12-04-2008 09:49 AM
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  1. questionfear's Avatar
    I am trying to determine a good OTA sync system for my epix. I sync with outlook at my office and my mac at home. It is a personal device so I don't have any office sponsored exchange access.

    I've looked into mail2web (free and premium) as well as goosync. Am I missing any others or those my two best options? I am pretty tied in with gmail, my only concern is that the to-dos might not transfer well to gcal...do they sync via rememberthemilk?

    Basically I need to do an end run around ical, I hate it, and I don't have an updated Entourage. Rather than blow the money on an entourage update I thought I'd look into fancier OTA options. Any suggestions?
    11-22-2008 09:33 PM
  2. George Ponder's Avatar
    I'de be interested in the same. I'm looking for something that will sync OTA with my calender, contacts and tasks.

    I'll take a gander at mail2web as well as goosync. I use Dashwire and would gladly trade syncing call history and photos for calender and tasks.
    Last edited by George Ponder; 11-22-2008 at 10:29 PM.
    11-22-2008 10:18 PM
  3. questionfear's Avatar
    My only concern with goosync is the extra layer, since my data is flowing through someone else. On the other hand, nothing I do is that interesting.

    I think I'm going to try mail2web first, since I can try the free membership and see if I like it, then maybe try free goosync to try that...whichever system I like better I can upgrade to a full version.
    11-23-2008 10:50 AM
  4. George Ponder's Avatar
    what about windows live? Or does that create a second set of contacts, appointments, and tasks?

    Nevermind... it looks as if it will only sync contacts through hotmail. Either that or I haven't found where it addresses appointments and tasks.
    Last edited by George Ponder; 11-23-2008 at 11:40 AM.
    11-23-2008 11:33 AM
  5. bubbatex's Avatar
    I used mail2web and it worked pretty well, but then I started my own company and we have a host service for the site and Exchange with our own domain name. If you are using your own domain, there are a TON of good choices. However, one of the other companies that usually comes up in this conversation is 4smartphone which is a competitive product to m2w.
    11-24-2008 02:30 PM
  6. riChchestMat#WP's Avatar
    I'm fairly set on using Google as I can easily mash that into my Outlook calendar at work to have my private and work calendar side-by-side.
    I'm set on OTA sync because my work no longer supports ActiveSync.

    So I've already tried SyncMyCal Mobile Pro but just it refunded as it was crashing my Treo 750, not syncing and generally being very flaky.

    I'm just trying OGGSync Mobile Lite now and it seems to work but the sync takes A G E S. Plus they want $30 every year for the Pro version that syncs multiple calendars and contacts.

    I'm looking at trying GooSync next but they will also want 20 or so per year.

    I suppose I could sync my contacts with Windows Live/Kumo but the Hotmail part has really got my goat lately with its redesigned interface that doesn't work on Chrome and a failure ot send Japanese emails via Pocket Outlook.

    Any suggestions or experiences you can share?
    11-24-2008 03:09 PM
  7. questionfear's Avatar
    Ok, so here was my experience so far, and I know some of this comes from being a total newbie at exchange and activesync.

    -I set up a mail2web free account. Followed the download instructions, installed the file to configure my device, I get an error message.
    -Digging through the knowledgebase on mail2web yields the manual settings.
    -I set everything up and go to check off that I want to sync calendars. No go. Apparently because I was syncing calendar and tasks to my work pc, i can't sync to the exchange server without turning off the work pc sync. Ok fine, I try the sync first with just contacts.
    -Sync works except for about a dozen names. I decide I'll go back to that, and start with getting calendar up and running.
    -Apparently, deselecting calendar from my work pc will wipe out all calendar entries made via work pc activesync.
    -I decide all this is too much trouble and delete the mail2web exchange setup.
    -I sync with my mac and find out that by deleting mail2web I wiped out my entire contact list except for the dozen who didn't sync.
    -Luckily, missing sync flagged the change and gave me the chance to cancel the sync, and I was able to have my mac data override the phone and replace my contacts.
    -I downloaded the free goosync version, and it went off without a hitch. Initiated two syncs, one to get data onto gcal, and one to test adding an event from gcal to my device. Perfect both times.

