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    Epic Games is dominating right now!
    Epic Games is absolutely on fire lately. Fortnite is showing no signs of slowing down, and today, the company revealed more than a dozen games from Deep Silver, Ubisoft, and Take-Two Interactive that will be coming to the Epic Games Store. Ubisoft announced that it is expanding its partnership with the company to begin additional titles from its back catalog to the free games program. This means that users will be able to play a number of acclaimed experiences for free through the Epic Games Store.

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    03-20-2019 01:30 PM
  2. Golfdriver97's Avatar
    Not sure if I would call the list of games 'crushing' to Steam.

    Don't get me wrong, I do prefer Steam, but I also don't think they are the greatest thing since sliced bread. One of the biggest reasons I prefer them is the gift cards. Steam doesn't have a credit card of mine, so if they do get hacked, I don't have much to worry about.

    What does make me uncomfortable about the Epic store is who owns a 40% share of them: Tencent. There is a company that I am trying to ensure that I give 0 information to. Sadly, I did have an Epic account.
    03-20-2019 04:46 PM
  3. Lee_Bo's Avatar
    Not sure if I would call the list of games 'crushing' to Steam.

    Don't get me wrong, I do prefer Steam, but I also don't think they are the greatest thing since sliced bread. One of the biggest reasons I prefer them is the gift cards. Steam doesn't have a credit card of mine, so if they do get hacked, I don't have much to worry about.

    What does make me uncomfortable about the Epic store is who owns a 40% share of them: Tencent. There is a company that I am trying to ensure that I give 0 information to. Sadly, I did have an Epic account.
    I agree. I don't think I'd call this "crushing". Two different platforms and two different game types/styles.
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    03-20-2019 09:57 PM
  4. sd4f's Avatar
    Competition is good, and I think valve deserves a good kick in the pants. We will have to wait and see how this pans out though.
    03-21-2019 05:48 AM
  5. Golfdriver97's Avatar
    Competition is good, and I think valve deserves a good kick in the pants. We will have to wait and see how this pans out though.
    This isn't competition, though. This is no different from exclusive games on one platform. If there wasn't the exclusive part, just the difference in how much each company takes, then yes, that's the competition.
    03-21-2019 08:55 AM
  6. Lee_Bo's Avatar
    Competition is great if you're comparing like services and products. But if gaming company A specializes in first person shooters and gaming company B specializes in turn based RPG's, that's not competition.
    03-21-2019 10:57 AM
  7. sd4f's Avatar
    This isn't competition, though. This is no different from exclusive games on one platform. If there wasn't the exclusive part, just the difference in how much each company takes, then yes, that's the competition.
    I agree that the exclusivity is not directly competitive, but with it, comes a fight between the stores to try to compete for exclusives, or at least encourage the other party enough so that they don't have exclusives. With that said, we, the consumer are not the client in this instance, the developer/publisher is. For too long valve has been relying on their DRM and first to market advantage, to try to keep people stuck on their platform.

    To dwell on this a little, steam allows devs/pubs to release games wherever they want, so does epic. Where this exclusivity occurs is that epic offers additional marketing only if the game is exclusive to epic, for a year i think. If you don't like it, it's the dev/pub which makes the decision, not so much the store, it's just another 'service' they sell. I also don't think it's any different than steamworks, which forces the user onto steam regardless where the game has been purchased from.

    This is why I've been for a really long time, against DRM in the first place. It's really anti-consumer, and in the case of steam, only serves the purpose of hindering competition through buyer lock-in. Steam is a walled garden of sorts that has no interest in playing nicely with any one. When valve/gaben were critical of MS with windows 8 and its app marketplace, pretty much all the criticisms of W8 could equally be leveled at valve and steam. Only interesting thing is that none of it came to pass with MS, yet valve continue to operate as always.

    Now what I most dislike about valve is that they've incorporated and mass market gambling into to some of their games and steam, and target children. Thing is, I believe fortnite has the same things. Loot boxes are a form of gambling.
    03-22-2019 03:47 AM
  8. Golfdriver97's Avatar
    As for exclusives, in my opinion, it does very little to promote competition. It brings a fragmentation to the PC on nearly the same level as the console war. I like the PC platform as a whole because a game should be hardware neutral aside from what it needs to make it run. Exclusivity promotes segregation, something that is almost as anti consumer as DRM.

    Now, for DRM....while I agree it is anti consumer, sadly, it is very prevalent in video games. The physical copies for an XB1 or PS4 title: it's just a license. That's why when throwing in a brand new copy of The Division 2, you need to download nearly the whole game in order to play. If Sony decides that a certain key is invalid, the one in possession of said key is now out the copy of the game.

    Loot boxes? This is what I think of loot boxes:
    03-22-2019 09:07 AM
  9. Golfdriver97's Avatar
    I'm not opposed to more competition to Steam. I would love if GOG had gift cards for sale; I'd probably buy more from them. What I don't like is what Epic is doing to try to prop themselves up against Steam instead of trying to develop a better game launcher. That would be the true competition.
    Last edited by Golfdriver97; 03-22-2019 at 10:51 AM.
    03-22-2019 10:29 AM

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