10-09-2017 06:45 AM
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  1. Ricardo Dawkins's Avatar
    Elop was a much better option than the "Hit Refresh" guy. Looks like that will be the thing to do at IBM 2.0 in the next 10 years or less!!!
    10-05-2017 09:58 AM
  2. Keith White Jr's Avatar
    I'm a webOS lover, what do I know about popular platforms?

    My all-time favorite phone was my N-Gage QD, which I used for years, until it completely died on me, so I hear ya!
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    10-05-2017 10:22 AM
  3. DJCBS's Avatar
    I think everyone around here knows what I think about the subject. And they probably also know that I said all that happened would happen.

    Nadella understood that without the power of the Nokia brand behind it, chances of WP were none. The world didn't need a third mobile OS. Blackberry had already proven that. But even less did the world need an OS that didn't get reputable OEMs on board and had to have hardware done my the same company doing the OS.
    10-05-2017 10:23 AM
  4. ssgklu's Avatar
    Couldn't disagree more. I love Windows Phone OS/UI way more than iOS. Satya is all about revenue and business. His sentiment is likely the same for all products and services, so any competition means he is willing to throw in the towel too quickly. I honestly do not know what more he could have asked for from Nokia.
    Nokia had the best cameras and were pushing technologies. Personally, I think how Nokia was handled after the MS purchase is what led to the demise of Nokia/Windows Phone. I will always believe that allowing the most known face of Windows Phone, Joe Belfiore go on a sabbatical was a in part because Satya didn't/doesn't seem to care about mobile/phones. At the time, Windows Phone was gaining ground.

    Windows Phone 8.1 is better than W10M!

    Edited for typos.
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    10-05-2017 10:28 AM
  5. ssgklu's Avatar
    Furthermore, I feel that the promotion of Phil Spencer was more about promoting Xbox to later sell off if it's not profitable. Likely more return on a Division of MS over a product line.
    MS us going to follow BB and IBM down the path to focus only on business and enterprise. Fortunately companies are buying into 'cloud' and AI services. It seems easier for MS to focus on businesses than consumers for some reason.
    10-05-2017 10:35 AM
  6. VJJaY's Avatar
    I am really saddened by this. I really loved this OS and now struggling to get out. He just never believed in it.
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    10-05-2017 10:49 AM
  7. Jcmg62's Avatar
    If he already harbor this thought at the beginning, it's no surprise 🎊 where Windows Mobile is now. On the other hand βœ‹, it would be totally different if he thought the other way. It's all in the mind.
    Windows phone 7 was different. It caught the imagination. Windows 8 and 8.1 were the beginnings of just how awesome the platform could have been.

    Microsoft really messed up and it's costing them big time
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    10-05-2017 10:58 AM
  8. ScubaDog's Avatar
    If I could get that man fired today, I'd do it.
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    10-05-2017 10:59 AM
  9. asharma13's Avatar
    With Android's OEM strategy & budget profiles; iOS alike quality, stability & consistency & with its own features like best camera, offline maps, exceptional design & integrations (hubs) etc. Windows Phone could be a winner on long run.

    For me the problem was development of apps. I invested college time in learning WP7.5 development, then WP8 development & then WP8.1 Universal development, then W10 UWP development & now Xamarin development, I came through a long road in past 7 years & still till now I wasn't ab;e to reach major audience because of MS changing strategies.