    So far it looks like I am going goosync. I'll play with the free version for a while, and then probably upgrade to the paid one just for the extra calendar syncing and auto syncs.
    11-25-2008 09:57 PM
  8. riChchestMat#WP's Avatar
    I'm having good experiences so far with GooSync's free version. I like the fact that it shows you some kind of progress bar and switches to a faster sync after the first job. I love the fact that you can override that setting.

    However I read somewhere (which could be out of date) that it doesn't work that well when switching timezones. I'm not able to test this until March personally.

    The proof will be in the paid-for version pudding with multiple-calendar syncs (important!) and contact syncing.
    11-26-2008 01:46 AM
  9. George Ponder's Avatar
    For what it's worth, we are working on a few reviews of OTA solutions. Goosync will be one of the solutions looked at as well as a few others.
    11-26-2008 07:24 AM
  10. questionfear's Avatar
    For what it's worth, we are working on a few reviews of OTA solutions. Goosync will be one of the solutions looked at as well as a few others.
    Oooh...definitely looking forward to those articles! Exciting!
    11-26-2008 08:42 AM
  11. kraski's Avatar
    For what it's worth, we are working on a few reviews of OTA solutions. Goosync will be one of the solutions looked at as well as a few others.
    Dashwire's a good one to look at, too.
    11-27-2008 12:22 AM
  12. George Ponder's Avatar

    Take a look at this. We've got a few articles on Dashwire that should help.

    I use Dashwire and my only issue is that it doesn't sync your calendar. I'd trade call history or voicemail for a calendar option any day.
    11-27-2008 08:30 AM
  13. kraski's Avatar

    Take a look at this. We've got a few articles on Dashwire that should help.

    I use Dashwire and my only issue is that it doesn't sync your calendar. I'd trade call history or voicemail for a calendar option any day.
    I agree with you about the calendar synch. Right now, I don't have anything but several recurring events, for the most part. So, I can pretty well reproduce my calendar manually in a brief time. But I know there are those with a lot of schedule variation & my life isn't always that predictable, either. :)
    11-28-2008 12:19 AM
  14. riChchestMat#WP's Avatar
    I'm going to buy GooSync (at least give their 30 day money back satisfaction guarantee a run) but they are charging VAT (sales tax) on top of the quoted prices. Currently that's showing as 17.5% and it should go down to 15% by Monday if they haven't hardcoded it in.
    Featurewise they seem to have the best AutoSync in that you can set when you want it to happen based on time of the day and remaining battery power.
    11-29-2008 02:45 AM
  15. riChchestMat#WP's Avatar
    https://www.nuevasync.com looks interesting. It's an ActiveSync compatible OTA proxy for Google Calendar and Contacts. It's in beta now but when it adds support for read-only calendars and Gmail (both in their plans) then this could be excellent. No software required!
    I'm not sure I can wait before splashing out on GooSync though.
    12-01-2008 06:51 AM
  16. questionfear's Avatar
    Nuevasync looks good, but I agree that I'd rather wait for them to support gmail (and a way to support task synching!)

    My only concern with Nuevasync is that I'll hit the same weird issues I hit with mail2web, mainly that anything added via activesync on my work PC would get wiped out. Is there a way around this when setting up an exchange server?
    12-01-2008 10:30 AM
  17. riChchestMat#WP's Avatar
    Well I'm trying it now. Unsuprisngly the first sync has created loads of duplicates and it's taking an age. All expected and I have a backup to fall back on. Software-less sync with OTA push for calendar, contacts, tasks and email is the holy grail though and so far these guys are the closest. I just wish they could get some funding to get these coming soon features to come sooner even if they charged the users a reasonable fee.
    They've got the Apple users with this too so some cross-platform action gives these people the strongest chance of suceeding. They have to deliver on those features though.
    If I do go for Goo-Sync I certainly won't go for more than a year's subscription.

