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  1. Matt#WP's Avatar
    My contract expired a couple of days ago, and I'm looking to get a WP7 phone.

    My question to you guys is this: Should I wait until this summer to buy a phone once they launch the new handsets? Or should I just go ahead and grab a Focus, Surround, or Quantum? I'm on AT&T as you can see.
    12-29-2010 08:51 PM
  2. NickA's Avatar
    What kind of phone are you coming from? It sounds like you are more concerned with the phone rather than the OS. But if you like the current offerings, I'd say go for it now. If you wait until Summer, then you have to ask yourself if you should wait until late Fall for the new phones that come out before Christmas.
    12-29-2010 09:36 PM
  3. ninjaap's Avatar
    Well CES is right around the corner. You could wait and see if AT&T announcing any new phones.
    12-29-2010 09:39 PM
  4. Matt#WP's Avatar
    Coming from a terrible Samsung Impression.

    It seems like there is no clear choice right now in the WP7 market in my eyes at least, so I figured I might as well wait til Summer or whenever the new handsets will come out.
    12-29-2010 09:51 PM
  5. L3vi's Avatar
    If you can wait, then wait. If you need a new phone then get it. At this moment the best WP7 phone right now is the Focus, so if you were to get a WP7 phone right now, I would get it. SAMOLED 4" screen, expandable memory, good camera.
    12-29-2010 10:13 PM
  6. NickA's Avatar
    I'm biased to the HTC HD7 since I have one. I have a Samsung Fascinate (Galaxy S) and still waiting for the promised update. Samsung is the worst for support IMO.
    12-29-2010 11:03 PM
  7. Matt#WP's Avatar
    That's what deters me from Samsung. I constantly hear about people saying they have for customer service or support, and they seem to ignore issues that handset owners experience and act like they aren't Samsung's fault.

    I had an LG Shine a few years back and it was great, so I slightly lean toward the LQ Quantum, but the extra thickness is not something I want. So many things to consider.
    12-30-2010 02:27 AM
  8. selfcreation's Avatar
    I'm biased to the HTC HD7 since I have one. I have a Samsung Fascinate (Galaxy S) and still waiting for the promised update. Samsung is the worst for support IMO.
    First of all , Androids phone are updated by the manifacture , NOT the company . so the lack of update on your Galaxi S is not samsungs fault!!!!

    Also SAmsung is leading the market right now in Wp7!! ( like show in the reviews on the main page of this site ) beating out ALL htc phones combine

    My g-f has a LG quantum ive played with the surround and and hurd alot fromt he Hd7 so far every 1 has been pointing to the focus being the fastes phone ( now i dunno if its true or not but w/e )

    Honestly , considering this is liek Lg`s first DATA PHONE!! id stick away from it
    and if ur not sure but like the keybored .

    Id wait till next year for the HTC Pro , suppose to have a keybored and be a little faster.

    PS: LG shine doesnt evan compare to wp7 OS , like going from a Camodor 64 to a windows 7! lol
    12-30-2010 01:08 PM
  9. IamNabil's Avatar
    First of all , Androids phone are updated by the manifacture , NOT the company . so the lack of update on your Galaxi S is not samsungs fault!!!!
    Samsung is the manufacturer. Google leaves it to the manufacturer and the carrier to figure out updates. It is very much Samsung's fault.

    That said, from what I understand, Microsoft will be pushing the updates for WP7, so Samsung's inability to get updates out should be a non-issue.
    12-30-2010 01:30 PM
  10. selfcreation's Avatar
    [QUOTE=iamnabil;1535905]Samsung is the manufacturer. Google leaves it to the manufacturer and the carrier to figure out updates. It is very much Samsung's fault.