    Satya must know that Rome wasn't built in a day. First you have to invest in long term commitment, fulfill your promises, keep amending instead of hit refresh, to increase your brand equity; to get commitment from developers & consumers.
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    10-05-2017 11:17 AM
  10. IdleMind's Avatar
    Before I begin, I am bias in favor of my WP10. Just putting that out there. :-) I feel like every industry is against any type of success with MS Mobile, and are making an effort to see to it that they do not succeed in that market. They have been ignoring it when creating apps, or the different types of electronic equipment. The excuse is, nobody is on the phone so we wont make it. The excuse of the consumer is, there are no apps so I wont buy it. You see the issue there? I never fully understood that logic. Nobody was on the other devices either initially. Then at the phone stores the sales people would nearly never show you a Windows Phone and say that it's a bad device. So now you have people not pushing your product and saying your product is bad. I would hear things like, it's too confusing and difficult to use. Really? I found it to be super simple to use. Then there's the marketing for Windows Mobile platform. Where is it? They start off with one commercial for a little then stop. They don't work to keep themselves in peoples minds. Kind of like Sega. I think lack of good marketing killed them off. They had a 41 MP camera! Man that camera was awesome. Why not build on that and make a updated 1020. Then their interface is unique. Not a bunch of icons randomly on the screen. It's easy to sort through that apps on the WP. They don't point that out in the commercials. The live tiles are actually useful. All of the things Cortana can do. She has a personality. Push that. I'm guessing that Satya doesn't use a WP himself on a daily basis so he doesn't care and just dismisses anything his company does in that market? :-/ And what's up with uservoice comments and suggestions. There's some really good feedback in there that gets ignored it seems. Just my perception. Like the swipe KB in WP10 still lags in quality when compared to how well it worked in WP 8.1 Ok I'm done with my rant. woooosaaahhh...
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    10-05-2017 11:21 AM
  11. Gregory Newman's Avatar
    If he already harbor this thought at the beginning, it's no surprise where Windows Mobile is now. On the other hand βœ‹, it would be totally different if he thought the other way. It's all in the mind.
    Nadella was Wrong People today buy Automobiles from more than 2
    auto makers so why not smart phones. Windows smart phones had a uniquege interface that Millions of people liked and bought. Millions of People who like Windows smart phones are sad today because what they like is gone. they can buy expensive iPhones or Android smart phones I donot trust Android because hackers have a lot of data on how to put malware and spyware on them. Nadella I hope does not turn Microsoft into just a software and services company. It's more than that now. Many people want and buy Surface Pro Tablets, Surface books and Surface laptops. if Nadella kills the Surface line of prducts Microsoft only has the Xbox for consumers to buy. It will be a less exciting. People do not get carried away over Windows operating systems they just use and tolerat them
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    10-05-2017 11:34 AM
  12. TechFreak1's Avatar
    Weak market share?

    You got to be kidding...

    In this case it was Windows Mobile with 'Weak market share' as Nokia owned that market completely after they came on board and other OEM's having been burnt through a miss step (Wp7 to Wp8 transition due to a kernel switch from Windows CE to the Windows NT Kernel) as Microsoft sought to unify the core.

    Look, I am going to absolutely, brutally honest here.

    If Satya Nadella doesn't see why the world needs a third ecosystem and make no mistake that is absolutely disastrous for Microsoft. because Microsoft's services ARE the THIRD ecosystem.

    If they weren't trying to create an "ecosystem" explain why there is a branding switch to Microsoft Store from Windows Store, Office 365 and consolidation services to Microsoft 365?????.

    This is the true definition of irony.

    As long the share prices keep going up, he will get a pass by the board. But the board doesn't necessarily have the best interest of the company at heart, just the share prices.

    For example Dell, they were happy to churn out mediocre laptops and products just to generate a revenue stream and unwilling to take risks.

    After Dell became private and was bought back by Michael Dell, we have seen a resurgence of risk taking and amazing products for example - the Dell 8 K monitor.

    That is risk yes but it's a statement piece - look at what we can do.

    Now compare the direction of Microsoft under Bill Gates and Ballmer with the current pathway. It's driven by short term share price growth and 100% risk reduction.

    Surface was Microsoft's statement piece and through iteration they hit the sweet spot.

    But even that is in jeopardy.

    Wall street loves predictability, consumer products are not predictable compared to enterprise products and users.

    Due to the fact Enterprises follow a set cycle or core pathway to ensure they remain up to date whilst ensuring they do not impact their cash flow.

    Satya absolutely must embrace the Third ecosystem if Microsoft is to remain relevant even in infrastructure. To presume the competitors will sit idly by whilst Microsoft pushes forward with quantum computing for example, is fundamentally naive.

    People do not love windows, most do not even acknowledge it's existence that's the price of becoming ubiqiotious. When a laptop breaks down for example, people do not say there is a issue with windows, they say "there is a issue with my laptop and it doesn't load properly". When you ask what version of Windows it is running they say "I don't know" even though they have seen the boot up logo countless of times lol.

    People do not say "my phone runs Android", they say "I have a Samsung" or "LG phone" - iphones and ipads are given.

    Similiarly they do not say I have a Microsoft surface or surface running windows-

    they say "I have a Surface" or "I have a Surface tablet".

    That is a step in the right direction but if they keep eroding consumer, oem and developer confidence, they will lose that as well along with everything else.
    Last edited by TechFreak1; 10-06-2017 at 09:16 AM. Reason: Fixed Autocorrect mistake - removed 'update' and changed to 'up'
    10-05-2017 11:39 AM
  13. Mister Wolf's Avatar
    This is one completely confused organisation. and led by a guy who has outstayed his welcome. I sold off my Surface Pro, 950xl. Switched to Mac and Android. And you know what? Their stuff just works, and works well. There are countless times I've been using this stuff and thought why the hell didn't MS think of this?

