developing tool? Visual Studio is already one of the best and still no dev look for Windows Phone!


    Though, as a side project for more "advanced" users, Android emulation could be perfectly acceptable. Microsoft would just need some other incentive to keep developers from leaving.
    No, Microsoft needs to sell Lumia phones to get OS share in US to grow! A bigger OS share will get us apps. How they will sell those phone to normal people? Promising an app for a year after?
    prasath1234 and Spectrum90 like this.
    04-28-2015 01:42 PM
  11. rhapdog's Avatar
    Thank you. This is what I've been trying to say all along that everyone always takes out of proportion. It's not Android apps on WP running in an emulator like BB10, its an Android app that is then easily ported and repackaged as a native Windows app.
    I would love to see a source for this. So far, all I've seen is rumor and speculation for Android apps coming in any way to Windows. Haven't yet seen anything credible from a reliable source at Microsoft yet.

    Even Paul Thurrott says, "most likely," because he isn't sure about it either. He also seems unsure of the methodology that will be used to accomplish it.

    I suppose we'll just have to wait until the end of Build to know for sure if it was going to be announced at Build.
    JohnStrk, Jorge Holguin and a5cent like this.
    04-28-2015 01:51 PM
  12. fatclue_98's Avatar
    I don't care about Snapchat. You've answered my question, though, about Wallet. How about banking apps? Do the Android versions work on BB10?

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    I use Wells Fargo and it works fine. There's also Mint on the Amazon App Store that is even better but doesn't support mobile deposits.
    04-28-2015 01:53 PM
  13. HeyCori's Avatar
    What app development? Rudy Huyn making hard work and trying to not get his apps pulled down from Store?
    Really? REALLY? That has absolutely zero to do with anything I said. Your ridiculous comments will not receive a serious answer. Go pick fights somewhere else.
    a5cent likes this.
    04-28-2015 01:54 PM
  14. Kodiak12's Avatar
    I never once heard anybody say to a Mac user "You're using Office for Mac? I wouldn't be caught dead using anything except iWork." Sounds ridiculous doesn't it?
    You'd be surprised. Having recently transitioned from Apple I can honestly say the Apple fanboyism I left is indeed rabid in every way imaginable. :)

    Many of them are very narrow-minded consumers who can't imagine why anyone would use anything but iWork. These types have no concept of productivity beyond garage sale flyers, lost dog posters and simple spreadsheets.
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    04-28-2015 02:04 PM
  15. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    Besides myself, anybody else here using a BlackBerry with 10.3? The reason I ask is because I keep reading the same tired posts over and over about how Android apps don't run well on BlackBerry. If you haven't tried it on 10.3 then you don't know what you're talking about. There is zero difference between a BB and a KitKat Android device.

    If WP10 can "run" Android apps as well as BlackBerry, who cares? Android and iOS users are enjoying Microsoft apps on their devices and they're not shunning their own handsets for not using "native" apps. Why should anybody else? I never once heard anybody say to a Mac user "You're using Office for Mac? I wouldn't be caught dead using anything except iWork." Sounds ridiculous doesn't it?
    You do realize what you said makes no sense right.
    Android and IOS users aren't using Microsoft apps from the windows store. You can't download fhotoroom for windows phone on android and ios. They are using Microsoft apps made specifically for those platforms.

    I have no clue how android apps run on blackberry but I do know android apps certainly hasn't helped blackberry be relevant in the least. I do also know that native apps made specifically for blackberry are far and few between from my understanding.

    So if this is the case I certainly will be dropping my Lumia and getting myself an iPhone
    04-28-2015 02:09 PM
  16. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    I just said the other day I am getting bored with windows phone and I am not a fan of windows 10 for phones just yet.

    Hearing android apps coming to windows phone will be precisely why I move over to the iPhone.
    04-28-2015 02:13 PM
  17. someone2639's Avatar
    I just realized, with Android app support...


    There's native Java support!
    prasath1234 likes this.
    04-28-2015 02:16 PM
  18. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    I think its a good move from Microsoft. First, they fill the app gap by introducing android apps. Once, they gain market share, they stop android apps in a way so devs can port their apps.
    Working great for blackberry. /s
    prasath1234 likes this.
    04-28-2015 02:18 PM
  19. PepperdotNet's Avatar
    Hearing android apps coming to windows phone will be precisely why I move over to the iPhone.
    This, and all the people threatening to move to Android, is the part that makes no sense.

    "If my Windows phone suddenly gains the capability to run Android apps, I will move to something that doesn't."

    "If my Windows phone suddenly gains the capability to run Android apps, I will move to an Android that can't run Windows apps."

    Both statements make equal sense, if the reason you have a Windows Phone is because you like Windows Phone.
    04-28-2015 02:21 PM
  20. fatclue_98's Avatar
    You do realize what you said makes no sense right.
    Android and IOS users aren't using Microsoft apps from the windows store. You can't download fhotoroom for windows phone on android and ios. They are using Microsoft apps made specifically for those platforms.