    Well if its samsungs fault , its also HTC fault , Motorolas fault ect... , Almost no android phone can go past 1 or 2 updates befor they will never get an other one .

    end of the line : ANDROID sucks! its the most broken down OS outt here with like 5 diffrent Android OS on the market. hence the 3 app stores ( if you where a devoloper youd know what iw as talking about )

    every time client come see me for a android i tell them no HAHAHA , i dont want you to come back in 1 month to ***** about the crapyness it offers. lol

    Ether way : WP7 FTW!!
    12-30-2010 02:24 PM
  11. spitothec's Avatar
    end of the line : ANDROID sucks! its the most broken down OS outt here with like 5 diffrent Android OS on the market. hence the 3 app stores ( if you where a devoloper youd know what iw as talking about )

    every time client come see me for a android i tell them no HAHAHA , i dont want you to come back in 1 month to ***** about the crapyness it offers. lol

    Ether way : WP7 FTW!!
    hey bro um.. it's people with this point of view that give the people that truly enjoy being phone dorks a bad name. so congrats, you've got the fanboi attitude that everyone hates.

    also, if you work in a cell phone store (which i think i gathered you do, the crapyness of yer grammar is astounding) you're the salesman that real phone junkies love to pick on.. so keep on keepin' on and do what makes you happy but just know that yer gonna get a lot of crapyness whenever you put this POV out there.

    <3
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    12-30-2010 03:21 PM
  12. NickA's Avatar
    every time client come see me for a android i tell them no HAHAHA , i dont want you to come back in 1 month to ***** about the crapyness it offers. lol
    That's just an uninformed comment. Not sure what you do for a living, but if you are selling phones at least get all the info you can so customers can make an intelligent decision.

    Samsung (and other makers) release their code to the carriers. It's then up to the carriers to test/approve it for the phones. Samsung has been late in getting the latest version of Android ready for their phones. Motorola has not, and their phones have been updated for months. Same for HTC.

    There are not 5 different 5 Android OS's on the market. I think you are getting confused because each phone manufacture puts their own flavor of the UI on the phone. The predominate OS's are 2.1 and 2.2. But you are making a good point (whether you knew it or not): too many phones and too may different UI's = fragmentation. It will be the downfall of Android.

    I like how Apple and WP7 control the updates, and what goes on their phones. I picked up a HD7 so I can start developing for this platform. I've been doing web dev for years, iPhone, Android and now WP7. I'm excited for Microsoft and hope this OS takes off.
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    12-30-2010 03:27 PM
  13. selfcreation's Avatar
    thats all i was saying that the diffrent OS vershions for the same makes it REALLY annoying !! and android is essentially the only OS that does it HENCE why i think it sucks ,

    sorry if i state facs pisses you off! *talking to MGarcia**
    and about my spelling , OK , thats you deffence to me ******* you off?? did i insolt your Fav Android os???

    and for the record there more then 2 version for android right now , some of them are still on the 1.XX vershions FOR THE RECORD!! maybe not in your country. but it mien there is.
    exmaple Motorola Blure is still on the same OS as last year! , because of the blure app stops it from updating ( thast 1 example ) and the GALXI has the same problem ( not glaxie S , the glaxie )