    This is clearly not a unified company, they want the ONE Windows approach to things but the company itself looks fragmented.

    They don't know how to market. They don't know how to communicate.

    This is not down to just one person, this failure has continued through two different leadership's. I would love to see Microsoft turn things around, but they don't have the balls. And they don't have the luxury of Google and Apple, where if they do screw up, if they do miscommunicate, that they will recover easily. The Xbox One still hasn't recovered from that initial announcement.
    10-05-2017 12:04 PM
  14. Mister Wolf's Avatar
    I will never understand the logic of a "tech giant" like MS ignoring the largest customer base, mobile users. Nadella helping Microsoft in making money but i fear it's short term. I hope the share holders see that.

    Twitter: @PhotographyET
    Completely agree. Short term gain, long term loss.
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    10-05-2017 12:05 PM
  15. TechJunkie81's Avatar
    "We should only be in the phone business when we have something that is really differentiated."

    You had something that was really differentiated. There was nothing on the market like WP8/WP8.1.

    Nadella is a wrong. He has no vision for the company. He isn't a real leader. He's no Gates/Ballmer. They actually cared.

    Dear Bill Gates, Come back and save your directionless company before Nadella destroys it.
    Last edited by Guytronic; 10-05-2017 at 01:12 PM.
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    10-05-2017 12:07 PM
  16. Philip Hamm's Avatar
    Glad to see I'm not the only one who loved Windows 8. In many ways it's better on a tablet than Windows 10.
    10-05-2017 12:11 PM
  17. milkybuet's Avatar
    Translation: "I don't wanna be in a market where Microsoft is not a leader, and I'm not willing to invest resources necessary to become a leader."
    10-05-2017 12:22 PM
  18. Stephen Townsley's Avatar
    Nadella said there would be 3 phones a year; a premium flagship, a business phone, and a consumer device. He said continuum was a key differentiator.

    Having been saddled with a decision he seems to have headed to the exit door without action on the public statements about phone.

    in his book he says trust is a key issue for technology companies. For buyers of Windowsphone based o Nadellas comments I would say their trust was misplaced.
    10-05-2017 01:14 PM
  19. deadonthefloor's Avatar
    β€œThere's an old saying in Tennessee β€” I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee β€” that says, fool me once, shame on β€” shame on you. Fool me β€” you can't get fooled again.”
    10-05-2017 01:19 PM
  20. giridhar kl's Avatar
    Yes, he did what needs to be done. There are no new takers for the windows phones, except us, the fans. Everyone wants apps - We do not have proper banking apps in the platform, many major games like clash of clans (pls don't remind me about age of empires when all my friends are playing clash Royale or clash of clans), snapchat etc..etc...and even if they are available, they lack the fluidity and consistency of the same apps that exist on IOS and Android.

    The app situation remained a dead end. Its not at all improving and u cant put the blame on the developers as it costs them lot of money to develop the apps for the platform and hence they develop only if there are enough takers on the platform, but there aren't enough numbers available because the users adopt the platform only if the required apps are available on the platform and hence the platform is getting neglected. So, neither the consumers are buying windows phones (except we, the fans) nor the developers are making new apps for the platform.

    Also, we cant say Microsoft didn't try and directly put the blame on them. We have seen them making lot of improvements to the IOS and Android App bridges and releasing lot of intuitive tools for the visual studio etc etc in order to lure the developers into porting their apps, which the developers didn't care.

    So, it is turning out to be a loss making business for them and any CEO, for the time being, will shut down the old 32-bit running mobile wing in order to save the costs involved in its development and may try to re-enter with a rumored 'single' windows OS with C shell for all the devices, once they feel they have the required UWP apps and necessary infrastructure to achieve success. Till then, its better to use their monopoly in PCs to draw more developers to develop UWP apps for the platform.

    I love the UI and for that sake I am still using a Lumia 640, but I am losing that little bit of patience and urge to stick on to the platform left in me, as I am losing a lot for sticking on to the platform, while my friends are enjoying a lot on other platforms. And I cant settle for a below par experience when people on other platforms are enjoying, in this 21st century. So, I am making the switch and will be optimistic for seeing the success of windows mobile in the future as I still love the platform.