    EDIT: Oh balls the contact sync is eating my contact's photos. Sod that for now.
    Last edited by riChchestMat; 12-01-2008 at 12:23 PM. Reason: Update:
    12-01-2008 11:55 AM
  18. questionfear's Avatar
    Ouch. So Nuevasync duped a bunch of stuff AND ate your contact photos? Not cool...
    12-01-2008 01:11 PM
  19. riChchestMat#WP's Avatar
    It did eat my Contacts photos but I don't blame it for duplicates. The sync wasn't able to complete cos I ran out of storage. That was cos of the duplicates I think but I have to be fair and recognise that ActiveSync is to blame for that. It does the same thing when syncing via USB to Outlook.

    So far GooSync Premium is behaving very well although I noticed that it's essentially SyncML rebranded. After my PIM data was obliterated by NuevaSync and Sprite Backup failing to restore properly (sigh) GooSync got me back all my calendar and contacts. For some reason the paid version seems faster than the free one.
    12-01-2008 03:51 PM
  20. questionfear's Avatar
    With GooSync premium, how does the automatic sync work? It's not clear to me from the website, does it push or sync at a set time? Also, are you syncing to-dos via goosync or do you have a calendar line for remember the milk?

    I am holding off until WMExperts does their OTA articles, but right now GooSync is my most likely option.
    12-01-2008 03:56 PM
  21. George Ponder's Avatar
    Has Goosync scrambled your contacts and duplicated appointments yet? If not, what sync option are you using?
    12-01-2008 06:26 PM
  22. riChchestMat#WP's Avatar
    The automatic sync doesn't have push yet. The option is in the SyncML software but GooSync's website say not to turn it on. It's unclear if the application window needs to remain open (minimised) for this to work or if it runs as a service.
    SyncMyCal needed to run and it kept getting closed by WM so the auto-sync was pretty useless.
    GooSyn will sync tasks but so far I don't have any setup. I've not used Remember The Milk.

    There's been no scrambling so far but I started with an empty PIM on my Treo after Sprite messed it all to hell and back. So I started with a Reload Device option. Sync'd in my main calendar and a couple of read-only calendars plus my contacts. All okay so far but it's not been 24 hours yet!

    Yup as feared the autosync only works when the app is running minimised
    Last edited by riChchestMat; 12-02-2008 at 07:50 AM. Reason: status update
    12-02-2008 02:10 AM
  23. questionfear's Avatar
    So goosync has to be running in the background to sync...and the tasks don't really sync well...


    I might bite the bullet and trial one of the exchange setups. It occured to me that since goosync doesn't seem to affect activesync, i can goosync my calendar and get everything back that gets wiped when i delete my work pc from activesync. Same with tasks, except I can get them back from Missing Sync. Plus I can always do an SPB backup of just my PIM and restore from that if I have to as well.

    Maybe when I have some free time (ha!) I will tackle trying this and report back on my success via someone like 4smartphone. Of course, as soon as I get that up and running no doubt google will come up with a native sync or something. ;)
    12-02-2008 10:35 AM
  24. riChchestMat#WP's Avatar
    Why do you think tasks don't sync well? I haven't tried that myself.

    This is probably worth another thread but I want to get googlemail to push (google supports it but pocket outlook doesn't). I'm not keen on versamail and seven is a bit clunky for my liking (also doesn't push fast enough) so I'm working my way down a list. I've just tried mobipush which is an ActiveSync type pusher but it doesn't support HTML or non english text.
    Last edited by riChchestMat; 12-02-2008 at 01:49 PM. Reason: sellpnig
    12-02-2008 12:20 PM
  25. George Ponder's Avatar
    Goosync only has to be running in the background if you choose the Autosync option. I've reached out to Goosync on the shuffling of contact data and hope to have my review done by the end of the week.

    I'm hoping I had the wrong sync option chosen to create the mixed up contacts and duplicate appointment entries. The duplicate appointments are easy to fix but trying to find out the messed up contacts can be challenging.

    I'm thankful I had them backed up before this happened.
    12-02-2008 12:22 PM
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