02-28-2011 03:35 PM
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  1. onlywaytomo's Avatar
    02-09-2011 10:47 PM
  2. bmw3wags's Avatar
    sad i was really hoping to have a vzw by the end of the month
    02-09-2011 10:51 PM
  3. onlywaytomo's Avatar
    and this is a small update, god knows how long its going to take them to get a major update. Hopefully early adopters hardware isnt oudated by then
    02-09-2011 10:53 PM
  4. bmw3wags's Avatar
    Probably will be Its also sad that they haven announce any new Hardware since Launch
    02-09-2011 10:56 PM
  5. spitothec's Avatar
    This is me being shocked that Microsoft is acting like Microsoft.
    02-09-2011 11:00 PM
  6. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    What a shame. I was really wanting devs to get access so thy can start cramming out more app.

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    02-09-2011 11:14 PM
  7. spitothec's Avatar
    devs got the update last week..
    02-10-2011 01:47 AM
  8. JRDroid's Avatar
    5 months between the initial availability of the OS and its first update really isn't that bad. Thats how long it was between Android 1.0 and Android 1.1 for example. I bet it gets announced at MWC and there will be new hardware launches on the 8th to coincide with the release of the new update.
    02-10-2011 01:54 AM
  9. spitothec's Avatar
    5 months between the initial availability of the OS and its first update really isn't that bad. Thats how long it was between Android 1.0 and Android 1.1 for example. I bet it gets announced at MWC and there will be new hardware launches on the 8th to coincide with the release of the new update.
    The NoDo update was promised to be on our phones by January multiple times, dating all the way back to October.. so yes, two months late and a laundry list of broken promises just to get a fairly minor update is a pretty damn huge deal, and a slap in our faces.
    tre-nitty likes this.
    02-10-2011 04:49 AM
  10. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    Do you know what level of access they have now. They were wanting access to sockets and some APIs that were previously unavailable.
    devs got the update last week..


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    02-10-2011 06:00 AM
  11. jalb's Avatar
    5 months between the initial availability of the OS and its first update really isn't that bad. Thats how long it was between Android 1.0 and Android 1.1 for example. I bet it gets announced at MWC and there will be new hardware launches on the 8th to coincide with the release of the new update.
    The initial updates that iOS and Android got should not be held up as comparable to the initial update that WP7 is going to get. iOS and Android blazed a little ground - WP7 is a metoo attempt, and I haven't heard of anything yet in the first update that frankly should not have been in the initial release.
    02-10-2011 07:41 AM
  12. tre-nitty's Avatar
    I's becoming a joke and yes I feel bad for early adopters, especially those who used their upgrade on the phone. I have recently switched back to Android because of the constant delays but still read the board because there is good conversation here.
    02-10-2011 09:12 AM
  13. DontHate707's Avatar
    ms everyone is watching you dont drop the ball now i really hope ms has something under there sleeve on MWC, this update should been available weeks ago SMH
    02-10-2011 09:13 AM
  14. wheelerk's Avatar
    When did M$ say the update was coming in February? They have stuck to 1st qtr 2011. So I wuoldn't call it a push back. Relax folks. March isn't that far away.
    heterosethual likes this.
    02-10-2011 12:14 PM
  15. action_efn_jackson's Avatar
    When did M$ say the update was coming in February? They have stuck to 1st qtr 2011. So I wuoldn't call it a push back. Relax folks. March isn't that far away.
    +1. I don't recall MS ever saying a specific date either. I've never had a smart phone before and still glad I chose WP7 as my first.
    02-10-2011 12:59 PM
  16. jtn05's Avatar
    +1. I don't recall MS ever saying a specific date either. I've never had a smart before and still glad I chose WP7 as my first.
    +1. This is my first smart phone to and i dont regret it one bit.
    02-10-2011 01:47 PM
  17. Michael-Dallas's Avatar
    Copy/paste, performance optimizations, and marketplace search tweaks -- big whoop.

    I've had copy/paste in my Nokia N95-4, Nokia N97, and Nokia N900. I've used that feature only once or twice the past few years.

    I'd much rather have an update that would unlock and re-format micro-SD cards so other devices can use them, but other than that, my WP7 works great and I am GRATEFUL that Microsoft is working on improving WP7 with updates.

    Patience is a virtue, folks.

