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  1. Jorge Holguin's Avatar
    My two cents: Ain't gonna happen. I believe many are confusing the emulator for developer to consumer apps.
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    04-28-2015 03:16 PM
  2. mflotron's Avatar
    • I think these will be the same apps but adapted to Microsoft services (without google services), so they need to be modified and published in Microsoft Store, no sideload possibility.
    • If the rumours of multiOS are true they should run as fast as an Android phone and look like native
    • The hamburger menu move is now understandable.


    Im the only one that thinks it is a smart move from Microsoft?
    prasath1234 likes this.
    04-28-2015 03:24 PM
  3. prasath1234's Avatar
    Even if they bring such support I won't leave my wp.I will use only native apps even it is only handful
    Jonnie LasVegas likes this.
    04-28-2015 03:27 PM
  4. Ashish Gupta888's Avatar
    • I think these will be the same apps but adapted to Microsoft services (without google services), so they need to be modified and published in Microsoft Store, no sideload possibility.
    • If the rumours of multiOS are true they should run as fast as an Android phone and look like native
    • The hamburger menu move is now understandable.


    Im the only one that thinks it is a smart move from Microsoft?
    You are not alone. It is a smart move from MS.
    04-28-2015 03:27 PM
  5. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    This, and all the people threatening to move to Android, is the part that makes no sense.

    "If my Windows phone suddenly gains the capability to run Android apps, I will move to something that doesn't."

    "If my Windows phone suddenly gains the capability to run Android apps, I will move to an Android that can't run Windows apps."

    Both statements make equal sense, if the reason you have a Windows Phone is because you like Windows Phone.
    The comment means that why settle for a second best scenario? Anything Android will be some form of VM which means they may run like crap. You can get all the MS apps on Android and they're great.

    So why stick with WP if you want Android apps? There's little point in having a half experience which what it will likely be.
    04-28-2015 03:34 PM
  6. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    The comment means that why settle for a second best scenario? Anything Android will be some form of VM which means they may run like crap. You can get all the MS apps on Android and they're great.

    So why stick with WP if you want Android apps? There's little point in having a half experience which what it will likely be.
    Another issue I could see involves paid Android apps. If I have Android apps that I bought from Google Play, would I need to buy them again for Windows?

    Sent from my Nexus 7 (2013) using Tapatalk
    04-28-2015 03:44 PM
  7. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Another issue I could see involves paid Android apps. If I have Android apps that I bought from Google Play, would I need to buy them again for Windows?

    Sent from my Nexus 7 (2013) using Tapatalk
    Interesting question there! I'm curious if it would be Google play or something more like the Amazon store... or just the MS Store with Android apps available.
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    04-28-2015 03:54 PM
  8. someone2639's Avatar
    Some of you hate the Android app idea. But I love It. I mean, we could get native Java support as well! (and before you ask, there is an ARM Java compiler.)
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    04-28-2015 03:54 PM
  9. Torcher Death's Avatar
    Because we'll all find out at BUILD...No spoilers...
    Woopsie, my bad, didn't read the article on main page.

    Because it's speculation.
    Companies don't usually comment on rumors and other stuff.
    Would've been easier if they could give a definitive yes or no rather than a this & that or maybe & come clean. Anyway guess we'll find out tmrw.
    04-28-2015 03:55 PM
  10. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Interesting question there! I'm curious if it would be Google play or something more like the Amazon store... or just the MS Store with Android apps available.
    Given the animosity that Google displays toward Microsoft, especially anything mobile, I highly doubt that any sort of access to Play can be arranged.

    In light of the less than stellar sales of Amazon's Fire Phone, an alliance between Microsoft and Amazon in this arena might actually make sense from both sides...

    My jury has not begun deliberating as all facts are not presented. The above is pure speculation.
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    04-28-2015 05:17 PM
  11. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Another issue I could see involves paid Android apps. If I have Android apps that I bought from Google Play, would I need to buy them again for Windows?

