[Allen Rhodes]

So many opinions here. Especially anti WP ones. Which is ironic being that ita a WP board. I wonder if I smell an agenda or just stinky BS? No need for wannabe bloggers clogging these forums. TAke the OP and give it to MacRumors. "WP is done", lmao. All this time its been "app gap" now its security and the rest. Run away back to snicker doodle or milky way, whatever professional name they give that virus factory of a phone OS, im happy with the OS I have.

[atharva117]

The point you should be focusing on that TP runs on same core as PC, plus Microsoft have lots in their pockets for PC. They just showed it in Build, WinHEC, Ignite. PC build is almost finished. As we consider phone build for Windows 10, it isn't. Well, bunch of APIs are non essential. Few should be excluded from the ecosystem to provide better security. Porting if Android and iOS apps are optimum solution, its like if you want to reach on 100th floor they take you halfway already, so rather than starting from scratch you actually have a beginning.

[seb_r]

Yeah i do feel The same way! We used to think it is The developers fault but it is the OS that is limited, and although I enjoy a UI refresh, that alone is not enough Microsoft!

My words!

I agree with you, unless they learn from what Android apps actually can do and fixed the OS limitation, it won't change anything.

+1

What apps can't be ported to WP because of APIs limitations?

All apps can. But the question is how big is the lack of functionality compared to other OS

On top of that Microsoft said during the first keynote it was building tons of APIs in preparation for windows 10.

You got an overview of these?

A good OS is one that does not compromise the security of the user and yet delivers a good experience. And windows phone delivers that experience without compromising the users security.

Do you need that kind of amount of security? I wonder. And obviously that is not the priority for most consumers, see the market share WP has.

At build they answer most questions with 'no', 'It's still in early stage', and 'We'll provide the most optimum path for that', but almost no straight 'yes' answer.

Like on most things: no clear statement.

My Lumia 930 does everything I need it to right now.

Good for you...

I could go on forever.

Me too, with features / functions missing.

In regards to the "resuming screen" that is down to poor code optimisation and you stated that "VOIP apps need to run in the foreground", care to give examples?

Yeah, as usual developers fault, scnr ;) Well actually I refer to the way apps being treated by theOS, not the resuming. Doesn't matter which app as it is limitation by system but if you wanna have names: zoiper.

Also It is not MS's job to implement a background agent for a developer, if the developer is lazy than there is no fix for that.

Yeah...damn developers

What are you referring to? Wi Fi or Cellular?

Signal strength, traffic / data used, distinguish between H and H+ (all for cellular). I could go on forever...

Apps operate in a secure container so they don't have access to functions / areas of the phones they have no business in touching.

Why not simply allow the user at the time of installation what the app can actually access and what not?!

That is most likely coming with Windows 10, why?

Link?

Also Blackberry used an older version of Android for emulation (it is now better than before but the damage has been done - just like the silliness with the blackberry playbook) and like with anything emulated you are going to need a lot of resources for a smooth experience.

For games not an option, that's true. For "normal" apps things are different.

A flagship is coming which has been reiterated time & time again.

No official statement or announcement while the 1520 disappeared in stores for months and the fanboys craving for a new flagship.

Your ignorance here sadly speaks volumes, the delays are down to carrier testing & approval.

Your's too. Many carriers pushed out Updates to their phones even before the CV's got it. I experienced with my 1520 Denim.

Windows 10 for Phones is not delayed, it is called a staggered release as a) it keeps them in the news cycle thereby attracting mind share b) reduces workload, they aren't machines but people like everyone else.

They claim a unique user experience with Windows 10. That simply starts by the availabilty on all devices at the same time. That won't come true anyways since Windows RT won't get Windows 10. They focus on desktop, leaving the mobile-devices-playground behind.

They (Microsoft) have said that Windows will always be updated and to think of it as Windows as Service (not a subscription service). Never the less no software is final until it has been completely EOLed.

An update is intended to fix bugs but not add new functions in general etc. Well, nice way to cover it in candy that you don't get your things done on time.

The 1520 was launched prior to the Nokia D & S division acquisition as such Microsoft can not do much about it. Then the re-org came and that would have put quite a lot of stuff on the back burner.

You realize you find an excuse for ANYTHING MS does? Do you work for them? lol

The touch screen issue on the 535 was down to reduction of cost for production.