    Michael.
    02-10-2011 02:46 PM
  18. spitothec's Avatar
    When did M$ say the update was coming in February? They have stuck to 1st qtr 2011. So I wuoldn't call it a push back. Relax folks. March isn't that far away.
    Unless I'm insane (which I might be), at the launch they threw in NYC, they had "COPY AND PASTE COMING IN JANUARY" plastered across the wall behind Belfiore while he was talking about copy and paste coming in an update in January. I also believe that many WP7 engineers were quoted as saying "You'll see it in a few weeks" right after launch in November. I don't take "a few weeks" as four months.

    Patience is a virtue, folks.
    Patience and dealing with blatant lies and horrible communication are two completely seperate things. If they had said March when they told us about this update back in October, no one (or at least most people) wouldn't have an issue with it. My point is that if they're putting out a SMALL update two months late, how long is it going to take them (erm, how long overdue) to put out the LARGE updates? Six months late? A year late? This is a horrible warning sign for the future of this OS, and it breaks my heart.
    Last edited by mgarcia; 02-10-2011 at 10:49 PM.
    02-10-2011 10:42 PM
  19. Soaked's Avatar
    Copy/paste, performance optimizations, and marketplace search tweaks -- big whoop.
    Well I'm excited for it..... :(
    02-10-2011 10:47 PM
  20. Michael-Dallas's Avatar
    Patience and dealing with blatant lies and horrible communication are two completely seperate things. If they had said March when they told us about this update back in October, no one (or at least most people) wouldn't have an issue with it. My point is that if they're putting out a SMALL update two months late, how long is it going to take them (erm, how long overdue) to put out the LARGE updates? Six months late? A year late? This is a horrible warning sign for the future of this OS, and it breaks my heart.
    Perhaps the reason why I can empathize with Microsoft is because I am a software developer, myself, and I have also experienced the same behavior from Nokia. But now that the proverbial milk has been spilled, what do you propose Microsoft should do? If they "promised" an update in January, should they release an update even if it's not complete (i.e. not fully tested and passed acceptance testing) and half-baked? Should they throw more resources into the mix?

    Copy/paste, performance enhancements, and marketplace search tweaks sound like trivial improvements and features for you, but being on the other side, I know that is not always the case in implementation.

    WP7, as it is, functions perfectly fine. Did you buy a WP7 for the promise of updates, the UI/UX, or what? If you are really stressing over a software update, then perhaps it's time to select a different OS. Just remember, the grass ain't necessarily greener on the other side.

    Personally, when they just released the developer tools update, I knew that it would be AT LEAST another month before the update is released to consumers. This gives WP7 developers to update and test their apps with the new features. And if those developers encounter critical issues w/ the new developer tools, guess what...

    Michael.
    02-11-2011 06:45 PM
  21. wheelerk's Avatar
    Perhaps the reason why I can empathize with Microsoft is because I am a software developer, myself, and I have also experienced the same behavior from Nokia. But now that the proverbial milk has been spilled, what do you propose Microsoft should do? If they "promised" an update in January, should they release an update even if it's not complete (i.e. not fully tested and passed acceptance testing) and half-baked? Should they throw more resources into the mix?

    Copy/paste, performance enhancements, and marketplace search tweaks sound like trivial improvements and features for you, but being on the other side, I know that is not always the case in implementation.

    WP7, as it is, functions perfectly fine. Did you buy a WP7 for the promise of updates, the UI/UX, or what? If you are really stressing over a software update, then perhaps it's time to select a different OS. Just remember, the grass ain't necessarily greener on the other side.

    Personally, when they just released the developer tools update, I knew that it would be AT LEAST another month before the update is released to consumers. This gives WP7 developers to update and test their apps with the new features. And if those developers encounter critical issues w/ the new developer tools, guess what...

