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  1. gibbyhome's Avatar
    mgarcia.
    you can't compare Apples to Mango's LOL


    BRB, installing the fourth iOS update on my iPad since I've purchased my Focus.

    edit: LOL that one was only 8 sentences, is that too much for you? :)



    I guess you could say that the reason my posts aren't sugar coated is because it's sickening seeing the amount of optimism displayed by WP7 lovers in the face of Microsoft essentially laughing at their (our) past and present misfortune and fear of the future. The percentage of people on this website that take blatant lies and miscommunication from a company they support and just brush it off is really, really weird to me. I can't say I see this from any other manufacturer's fanbase.. maybe WebOS a little? LOL
    03-10-2011 09:29 PM
  2. kalldrexx's Avatar
    What is preventing Pandora from running on WP7? Where did you read that? Last.fm and Slacker are the same type of service, so I am having trouble buying that one.
    3rd party music services are pretty worthless to me right now without the ability for them to play music after leaving the app.
    03-11-2011 07:03 AM
  3. Rich Edmonds's Avatar
    3rd party music services are pretty worthless to me right now without the ability for them to play music after leaving the app.
    Was always the pain in the *** for me with Last.fm on-the-go. Gave up with third party services and went with Zune - seems alright apart from Windows Phone Connecter not copying downloaded tracks from the phone to my MacBook.
    03-11-2011 07:46 AM
  4. onemadrssn's Avatar
    What is preventing Pandora from running on WP7? Where did you read that? Last.fm and Slacker are the same type of service, so I am having trouble buying that one.
    WP7's API does not allow apps access to independent sockets. Apps can only connect to http and https servers right now. Pandora uses a different socket (and most likely ports other than 80 as well). This is also why chat protocols like gtalk and skype don't yet natively work either.

    There is a workaround, one could setup a proxy server to forward http connections from wp7 to the right connection (whatever that may be). This is what the folks making the Flory app are doing; it explains why a Flory account is required to sign into gchat using their app.

    The only explanation I can think of for why Last.fm and Slacker both work is that they both support streaming music over http or https, which Pandora does not.
    03-11-2011 08:54 AM
  5. Pete C's Avatar
    WP7's API does not allow apps access to independent sockets. Apps can only connect to http and https servers right now. Pandora uses a different socket (and most likely ports other than 80 as well). This is also why chat protocols like gtalk and skype don't yet natively work either.

    There is a workaround, one could setup a proxy server to forward http connections from wp7 to the right connection (whatever that may be). This is what the folks making the Flory app are doing; it explains why a Flory account is required to sign into gchat using their app.

    The only explanation I can think of for why Last.fm and Slacker both work is that they both support streaming music over http or https, which Pandora does not.
    Interesting. I thought it was purely Pandora's decision not to support the platform at this time since MS specifically touted Pandora as a launch app when there was no deal made. Weird that they would advertise the app if the platform can't even support the technology.
    03-11-2011 09:11 AM
  6. onemadrssn's Avatar
    Interesting. I thought it was purely Pandora's decision not to support the platform at this time since MS specifically touted Pandora as a launch app when there was no deal made. Weird that they would advertise the app if the platform can't even support the technology.
    There are hundreds of reasons that could explain why that deal fell apart. Maybe Pandora was not willing to re-engineer their services to work with http. Maybe MS initially was planning to allow connections to other sockets, but then was unable to deliver in time. Maybe MS was going to make an exception for Pandora but then changed their mind. Maybe someone got the other guy the wrong type of coffee during contract negotiations.

    I do hope this limitation is settled during the mango update, so that native chat clients can properly function, we well as Pandora.
    03-11-2011 09:56 AM
  7. Jay Bennett's Avatar
    I guess you could say that the reason my posts aren't sugar coated is because it's sickening seeing the amount of optimism displayed by WP7 lovers in the face of Microsoft essentially laughing at their (our) past and present misfortune and fear of the future. The percentage of people on this website that take blatant lies and miscommunication from a company they support and just brush it off is really, really weird to me. I can't say I see this from any other manufacturer's fanbase.. maybe WebOS a little? LOL
    Heh, I came to WP7 from Symbian, so I'm certainly used to delays.