Any evidence?

In order to hit low price points with a high spec, lower quality parts had to be used.

Not neccessarily. Any proof for that theory? Well then for the 1520 must have been used the same cheap parts lol. Actually it has turned out that the reason for this behavior on the 1520 is board flexing, EMI and improper grounding. That also explains why replacing the display unit is not always a cure.

The Arm version of Windows is not dead either, just the Surface 2, Surface 1, Lumia 2520 along with others won't be progressing.

No matter what you call it, they abandon it.

As callous as it sounds - it is easier to have an unified install base as opposed to supporting legacy especially at a time when coding hours are extremely priceless.

Explain to those people who spent much on these devices or being early adopters. Just because you not have one of these devices you don't care. Pretty ignorant.

Even if Windows 10 for Phones is a total visual and usability train wreck I don't see myself going back to Android anytime soon. Sticking with 8.1 seems like a better option.

= Fanboy

Ya me too am super happy with windows phone 8.1 I will use my browser to get information as opposed to apps.

Good for you, nobody force you to update. Obviously you not doing much if you only need a browser on your phone and no Apps.

[David_da_Silva]

Are you the Snapchat CEO? Cause you kinda are looking like it!

[Iain_S]

all your answers to that persons remarks are just complete bull****, sorry if that offends you but clearly you have no idea in general what you are talking about, regardless if its about wp or not.

[TechFreak1]

Me too, with features / functions missing.

Check out the WINHEC Shenzen documentation on channel9.msdn.com & the other reputable sources like Mary Jo Foley's blog for instance.

That is all I will say on that.

Yeah, as usual developers fault, scnr ;) Well actually I refer to the way apps being treated by theOS, not the resuming. Doesn't matter which app as it is limitation by system but if you wanna have names: zoiper.

I see, well time will tell how the Rich Comunication Suite will evolve as at the Jan 21st event where they said they are working on building in support (into the messaging hub) so that IP based messaging systems can integrate.

Yeah...damn developers

Not all devs are the same.

Signal strength, traffic / data used, distinguish between H and H+ (all for cellular). I could go on forever...

Signal strength and for connection types would need a refresh rate of per second (most likely less). Live Tiles can currently refresh per minute (the lowest interval I'm aware of), I imagine it comes down to battery life and security as a poorly coded app would wreak havoc.

In terms off monitoring data traffic for Cellular or Wi Fi there is data sense and if your carrier has removed that functionality then blame your carrier.

Allowing third party apps to monitor your traffic does takes this into a grey area.

With everything out there are pros & cons therefore additions to for phones must be evaluated on stringent basis as they have become such an integral part of people's daily routine. If a feature or function doesn't negatively impact useability, performance & security then it either gets implemented as a feature / function or goes under further re-iteration + testing. However if a feature or function negatively impacts said factors - it doesn't make it off the drawing board / thrown down the garbage chute.

You need to understand, an operating system is never designed by a committee but influenced by said committee.

Why not simply allow the user at the time of installation what the app can actually access and what not?!

Extended permissions are coming with Windows 10 as they are in WP 8.1 update 2, however a user has somewhat a choice as all apps have to display what they will be accessing when installed. These are detailed under "Notes" in the "details pivot" in the store app, the issue here is that some devs don't tick off the irrelevant permissions not needed by their app.

Link?

There isn't a link, it is just logical as the over haul to Windows 10 is really to appease their enterprise customers and the consumers who did not take to Windows 8.x hence why I said it is most likely coming with Windows 10

However logic & microsoft don't necessarily go hand in hand (which is both - good & bad)

For games not an option, that's true. For "normal" apps things are different.

Not really, the same principle applies if the emulation engine or the software emulating is poorly optimised... combined with poorly written code = crappy experience. In addition to this even if the emulating software is efficient it will still result in a below subpar performance as the emulated app is poorly written. So it goes both ways.

No official statement or announcement while the 1520 disappeared in stores for months and the fanboys craving for a new flagship.

Microsoft commits to a Windows 10 'flagship smartphone' for 2015 | Windows Central

Sounds like your crying as well, so what does that make you? (rhetorical question)

Your's too. Many carriers pushed out Updates to their phones even before the CV's got it. I experienced with my 1520 Denim.