    Michael.
    Nicely said, Michael. I'm an System Engineer/Integrater and we have a team of developers that on our program. So I see first hand how one tweak in one area can produce unknown results on something else. So I have seen them weighing the risk of fixing, tweaking or adding features to their products. Folks that don't work in this environment don't really understand how the process works. I agree with you that WP7 works just fine as is. I would rather M$ take their time with the updates than rush something and cause other problems. So I'm good for now. I'm not pressed, when ever the update comes is cool with me.
    02-12-2011 07:19 PM
  22. spitothec's Avatar
    What I would "like" is for a company as large as MS to atually be able to pull through on the promises they make, and release updates on a schedule that competes with their competitors. I really don't think that's asking too much, and if MS thinks that is asking too much, I think it's them that should reconsider their place in the mobile OS market. Do I want an imcomplete update? No, which is why I want the update in the first place. They shipped an unfinished, bug-ridden OS and there is no excuse in the world for them to take 4+ months to issue their first patch. This is unacceptable, and it's not really something that can be argued. No other company or OS in the world would wait 4 months to issue a single patch for an OS that's as bugged and problematic as this one. WP7, as it is, "fuctions" adequately, but it does NOT function as promised, and they to date have made ZERO efforts to get a patch of ANY sort out in a timely manner. The fact that we have to wait for this Copy/Paste update to fix simple bugs is unexplainable. Every other company releases OS updates on nearly a monthly, if not weekly basis solely for this reason, and I don't know why MS would think that their OS would be fine with a 4-6 month update schedule. It's obviously not OK, and I can't find anywhere that they're even trying to show that they care about an update schedule or any pressed timeframe updates going forward.

    It's a sad, sad state that this OS is in currently, and they're showing no signs of trying to right their wrongs. It's a sad position we're in, it makes me sad because I truly do love this OS, and it shows a sad future for this OS. My only light at the end of the tunnel is that this Nokia deal will somehow put a fire under MS's *** to get some updates quicker, more frequently, and with something resembling a sense of urgency.
    Verizon Hopeful likes this.
    02-12-2011 09:10 PM
  23. wheelerk's Avatar
    What I would "like" is for a company as large as MS to atually be able to pull through on the promises they make, and release updates on a schedule that competes with their competitors. I really don't think that's asking too much, and if MS thinks that is asking too much, I think it's them that should reconsider their place in the mobile OS market. Do I want an imcomplete update? No, which is why I want the update in the first place. They shipped an unfinished, bug-ridden OS and there is no excuse in the world for them to take 4+ months to issue their first patch. This is unacceptable, and it's not really something that can be argued. No other company or OS in the world would wait 4 months to issue a single patch for an OS that's as bugged and problematic as this one. WP7, as it is, "fuctions" adequately, but it does NOT function as promised, and they to date have made ZERO efforts to get a patch of ANY sort out in a timely manner. The fact that we have to wait for this Copy/Paste update to fix simple bugs is unexplainable. Every other company releases OS updates on nearly a monthly, if not weekly basis solely for this reason, and I don't know why MS would think that their OS would be fine with a 4-6 month update schedule. It's obviously not OK, and I can't find anywhere that they're even trying to show that they care about an update schedule or any pressed timeframe updates going forward.

    It's a sad, sad state that this OS is in currently, and they're showing no signs of trying to right their wrongs. It's a sad position we're in, it makes me sad because I truly do love this OS, and it shows a sad future for this OS. My only light at the end of the tunnel is that this Nokia deal will somehow put a fire under MS's *** to get some updates quicker, more frequently, and with something resembling a sense of urgency.
    If WP7 is buggy, what do you call Andriod? The others release patches more frequently because they released their OS as crap. How long did it take iPhone to get copy/paste? I believe it was 3 years. M$ anounced that it was coming even before the phone was released because they listened to their supporters. Andriod gets updates that work on some phones but not on others or they never reach other phones. I was just talking to a friend of mine who loves Andriod however, he is frustrated waiting on updates. He currently has 2.1 and is waiting on 2.2. Version 2.3 has already been released so he is already 2 updates behind. Again, M$ promised a 1st quarter update, not Feb 7th.
    02-13-2011 12:14 PM
  24. gibbyhome's Avatar
    Well sot its march, at this point I'm glad we are getting something, I just don't understand Microsoft not talking about what they are fixing in this release ? the bluetooth bugs ? that is one of my big problems, aslo audio out through the usb port so I can listen to my musc in my care like my zune player ... I was told that wp7 does not have any audio or video out through the usb that is why I can't listen to music in my kenwood BT-900 radio that supports Zune...

    I am also woundering if the push back has something to do with Nokia getting into the game and getting any fixes for then incase they do get one to market before the next release of WP7 Software ...
    In my opinion they shoudl have once a month bug fixes released I don't care about features evey month if my mail has a bug I would think I could get a patch within 4 weeks not YEARS......
    Come on MS....
    02-13-2011 02:31 PM
  25. gibbyhome's Avatar
    Oh, yea I forgot to say that
    No, I don't beleave that WP7 is buggy but every eletronic device has bugs nomatter what its is so we should see updates frequently..
    02-13-2011 02:34 PM
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