    I have no clue how android apps run on blackberry but I do know android apps certainly hasn't helped blackberry be relevant in the least. I do also know that native apps made specifically for blackberry are far and few between from my understanding.

    So if this is the case I certainly will be dropping my Lumia and getting myself an iPhone
    My post, and this thread in general, has nothing to do with making WP or BlackBerry any more or less relevant. It has nothing to do with where the apps come from nor what the BlackBerry World app count is. The thread is solely about running Android apps, whether ported, native or from an emulator, to run on WP. I mentioned BB because it's the closest example of what's being rumored and from my personal experience, it's not what some theorize.

    If you wish to drop WP in favor of any other platform, you're certainly free to do so. But to willfully exclude products to enhance the experience on the platform you profess so much love for because the apps are not native is seriously short-changing yourself. But hey, knock yourself out.
    Laura Knotek and prasath1234 like this.
    04-28-2015 02:23 PM
  21. xandros9's Avatar
    Besides myself, anybody else here using a BlackBerry with 10.3? The reason I ask is because I keep reading the same tired posts over and over about how Android apps don't run well on BlackBerry. If you haven't tried it on 10.3 then you don't know what you're talking about. There is zero difference between a BB and a KitKat Android device.

    If WP10 can "run" Android apps as well as BlackBerry, who cares? Android and iOS users are enjoying Microsoft apps on their devices and they're not shunning their own handsets for not using "native" apps. Why should anybody else? I never once heard anybody say to a Mac user "You're using Office for Mac? I wouldn't be caught dead using anything except iWork." Sounds ridiculous doesn't it?
    I've had a Z10 and Q10 as a daily driver on 10.3.1...
    Android apps run quite well when they run. However there are some minor issues, and it isn't perfect. I'm amazed at the quality though.
    Sometimes performance can be better. (I think Scanwritr and Blackboard Learn leave some to be desired, but others like my friend's app and FNAF 2 run well)

    The ones I ran into issues with off the top of my head are Snapchat, Yik Yak, HERE, Office Lens Preview (perhaps understandable since its in development), OneNote.
    The first two needing Play Services, the middle two refusing to run at all, and the last one performing poorly.

    Without functional Play Services, its interesting to see what Google stuff runs. My friend got Play Music to run on the test Q10 I lent him. Docs worked, Drive was buggy, YMMV, etc.

    I'm not sure what's ahead in the app situation actually.
    Blackberry's App World isn't so great but Android apps adds a massive boost.
    Windows Phone is better off, but doesn't have Android. I'm left deciding which set of apps I prefer having actually. I get HERE offline maps and Office Lens on my Lumia, but then I can get a useful school app and an outdated but working Google Maps app on the Blackberry.

    etc.
    04-28-2015 02:47 PM
  22. fatclue_98's Avatar
    This, and all the people threatening to move to Android, is the part that makes no sense.

    "If my Windows phone suddenly gains the capability to run Android apps, I will move to something that doesn't."

    "If my Windows phone suddenly gains the capability to run Android apps, I will move to an Android that can't run Windows apps."

    Both statements make equal sense, if the reason you have a Windows Phone is because you like Windows Phone.
    I will huff and I will puff and I'll BLOOOOOW my house down. Then I will bite my nose off to spite my face. Does any of that make sense to you?
    04-28-2015 02:49 PM
  23. Jas00555's Avatar
    I would love to see a source for this. So far, all I've seen is rumor and speculation for Android apps coming in any way to Windows. Haven't yet seen anything credible from a reliable source at Microsoft yet.

    Even Paul Thurrott says, "most likely," because he isn't sure about it either. He also seems unsure of the methodology that will be used to accomplish it.

    I suppose we'll just have to wait until the end of Build to know for sure if it was going to be announced at Build.
    If you look at the "what to expect from Build 2015" article and read the comments, Daniel says that adding Android app support to the UAP is what he's leaning on. Tom Warren has teased it multiple times on Twitter, sometimes flat out saying it.
    04-28-2015 02:59 PM
  24. Jas00555's Avatar
    I don't care about Snapchat. You've answered my question, though, about Wallet. How about banking apps? Do the Android versions work on BB10?

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    I haven't used my Z10 in a while, but running 10.3, I couldn't get my bank (Huntington) to load. I would get to the log in screen, then it would never sign in. It worked fine on my OnePlus though. I'm not sure if that's a GMS problem or just an Android Runtime problem.
    04-28-2015 03:01 PM
  25. Nokia Boy's Avatar
    I think this rumor is mostvlikely to be true,from the one hand im glad,as much i love the OS,i hate the app gap,unable to play games that my friends do,from the other hand,this mean we'd better put the WP Store in the grave,if there was a chance to develop an app for WP,if they support android,then the chance is lost imo.Anyway i got irrirated from the app gap,maybe i will go back to Android,cant take it anymore.
    prasath1234 likes this.
    04-28-2015 03:09 PM
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