    Disclaimer : These are my own views and not meant to offend anyone.
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    10-05-2017 02:06 PM
  21. mdefran65's Avatar
    If he already harbor this thought at the beginning, it's no surprise 🎊 where Windows Mobile is now. On the other hand βœ‹, it would be totally different if he thought the other way. It's all in the mind.
    I think it could have worked with lots of marketing and higher grade metirails, but I agree if there is no passion inthe 1st place it will be poorly excuted.
    10-05-2017 02:21 PM
  22. DaQuantumFro's Avatar
    As much as people (including me) disagree with the entire retrenchment aka retreat from mobile I see Nadella's point. Windows Phone needed to do more in order to justify its existence and compete against the like of iOS and Android. It couldn't just me a me too product mimicking the competition. Also buying Nokia meant taking on the debt and issues the company faced even before Elop took helm. That being said having nothing to offer the market is just as bad if not a worse look for Redmond. This means they have no real presence in the biggest computing market by far and across incomes. It also diminishes the perception of Microsoft as a tech company not having any mobile product. I think Nadella is short sighted in moving the company away from the consumer computing market and I do think it will impact the bets he is making in mixed reality.
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    10-05-2017 02:37 PM
  23. Annakanna's Avatar
    If he already harbor this thought at the beginning, it's no surprise 🎊 where Windows Mobile is now. On the other hand βœ‹, it would be totally different if he thought the other way. It's all in the mind.
    I totally agree, he never wanted it to succeed, he never believed in it's potential, so it is where it is today.ir it could have been a totally different outcome under Steve b.
    10-05-2017 03:46 PM
  24. dpz's Avatar
    I agree with a lot these comments. If he really felt that way he should've just told us so.

    I know that they have plans for mobile, but right now...it feels like they don't truly care. And reading this
    I did not get why the world needed the third ecosystem in phones...
    just reinforces that negative feeling I have right now.

    I keep hearing that Microsoft has plans to create a Windows Core OS that is as nimble as a mobile OS but as powerful as a desktop OS(when you need it to be). Unfortunately, since they were not able to establish a presence in the mobile arena (Where apps are necessary) I don't think their efforts are going to work. I hope I am wrong. I hope that they can
    change the rules

    All I know is that if I was dating a someone for a few years only to find out that they never felt the same way about me, I would be hurt and never trust them again. People would tell me, "Didn't you see the way she treated you?" and I will say, "Yes. I saw the signs, I rationalized her actions, and I believed her promises. She lied to me. I realize that now."
    10-05-2017 04:07 PM
  25. Wevenhuis's Avatar
    If he already harbor this thought at the beginning, it's no surprise 🎊 where Windows Mobile is now. On the other hand βœ‹, it would be totally different if he thought the other way. It's all in the mind.
    From my standpoint, living in Europe. I have come to know Nokia as a trusted mobile brand and cultural icon. It was horrifying to see Nokia absorbed the way it happened. Was also wishing well for the obvious inevible layoffs and the end of Nokia as we know them. That was clear from the start of the negitions and news. I was even more surprised to see Nokia ripped apart by microsoft buying out the mobile branch. while for some it meant a new opportunity, in the end it affects many people in many ways for good and for bad. Personally I think Microsoft went the wrong way with Nokia. They should have partnered with them as an exclusive partnership deal for a limited run and sharing of patents in the deal. That way grow and develop windows mobile further in collaboration. And perhaps we could still have Nokia devices, today.
    Nokia developers showed a lot of innovation in software development for nokia devices, where microsoft developers seemed to linger. But I feel the creative freedom was lost fast with the integration, and Microsoft not really knowing what they wanted windows phone OS to go, chosing patents of developers. There was offcourse the battle of the mobile OS with android and iOS. But I think Micrsoft still had many things going good with Belfiore's windows phone experience. I think if they were allowed to expand their creative freedoms more and sooner with the nokia developers, without corporate takeover, I think windows phone could still have become what we wanted of it.
    I think out of respect for Nokia, Nadella is right about not being for the aquisition. I think the good thing that did come out of it is the development of a great OS mobile design. Somthing I wish was standard on all nokia symbian devices. I think windows phone on nokia devices would have been a great business. I still think the UI is better than android or iOS, even though it may lack (behind) in features and apps.
    It's a pity to see the focus of microsoft is still increasing business. It's understandable economically. But society has also increasingly changed over time, work and life blance is becoming increasingly intertwined, as it its hardware and users accustomed to a platform. I think it is not possible to keep the consumer market in focus as well as the business and comsumerspace come closer together. I think they should still be dedicated to phone and mobile going forward. I'm not sure the continuous refreshes are always wise. As I see microsoft now, they have a lot of products and services going for them. It's time to slow down, implement, and improve fast, because windows and the devices are still rough around edge's, and there's enough room to smoothen them out. I think more business and consumer customers will be happy with this, increase branding satisfaction, and then it's time for the next chapter.
    10-05-2017 04:11 PM
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