Another release, another bad experience on tablets

[Jas00555]

I just can't believe there still isn't even a tablet file picker yet.

​As for people saying the release of Windows 10 is still 6 months out... no. The OS will RTM a month or two before that, so that OEMs have time to get the drivers and hardware sorted out. And it'll go into feature freeze a few months before that. Being absolutely as generous as you can claiming that the summer lasts until September 21, that means that there's really only another month or two left for design changes (likely, less), and after that it's only bug fixes. What we have now is pretty much what we're going to get.

Except that what you're saying completely contradicts what Microsoft has explicitly said. At the January 21st announcement, they specifically said that they were adding new features in the next "4 to 5 months" which means that they plan on adding features all the way into potentially June.

 

[hotphil]

And with the new ability to update the entire OS via Windows Update, there's not really any guarantee that what goes to RTM will be what the user gets after their first (probably during initial setup) Windows Update.
​You might argue that gold and RTM builds are about to become a thing of the past.

 

[anon(5335899)]

Except that what you're saying completely contradicts what Microsoft has explicitly said. At the January 21st announcement, they specifically said that they were adding new features in the next "4 to 5 months" which means that they plan on adding features all the way into potentially June.

Yes, adding new features, fine. Altering the core operation of the OS, not so much. We are not talking about features here. We are talking about implemented design choices which are not reversible without a major rewrite of a lot of the core parts of the OS. The fact that in the latest build the registry hack to get the start screen back has been removed is enough evidence to conclude MSFT has now officially scrapped what was WIN8.x and decided to go with WIN7 with some tweaks and tacked on functions (read tablet mode) to make it appear they are still considering touch as important.

They have virtually given up on it. Tablet mode is nothing more than a switch which opens any app and the start menu in full screen. Give it a fancy name and some may fall for the trick.,

 

[swanlee]

Yes, adding new features, fine. Altering the core operation of the OS, not so much. We are not talking about features here. We are talking about implemented design choices which are not reversible without a major rewrite of a lot of the core parts of the OS. The fact that in the latest build the registry hack to get the start screen back has been removed is enough evidence to conclude MSFT has now officially scrapped what was WIN8.x and decided to go with WIN7 with some tweaks and tacked on functions (read tablet mode) to make it appear they are still considering touch as important.

They have virtually given up on it. Tablet mode is nothing more than a switch which opens any app and the start menu in full screen. Give it a fancy name and some may fall for the trick.,

Yea it is silly to have to GUI modes that are hardly any different than one another. It just boggles my mind they did this and it is such a huge disappointment. You would expect them to build on the Tablet GUI in Win 8 and improve it instead of throwing it all out the window.

With two modes you could really tweak things to be as efficient as possible for the type of PC input you are using. MS really messed up here.

 

[jhoff80]

Except that what you're saying completely contradicts what Microsoft has explicitly said. At the January 21st announcement, they specifically said that they were adding new features in the next "4 to 5 months" which means that they plan on adding features all the way into potentially June.

Yeah, but they also explicitly said they'd be improving Windows based on feedback too, and that certainly hasn't been happening yet. :winktongue:

Not just with regard to tablet mode, but you can look at the feedback with the most "Me Toos" and count on one hand how many of them have been implemented... which is weird considering most of that feedback has been around since 9879. And with tablet mode, well it'd be hard for anyone who cared at Microsoft to look at the "Desktop>Continuum" category and think that users think they're doing the right thing.

To be honest, this whole Preview program is starting to have the feel of a massive PR campaign to claim that things have changed since Windows 8, and that they're listening now. Meanwhile, we've seen about as much response and improvement from Microsoft as we did in the Windows 8 previews.

 

[fatclue_98]

To be honest, this whole Preview program is starting to have the feel of a massive PR campaign to claim that things have changed since Windows 8, and that they're listening now. Meanwhile, we've seen about as much response and improvement from Microsoft as we did in the Windows 8 previews.

The squeaky wheel always gets the grease. We don't know who Microsoft is really listening to.

 

[swanlee]

The squeaky wheel always gets the grease. We don't know who Microsoft is really listening to.

At this point I just hope a 3rd party like stardock make a Tablet GUI app that aims to replicate the Win 8 experience on win 10 cause I do not have any trust that MS will do it given how Win 10 is turning out.

 

[fatclue_98]

At this point I just hope a 3rd party like stardock make a Tablet GUI app that aims to replicate the Win 8 experience on win 10 cause I do not have any trust that MS will do it given how Win 10 is turning out.

That's a fair statement. Just be glad there might be customization options available, right now the Metro (Modern) UI is pretty barren as far as customizing options are concerned.