    In honesty, aside from wanting Copy and Paste for my app as it will encourage more use, I'm still happy with user experience enough to not mind waiting for updates. I bought into the OS for what it was at the time of purchase, not for what it would become.
    03-11-2011 10:04 AM
  8. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    I love the Metro feel too. I'm glad MS said something on the missed update dates. I could give a hoot about cut and paste (until I really need it, LOL), I'm just wanting to see that they can deliver update in a timely manner, unlike the way Window Mobile was screwed up. So far, they have failed with a big fat red F. But I'll stick around, mainly because I'm still under contract until Jan. 2012. LOL.
    Haha I doubt they'd Kin the OS, but sales might influence how WP8 looks and behaves. I'm hoping the Metro style sticks around. It's sleek and easy to use.
    03-11-2011 10:35 AM
  9. tuffluck's Avatar
    i posted it on another thread and said exactly that: "buy the phone for what it is today, not what it will be."

    IMO, starting to regret the windows phone purchase, or maybe i'm just tired of it because nothing seems to updatedly-impress me. it's been how many months, like 6? there still are no decent cases or screen protectors for the focus (i've wasted $60 trying), no one has addressed the SD card issue (though mine works, luckily), there are like 3 free apps worth using and like 4 PAID apps worth buying (so i don't buy any at all anymore or even search and try any for that matter), and lastly, the update that was supposed to come at the beginning of the year is being pushed *LIKELY* to Q2 or beyond.

    why anyone would buy WP7 and not make note of the above situations is pretty ludicrous IMO.

    to note, the #1 biggest problem with the WP7 for me and probably 90% of people that came from the iphone, is that the apps really, really suck in comparison, and cost a lot more (to find out they suck).
    03-11-2011 11:13 AM
  10. kalldrexx's Avatar
    What are you looking for with a case? I bought this and I like it. I don't think it's ugly but it seems to offer good protection and holds my Focus well.

    I've ordered some screen protectors but I am only getting them today, so I can't comment on how well they work.
    03-11-2011 01:21 PM
  11. jimski's Avatar
    Damn, I guess you are just hard to please then. My AT&T branded screen protector works great. The HTC hard shell fits perfectly on my Surround. Found plenty of cases to fit my phone (hint:your phone is not unique, compare the size to other models w/cases) and I guess I don't know what I am missing with the 195 apps/games on my phone, about half of which are paid. Sure I would like updates more often but hey, that's how it goes. Maybe its time for you to move on before you have health issues from the stress though. Enjoy your new phone.

    Sent from my HTC Surround using Board Express
    03-11-2011 01:24 PM
  12. ctt1wbw's Avatar
    i posted it on another thread and said exactly that: "buy the phone for what it is today, not what it will be."

    IMO, starting to regret the windows phone purchase, or maybe i'm just tired of it because nothing seems to updatedly-impress me. it's been how many months, like 6? there still are no decent cases or screen protectors for the focus (i've wasted $60 trying), no one has addressed the SD card issue (though mine works, luckily), there are like 3 free apps worth using and like 4 PAID apps worth buying (so i don't buy any at all anymore or even search and try any for that matter), and lastly, the update that was supposed to come at the beginning of the year is being pushed *LIKELY* to Q2 or beyond.

    why anyone would buy WP7 and not make note of the above situations is pretty ludicrous IMO.

    to note, the #1 biggest problem with the WP7 for me and probably 90% of people that came from the iphone, is that the apps really, really suck in comparison, and cost a lot more (to find out they suck).
    Many of the apps for the iOS suck, too. There are many gems, like Things and Twitterific. But there are many reasons to stick with WP7, imho. The primary one is that it does NOT do notifications like the iOS does.
    03-11-2011 03:40 PM
  13. tuffluck's Avatar
    Many of the apps for the iOS suck, too. There are many gems, like Things and Twitterific. But there are many reasons to stick with WP7, imho. The primary one is that it does NOT do notifications like the iOS does.
    yeah, but it would really shock me if anyone actually believed the availability of free apps was more robust with WP7. there are so many apps that don't even have a free counterpart, which you could generally always find with apple.
    03-12-2011 11:25 AM
  14. Jay Bennett's Avatar
    the #1 biggest problem with the WP7 for me and probably 90% of people that came from the iphone, is that the apps really, really suck in comparison, and cost a lot more (to find out they suck).
    A fair point, as I said I came from Symbian, the app choice wasn't huge.

    I'd love to get some suggestions for apps you'd like to see, my first has been pretty successful (and it's free :) ) but as much as I want to move on to other projects I'm not going to crank out shovelware which drives up the app count, I'd rather get some quality out there
    03-12-2011 06:48 PM
  15. ctt1wbw's Avatar
    How about a good, juicy, fart app?
    03-12-2011 09:48 PM
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