So i'm the ignorant one, huh prior to the D & S division acquisition Nokia used to have an availability page which would list where in the cycle and update was. From which users would berate their carriers for the update sooo it's only natural that Microsoft being a US based entity is subject to other pressures from the carriers (which is clearly evident by the removal of Microsoft apps from Samsung's latest offerings by US Carriers). After the acquisition this page was dumbed down and only shows if an update is available or not, no listing of where the update is in the cycle. Plus the instance where an update was pushed back to "testing" caused a furor amongst users most likely would have contributed to that dumbing down.

In regards to Country Variant's getting updates last, well certain country variants got it first, some last for Cyan. However other factors are most likely involved so without knowing the complete facts it's easy to speculate.

So it is no means as clear cut as being just Microsoft's fault as you have so clearly indicated in your rant.

They claim a unique user experience with Windows 10. That simply starts by the availabilty on all devices at the same time. That won't come true anyways since Windows RT won't get Windows 10. They focus on desktop, leaving the mobile-devices-playground behind.

Continuum for phones, says otherwise along with the changes listed in the WINHEC documentation. Here is a tidbit since your clearly lazy to look things up .

Windows 10 for phone supports USB Mass Storage, peripherals and hubs | Windows Central

RT for the thousandth time is not dead, the Windows RunTime is evolving. The arm based sku's for tablets has not been abandoned either; tablets less than 7inches will run Windows 10 for phones (with some exceptions). I can understand the misconception if Microsoft had simply called the Surface RT as just "Surface", this common misconception wouldn't exist.

Here's a clue:

Office for Windows 10 free on phones and small tablets, Office 2016 on the way | Windows Central

In an ideal world, everyone would get the update on their phones at the same time.

But this not the Matrix where one can just magically conjure up a dream and manipulate it at their will.

This is reality, where limitations and last minute road blocks exist.

An update is intended to fix bugs but not add new functions in general etc. Well, nice way to cover it in candy that you don't get your things done on time.

Shows how much you understand software development and I'm the ignorant one... eash.

You realize you find an excuse for ANYTHING MS does? Do you work for them? lol

Says the one who says updates in general are just for bug fixes and then assumes i'm finding excuses...

Well I wish I worked for Microsoft just to play...err work in the "fancy play ground" (that you keep referring to) with Hololens along with the crazy geniuses at MSR .

Any evidence?

No evidence, it's just pure business - just like how it costs Apple less than $85 for the hardware for the Apple Watch and that is apparently for their "low end model".

Not neccessarily. Any proof for that theory? Well then for the 1520 must have been used the same cheap parts lol. Actually it has turned out that the reason for this behavior on the 1520 is board flexing, EMI and improper grounding. That also explains why replacing the display unit is not always a cure.

See above and in regards to the 1520 perhaps but that is hard to tell as many I know don't have that problem however some do. If it was as you stated than all 1520s will have a similar problem and would have been plastered all over the tech press. So source?

Apparently its how the housing is structured, just like not all screens are created equal (in terms of gorilla glass).

No matter what you call it, they abandon it.

Yes, they most likely did and I'm not sugar coating it.

Just because they will not be progressing it doesn't mean they will just cease to work over night.

Explain to those people who spent much on these devices or being early adopters. Just because you not have one of these devices you don't care. Pretty ignorant.

There is a trade in program for Surface 1 & Surface 2 (that is sadly US only right now) which expires on the 31st of May

Surface RT and Surface 2 owners in the US can get up to $150 off the Surface 3 with trade-in offer | Windows Central.

Also actually I bought several of these as gifts when they were reduced and to assume I don't care hah...

After going through all your points... it is apparent that your are either clearly emotional or just....full of sand...

[aveese]

Me too!!! I am now using Galaxy A5 as my primary phone.
My 1520's now my backup phone

[Cristian Constantin]

Have a break. Have a Kit Kat. :))

[stenson625]

Windows phone is a nightmare of an OS compared to android and IOS, even to the newest Blackberry OS: Period!
You can defend this or that, but the truth is that it will forever keep having lowest market share, if it doesn't update its catch up game earlier than now that people still care about WP 10.
After WP 10 must have ignored all widely requested features in other OS's with bountiful excuses, then users and developers will find many excuses to keep to what always works, Android, IOS and Co.