 

[theefman]

At this point I just hope a 3rd party like stardock make a Tablet GUI app that aims to replicate the Win 8 experience on win 10 cause I do not have any trust that MS will do it given how Win 10 is turning out.

That'll be ironic, this was the software Windows 8 haters turned to for escape from the touch-first design, now Windows 8 tablet users hope the same company comes to their rescue and restores the touch-first environment in W10...:grin: I see the point though, and I was actually thinking along the same lines, its probably the only thing that can make Windows 10 halfway decent for tablet users.

Would be interesting to see the respective adoption numbers for both sides....

 

[fatclue_98]

Cue the singing nuns: "You can't always get what you want".

 

[wpfan86]

what needs to be done is completely nuke all the tablet crap and make it a full desktop os something ppl will love nothin a tablet os thats gona be a thing of the past cuz no 1 buys tablets anymore

Meanwhile in 1999: "What needs to be done is completely nuke all the 'digital photography' crap and just make a really good film camera. No 1 buys digital cameras anyway."
Sincerely,
CEO of Kodak

Some people are so stubborn and terrified of change it's frightening. It's adapt or go under.

 

[jhoff80]

its probably the only thing that can make Windows 10 halfway decent for tablet users.

Other than if Microsoft put some effort into it.

There's already a tablet mode switch. It'd just be nice if that switch actually enabled something that worked well on tablets instead of just making apps run mostly fullscreen (but not completely fullscreen, as there's a separate fullscreen toggle for that) and drag to close. When there's a switch between two modes already, it actually is possible to appease both the desktop users and the tablet users.

Still though, maybe you're right that a third-party is necessary. It's pretty clear that the people working on Windows 10's tablet mode now don't actually understand what made Windows 8 work well on a tablet. Simplifying that down to 'everything fullscreen' and drag to close is completely missing the point.

 

[Paolo Cardelli]

SUGGESTIONS to further improve Windows 10 "Tablet Mode" starting from build 10041:


?Boot to "Full-Screen Start Menu" by default when Tablet Mode is permanently activated in Settings;
?Hide Taskbar by Default while in Tablet Mode, everywhere. Make it visible only by swiping from the bottom edge of the screen, like a the current menu list charms in modern apps;
?Make an "Immersive" version of Project Spartan like the current IE11 Metro while in Tablet Mode;
?Bring back the 8.1 Apps-Snapping style while in Tablet Mode;
?Hide any "old-Desktop" Windows behind the "Full-Screen Start Menu" background/transparency while in Tablet Mode;
?Make a modern full-screen "Windows Explorer" instead of opening "old-Desktop" Explorer while in Tablet Mode (this is the BIGGEST limit of 8.1 right now, maybe the only real one);
?Bring back the new announced precision touchpad gestures even on Touch Screens (Always, not only while in Tablet Mode);
?Keep the "Swipe down from upper charm" to close apps while in Tablet Mode;
?Hide the "minimize Start Menu" icon (on top right corner) when Tablet Mode is permanently activated in Settings;
?Enable Cortana searches directly on the "Full-Screen Start Menu" (on top right corner, with 8.1 Search button) when in Tablet Mode;
?Insert "Share" and "Play To" contextual buttons on Action Center (Always, not only on Tablet Mode);
?Make Action Center Full-Screen by height "Charm Bar style" when activated in Tablet Mode;
?Insert clock time and date, Always visible in bottom right corner on top of "Full-Screen Start Menu" while in Tablet Mode (Xbox One style);
?Just literally kill "old-Desktop" while in Tablet Mode...


Discussion continues on official MS Forums -> Windows 10 "Tablet Mode" Experience is much WORSE than Windows - Microsoft Community

 

[swanlee]

I've posted something in the StarDock forums to see if they could make a Application to fix Tablet mode in Win 10. Wonder how accepting they will be towards it if at all.


http://forums.stardock.com/462721/page/1/

 

[Goosinurwife]

Meanwhile in 1999: "What needs to be done is completely nuke all the 'digital photography' crap and just make a really good film camera. No 1 buys digital cameras anyway."
Sincerely,
CEO of Kodak

Some people are so stubborn and terrified of change it's frightening. It's adapt or go under.

to adapt u have to distroy all tablets those things are a thing of the past ment to be forgotten just like vhs and betamax and the laserdisc

 

[swanlee]

to adapt u have to distroy all tablets those things are a thing of the past ment to be forgotten just like vhs and betamax and the laserdisc

You have got to be kidding me with this? At this point your probably just trying to get this thread locked.

 

[eric12341]

And with that this thread is closed.