    Ether way i mgiht be A fan boy and im proud of it , atlease i dont attack people . i just give my point of view and facts on phones . and the only way you can get a thank you from any 1 is by bashing other members , GJ Mgarcia , your an ***. the simple fact that your sooo quick to defend other OS and cry about it just make you a Bigger fanboy . lmao ... so keep digging your hole. im sure you would fit nicely over at Android central. dont foget to trade in your wp7
    Last edited by Se1fcr3ation; 12-30-2010 at 05:19 PM.
    12-30-2010 04:57 PM
  14. IamNabil's Avatar
    It's amazing how worked up people get over things like this. Still, as much as I am no fanbiy, I agree that Android is a mess. I was so excited when the G1 came out, but the manufacturers and carriers saw "free" and went to town fragmenting the platform. It is true that most of the current lines of phones are on 2.1 or 2.2, but if you go back just one generation of phone, to early last year, well, if it isn't a Droid, odds are good it isn't on 2.1 yet. I have a friend who bought a new Dell Streak just three months ago. It had 1.6. She sent it back and got a Captivate, which she loves. It has great hardware, same as the focus I am typing this on, but she is miffed that she is still on 2.1 and 2.3 was just released.
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    12-30-2010 05:36 PM
  15. IamNabil's Avatar
    I am a network engineer by trade. I have Cisco, red hat, and Microsoft certifications. I KNOW technology, and most of the time, I want to ream every last drop of functionality out of my equipment. The only exception to that rule is my smart phone. I want my smartphone to be beautiful, elegant, and to just sort of work. That's what I love about my PPP, my iPhone 4, and this Focus. I just don't feel like Android is there yet. It doesn't feel elegant to me. It feels like Windows ME.
    12-30-2010 05:40 PM
  16. Rich Edmonds's Avatar
    I never feel comfortable recommending phones to anyone who asks me, whether it's a straight up purchase or a "should I wait?" that you're experiencing. All I can say is look around more, have an in-depth scan (if you haven't done so already) at reviews for your filtered choice of WP7 handsets. I have never had a Samsung smart phone until now (being a previous iPhone and HTC owner), and I can tell you quite comfortably now - I'm extremely pleased with my Omnia 7.

    You could regret leaving it until next year, then again you could take the leap with a WP7 handset now and regret that decision.
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    12-30-2010 06:19 PM
  17. IamNabil's Avatar
    I agree with RichEdmonds. Go to an AT&T store. Scout out two phones that you think you would be comfortable with. Buy one, use it for two weeks, and then swap it out for the other. There is no fee for it during the first 30 days. If you like the second phone more, keep it. If not, trade back for the first within that 30 days. There might be a restocking fee (I've always talked my way out of it by saying there was a problem with the technology). I do this pretty often, since I change my phone, contract, and carrier every 9 months.
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    12-30-2010 06:35 PM
  18. NickA's Avatar
    ...I just don't feel like Android is there yet. It doesn't feel elegant to me. It feels like Windows ME.
    Ouch, but a good comparison. I hear what you are saying, and it's pretty much true. I've owned 3 Android phones now, each from a different manufacture. Each phone is a different experience, and each with it's own issues. I'd like Android to succeed, but the carriers and phone makers are going to kill the OS with what they do with it. The Android OS itself is a stable product, it's when Motorola (Moto Blur) and Samsung (TouchWiz) start to add their own layers.
    12-30-2010 06:53 PM
  19. IamNabil's Avatar
    Android is linux, which is to say, stable. The problem is that Google doesn't create drivers for the hardware, the manufacturers do, and I have found that often times, they just don't feel stable to me. The real Google phones, the Nexus line, has drivers coded by the folks at the G, so they are rock solid. That trickles down to the next set of phones that use the same hardware.
    12-30-2010 07:02 PM
  20. NickA's Avatar
    That's what irritates me about Samsung though. My Fascinate is on 2.1, the Nexus S was just released with Gingerbread, 2.3. It's a pure Google phone but the same exact specs as my Fascinate. So combine the crap Samsung adds to my phone, plus all the Verizon bloatware and their apps, and you end up with a buggy phone.

    I think Google needs to swallow some open source pride and pull in the reins on their Android OS when it comes to carrier customizations.

    So I'm pretty happy my HD7 will probably get an update in the next few weeks, instead of waiting for months like I have been on my Fascinate.
    12-30-2010 08:57 PM
  21. karelj's Avatar
    thats all i was saying that the diffrent OS vershions for the same makes it REALLY annoying !! and android is essentially the only OS that does it HENCE why i think it sucks ,

    sorry if i state facs pisses you off! *talking to MGarcia**
    and about my spelling , OK , thats you deffence to me ******* you off?? did i insolt your Fav Android os???

    and for the record there more then 2 version for android right now , some of them are still on the 1.XX vershions FOR THE RECORD!! maybe not in your country. but it mien there is.
    exmaple Motorola Blure is still on the same OS as last year! , because of the blure app stops it from updating ( thast 1 example ) and the GALXI has the same problem ( not glaxie S , the glaxie )