    Sent from my Nexus 7 (2013) using Tapatalk
    I have the Snap app on my Passport. I log in to my Google account and every purchase I've ever made is listed. Unless the app requires Play services, they work. Yes, paid apps too. I use my paid Docs To Go in lieu of the freebie that came with my Passport because of the OneDrive integration. Although I can't download directly from the Play Store, my Passport shows up as one of my "Android" devices.

    As I mentioned in a previous post, I wish people would get their hands dirty and understand that the new Android Runtime introduced with the Passport and Classic via 10.3 works very well. As much as I enjoy the increased functionality of my Passport, I will hang onto my Lumia until Windows 10 comes. For me, there's not one credible reason that would make me switch away from my 1520 if an Android emulator came along. That would just make my experience all the better. It's not just about apps. WP and BlackBerry are superior to iOS and Android in data resource management, power management and just plain run better. IN MY OPINION.
    04-28-2015 05:29 PM
  12. ScrubbyXD's Avatar
    the reason you have a Windows Phone is because you like Windows Phone.
    Thank you for not putting the cart before the horse. Myself and I bet most of you use Windows Phone because we prefer the OS and/or the hardware. Very few of you use a WP because of a third party app. I might be so bold as to say none of you.

    We will continue to use WP for the very reasons we are using it now. Great hardware, great first party apps, solid OS that just plain works better than the rest.

    So what does this change actually do? It lowers third party costs to put their app on the Microsoft App Store. . It gives Microsoft equal ground to Android in terms of development time/cost but also provides the install base of not just phone users but PC and Xbox as well. Thanks to Cyanogen this move also gives developers another valid reason to not tie their app into google services. This is significant in terms of marginalizing google's advantages as the Microsoft App Store would have a larger user pool than google.

    This is not a capitulation it's the first salvo of a coup d'tat.
    04-28-2015 05:30 PM
  13. fatclue_98's Avatar
    This is not a capitulation it's the first salvo of a coup d'tat.
    Or as us seafarers would say, puttin' a shot across their bow.
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    04-28-2015 05:34 PM
  14. MDK22's Avatar
    It really depends on what comes out of Build, tomorrow:
    - will there be an emulator to run Android apps unadulterated?

    - or, will porting / recompiling / rebuilding (& optimizing) Android apps codebase to Windows phone, suddenly become much easier, minimal developer resources expended, with another revenue stream.

    IF done correctly (this option), optimized for Win10, put it thru our migrator might be a boon for Windows phone. These Android apps might actually run better on Windows 10.

    BTW - I'm a software Dev, but know next to nothing about mobile Android apps.
    We'll see in the next few days, how & what & if TRUE.
    04-28-2015 05:57 PM
  15. pgg101's Avatar
    Working great for blackberry. /s
    It's pretty solid on the Passport. Maybe a bit less on a Z10 since it's a slower CPU and memory.

    But no one is forced to run Android apps. Just don't install them, problem solved.

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android on my BlackBerry Passport
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    04-28-2015 06:09 PM
  16. fatclue_98's Avatar
    It's pretty solid on the Passport. Maybe a bit less on a Z10 since it's a slower CPU and memory.

    But no one is forced to run Android apps. Just don't install them, problem solved.

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android on my BlackBerry Passport
    Can I get a witness up in here!

    Sent from my Passport using Tapatalk
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    04-28-2015 06:23 PM
  17. runamuck83's Avatar
    I have a strong belief that Microsoft will announce a unified IDE that will allow devs to write a single app that will work on both Windows / Android. Much like the way a dev can choose to compile their app to run on ARM, x86, x64 - Android will be another option.

    By doing it this way, Microsoft creates a trojan horse effect becoming to dev tool of choice for Android apps.

    Additionally, this new product/tool will also easily port existing Android code to Windows with minimal developer effort required.

    This is going to be a crowning day for Microsoft. Microsoft is going to attack Google by pulling the rug out from underneath them.
    04-28-2015 09:08 PM
  18. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    It's pretty solid on the Passport. Maybe a bit less on a Z10 since it's a slower CPU and memory.