[Qtweeder]

oh my, there is always one massively long multi-quoter isn't there, addressing each and every counter point - get a room

[stenson625]

Microsoft is still planning and re-planning, while Android and IOS are busy implementing new ideas that matter to users and developers. Let the hawks feed on the chicks! They are already owning the city!

[anon(5383410)]

The issue with not being able to use voip without the app in the foreground was resolved (at least on my phone) months ago. There was a time where I could only get Viber calls if I already had the app open. No longer the case. I'm willing to bet OP knows this but wanted to add some extra umph to his rant.

[Charles Brown8]

I enjoy threads like this... Amusing... I'll keep my Icon. I'm enjoying it while my cousin with his Motorola Droid is throwing his phone against the windshield in frustration... Comical. Looking forwards to win 10 and what matters to me is it keeps the stability of WP 8.1.. All the extra features will be icing on the cake far as I'm concerned... Everyone have a great day 😁

[Sedp23]

When is the next preview coming they Said the end of April and I haven't seen anything

[Charles Brown8]

When is the next preview coming they Said the end of April and I haven't seen anything

Ask Microsoft lol..

[Sedp23]

Ask Microsoft lol..

I guess that means coming soon ™

[hotphil]

When is the next preview coming they Said the end of April and I haven't seen anything

There was an article in the News section here the other day. As with most things Microsoft, they were aiming/trying/hoping for end April. And missed. No definite dates were given.

[Pierre Blackwell]

What I see is a consumer who is getting a little impatient about the windows 10 build but is going to try it once it comes out. That is the only reason why someone would exhaust the time and energy to present such a dissertation. I will admit that is was pretty detailed, however you never mentioned continuum which I think is a revolutionary feature that no other mobile OS offers. With your first phone being a 1520 you are still a neophyte when it comes to the Windows mobile revolution.

[Charles Brown8]

I guess that means coming soon ™

Right on hehe.. Its coming. If its coming like for the Icon it will be later than sooner lmao

[Sam_93]

while windows mobile os 8.1 is good . some things are really irritating.

[Motor_Mouth]

This platform seems abandoned already. Why does this remind me of WP 7?

Really? Because I am far more excited about the way Windows 10 Mobile is going than I am about what's happening with the PC version.

Overall I am pretty disappointed with development regarding mobile platforms like smartphone and tablet. It appears much more like a playground for MS to try out some new concepts than a solid platform for daily use especially in comparison with its competitors.

I don't know how you can come to this conclusion. WinPhone 8 seems to me to be far and away the most stable phone OS. I can't recall it EVER crashing. I had a few crashes with WP7 on my Lumia 800 but I really can't recall any at all since. Even the times when apps have stopped responding and I've had to restart are so few and far between as to be insignificant. My Lumia 925 can run for 6 months or more with ever being restarted.

For desktop things are different and also with Windows 10 I feel being on the right track and for sure will upgrade to Windows 10, no doubt.

I'm the opposite. I think W10 brings absolutely nothing of value to the desktop. There are a couple of very minor new features that look like improvements but most of it has the feel of shuffling deckchairs on the Titanic. Unless they can pull out some big improvement in the next few weeks, I will be staying away until I am absolutely forced to upgrade. Meanwhile, I am already running W10 Mobile on my daily driver and quite enjoying it. No, it is not very stable right now and I am not convinced of some of the design but I feel it is definitely heading in the right direction.

[chmun77]

Can someone do a one-line summary for me?

"Windows Phone sucks"

There you go. No need to thank me.

[anon(5327127)]

...as a revolution for mobile devices at least for me.

Being owner of a Lumia 1520

Blah, blah and blah. I also own a Lumia 1520, along with a 1020 on camera duty, so know what they can both do. I'm pretty happy with both as they don't crash, are easy to use, plus I don't have to constantly update x or y times as everything seems to work.

[heickelrrx]

Somehow i doubt he have windows phone.

Have you ever use LINE? When someone calling via LINE the notification call appear just like land call

Lumia 625H

[chmun77]

Somehow i doubt he have windows phone.

Have you ever use LINE? When someone calling via LINE the notification call appear just like land call

Lumia 625H

Speaking of LINE, the Android version is far more polished that Windows Phone version. Just saying.....