    Ether way i mgiht be A fan boy and im proud of it , atlease i dont attack people . i just give my point of view and facts on phones . and the only way you can get a thank you from any 1 is by bashing other members , GJ Mgarcia , your an ***. the simple fact that your sooo quick to defend other OS and cry about it just make you a Bigger fanboy . lmao ... so keep digging your hole. im sure you would fit nicely over at Android central. dont foget to trade in your wp7

    Dude, really??? This is an awesome forum/community we have going here and this childish attitude and manner of posting that you display is really not welcomed here. No one attacked you, no one bashed you... you're the one calling people names here.
    And as for you giving 'facts', you are sadly mistaken. What you are doing is ignorant posturing and rehashing of old, incorrect statements then throwing a hissy fit when someone calls you on it. Perhaps you should head over to 4chan, that seems to be more your speed.

    Honestly, if you continue like this, you will find yourself ignored real quick. A lot of good people built this forum up with the quality of their posts and there is no way that folks here are going to let the likes of you drag this place down into the gutter.
    Get with the program or find another place.
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    12-31-2010 12:30 AM
  22. Neofire's Avatar
    I hear everyone but umm lets stick to topic now......... Yo Matt go with the focus you cant go wrong bro.
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    12-31-2010 01:27 AM
  23. Rich Edmonds's Avatar
    Android is linux, which is to say, stable. The problem is that Google doesn't create drivers for the hardware, the manufacturers do, and I have found that often times, they just don't feel stable to me. The real Google phones, the Nexus line, has drivers coded by the folks at the G, so they are rock solid. That trickles down to the next set of phones that use the same hardware.
    Couldn't agree more with what you have said about Android. Just came from HTC Hero and Wildfire, although HTC have done an excellent job with the Sense UI, it just feels wrong to use in a weird way. It's not as polished as WP7 or iOS, I remember avoiding the Marketplace before it was revamped due to it being horrible to navigate. Other than that, instability (as you say), slowness and the general irritation wrecks the experience for any heavy user. Having 1,000 texts stored in one threaded conversation for example, slowed the HTC Hero to snail speed, deleting the conversation and all 1,000 texts required me to plug it into a nuclear power station.

    I'm still counting down the days for me to own an openBSD smart phone.
    12-31-2010 07:40 AM
  24. Spyral's Avatar
    WP7 is impressive, but it has a long way to go in terms of growth and maturity. The lack of things like copy-paste, multitasking, and backup/restore out of the gate show that MS is focusing on aspects of the platform that may not be in the users' best interest. Mileage for each user may vary of course, as I've found the migration from webOS to WP7 and it's lack of the above features to be extremely difficult. For others, these features may be inconsequential. It's easy to say that WP7 gets more things right than wrong.

    I'm a patient man. I waited 19 months for Palm to turn webOS into a killer platform, and it never happened. Now I'm here. I'm convinced Microsoft has the means to keep Windows at the top of the smartphone pile, but I just need to be convinced they have updates in the pipeline that will address my issues.

    On the topic of hardware itself, I own a Focus. I like it, but no phone is perfect.
    12-31-2010 09:23 AM
  25. ninjaap's Avatar
    Proud HTC owner here! The Surround is awesome, because I can easily pop the collar on it's speakers and kickstand, then set it down in any street corner on the Las Vegas strip, and start break dancing for money, so I can pay for my monthly data plan, so I can download songs, so I can keep break dancing on the streets of Vegas. It won't make you rich, but it can get you chicks, or dudes, whichever's clever for you. I haven't actually got chicks yet, but I was told it would. Plus, the HTC Surround pays for itself in 2 years.

    Screw waiting. There will be a new phone every 3-6 months and you will always find one that will be better than the current offerings. I say, the sooner you get a phone, the sooner you can upgrade to the latest and greatest!
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    12-31-2010 10:50 AM
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