    But no one is forced to run Android apps. Just don't install them, problem solved.

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android on my BlackBerry Passport
    Can I get a witness up in here!

    Sent from my Passport using Tapatalk
    I was saying in regards to, having android apps certainly hasn't made any sort of significant improvement for their adoption rates whatsoever. Blackberry is still irrelevant even WITH android apps.

    So I fail to see how this will help windows.

    Saying that we don't have to use Android Apps is silly considering I KNOW that. But the fact that developer's likely will do what they do with Blackberry and not make as many native apps anymore, I guess if I plan to use my smartphone AS a smartphone I eventually will have to use android apps in the first place.

    If Instagram pulls its Instagram app and I use Instagram I can use 6tag or if I want certain features, I'd have to download the android apps.

    To me this whole concept is similar to taking out a loan. I lack the cash to pay for what I need so I take out a loan....in the short term it does help out but then in the long term, I now have to deal with debt. Or I just took a steroid boost and it gave me performance boost in the short term but in the long term it tires me out faster OR has adverse effects.

    In this case, Microsoft is taking on android apps potentially with the idea that it'll raise adoption rates. It may give them a higher app count but what happens then when it also kills the 'universal app' mentality they've been preaching out, it doesn't actually GET anymore adoptions than we already have AND they risk alienating part of their userbase entirely.

    Because last I checked, Android apps have been on Blackberry apps for awhile and as nice as the OS is, it really has done nothing to help them except signal defeat in the fact they no longer are relevant enough to get apps on their own.
    04-28-2015 11:14 PM
  19. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    This, and all the people threatening to move to Android, is the part that makes no sense.

    "If my Windows phone suddenly gains the capability to run Android apps, I will move to something that doesn't."

    "If my Windows phone suddenly gains the capability to run Android apps, I will move to an Android that can't run Windows apps."

    Both statements make equal sense, if the reason you have a Windows Phone is because you like Windows Phone.
    I will huff and I will puff and I'll BLOOOOOW my house down. Then I will bite my nose off to spite my face. Does any of that make sense to you?
    That's cute. Condescending but cute lol.

    It has nothing to do with Spiting anything or anyone. I am not threatening to move to Android or IPhone from Windows phone because of android apps. It may very well turn out to be a good thing.

    Why I would leave windows phone and I am probably the BIGGEST lumia fan here....and I love my camera to death....is because of Microsoft. Been using their OS and Lumia phones for nearly 3 years. I work selling their products for goodness sake. But this half-baked ideology they have and some of the decisions they made over the years I don't agree with.

    I am not one of those people who harp on the fact that they have better version of their apps for competing OS...but they do. At the expense of making their own users and fans wait and wait and wait. How long did it take us to get a half-decent Skype app?

    Or in the case of Lumia apps...you're handicapping and taking away defining features/apps for Lumia phones to try and make your OEMs happy because they make products that are not as good and almost nobody buys them. Instead of strengthening your product that is selling, you're weakening it.

    Xbox gaming for WIndows Phone...Nuff said.

    In this case, Android apps....Instead of you fully making it easier for the developers, you made it hard and have been speaking about universal apps but android apps plus universal apps...it doesn't seem like the two can co-exist. If I can run Android apps, then why do I need to bother with windows apps anymore and why do developer's need to bother with making them native.

    The OS itself has lost its way from being a unique OS with compelling features to adding in features from other OSes but doing so poorly and removing features that were fan favorites instead of finding a way to strengthen them OR make them co-exist. Hubs anyone?

    Xbox Music and how you butchered it and expected users to be okay with a work in progress...again, nuff said.

    The fact that I haven't seen a major Windows Phone flagship(No I do not kind the M8 as it is irrelevant) since my 1520 in 2013.
    I can go on and on.

    If I leave Windows Phone, it would be for Apple because Apple is a company who was at the bottom and came back strong with a compelling product. iPhone lacked many things from the start(and to this day, still does compared to others) and yet it also had a lot of strengths and refined its competitors weaknesses.

    It doesn't simply CHASE what others are doing. It takes it time...to refine and come out with the same thing BUT better. It doesn't provide an exceptional product on COMPETITORS and barely passable/suitable on its own platform.

    I like that and unfortunately Microsoft appears half the time to be afraid to take risk by going all out and they appear to lack confidence in their own products.

    The only thing that I can remotely say I do have a hard time moving from is Surface.

    But this back and forth with windows phone and the continuing dumbing it down instead of refining it is why I would leave Windows Phone. it having android apps is really not the place.

    Because at the end of the day, If I am going to have to settle(and let's face it, in one way or another whether we love windows Phone or not, we are settling for this or that), I may as well settle with the OS with the best and cohesive experience that doesn't know what it wants to do or be.
    04-28-2015 11:28 PM
  20. Daniel Olsen's Avatar
    I've heard many people say they're going to leave WP if MS announces android apps. I'm in the COMPLETE opposite boat. I'm a 1,000 times more likely to leave if they DON'T give us android apps.
    04-28-2015 11:37 PM
  21. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    I've heard many people say they're going to leave WP if MS announces android apps. I'm in the COMPLETE opposite boat. I'm a 1,000 times more likely to leave if they DON'T give us android apps.
    And that's understandable. I certainly could see why. But I'm not sure I can agree.
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    04-28-2015 11:45 PM
  22. fatclue_98's Avatar
    ^^ The question still stands. What do any of your long posts about app counts, market share or relevance have to do with the topic? In case you missed it, the point of having Android, or any other apps, is to enhance the experience. It's made to help those who would otherwise leave the platform because of a specific app or function their preferred OS lacks. If you're happy with all that you get from WP, you're set. I'm not completely fulfilled so I purchased a Passport while I wait on WP to catch up. It's not settling, it's being prudent. Spreading bias and misinformation does not help the cause.
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    04-28-2015 11:45 PM
  23. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    ^^ The question still stands. What do any of your long posts about app counts, market share or relevance have to do with the topic? In case you missed it, the point of having Android, or any other apps, is to enhance the experience. It's made to help those who would otherwise leave the platform because of a specific app or function their preferred OS lacks. If you're happy with all that you get from WP, you're set. I'm not completely fulfilled so I purchased a Passport while I wait on WP to catch up. It's not settling, it's being prudent. Spreading bias and misinformation does not help the cause.
    At what point did I spread bias or misinformation. If I wanted android apps then people will buy android phones.

    Considering I work with the average Joe, why would a person want phone a that has android over phone b that has windows but can get android. Most average joes are going to get the android phone.

    This also potentially ruins the experience for those of us who do want native apps. I am not sure what you don't understand about that. I get your point though. But this is a short term thing that likely will not even have any positive effect.
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    04-28-2015 11:50 PM
  24. Dr_8820's Avatar
    I have a Note 3 and a 1520. I have watchespn on both. If I use the Note, it will crash at least 5 times in a 2 hour period... not one crash on the 1520... I'm not sure how this will work but I guess we'll see.
    Sent from my Nokia Lumia 1520 using Tapatalk
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    04-29-2015 12:00 AM
  25. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Considering I work with the average Joe, why would a person want phone a that has android over phone b that has windows but can get android. Most average joes are going to get the android phone.
    Your assumptions come off as gospel and you have a habit (and history) of wanting to force your opinions. Like.....now.

    Most people I know want the most bang for their buck and would choose your phone B. Nobody batted an eye when Intel Macs were able to run Windows in Boot Camp. Did it make a dent in Windows PC sales? Hardly. Did it improve Mac sales? Marginally, but it did. As one poster mentioned earlier, if you have a Windows Phone it's because you like Windows Phone. Adding non-native apps is not compelling enough to make anybody jump ship on principle alone.
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    04-29-2015 12:04 AM
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