09-21-2011 05:54 AM
109 1234 ...
tools
  1. theefman's Avatar
    The navigation feature as is should be removed, its dangerous, probably lead to accidents and resulting lawsuits, and shows that Microsoft have no clue how to compete. Bing navigation actually works as expected on a Windows Mobile device, is present on their competitors platforms yet somehow MS came to the conclusion that this implementation was acceptable. Its baffling how they could possibly imagine it was anything other than poor, and one can only hope that they will listen to her criticism and fix it, cos they sure aren't listening to those who actually bought devices.
    08-13-2011 12:49 PM
  2. 3migo's Avatar
    Great great read. I myself am I newb smartphone wise so my Nodo phone does everything for me but is great to read this from a power user such a Molly.

    Good to know she likes the groups and text messaging ( things am very excited about and it's good to know it works ), I don't know how to use GPS so the fact that the maps sucks like she tells it's very disappointing. Even worse is the fact that it won't get fixed into the 2012 Apollo build possibly. Seems like Android is lightyears ahead of WP7 in functionality but I can't use Android to save my life so I'm gonna stick with WP =).
    Android has also been out a lot longer. Google has had more time to sort through all the bugs and address them, while WP7 is still very young.

    The one thing that bothers me about Mango, is that while you have group messaging, whenever you send/receive a group message, it counts as an MMS message, instead of an SMS. I really hope that Microsoft corrects that issue.
    08-13-2011 01:30 PM
  3. Winterfang's Avatar
    What's the difference between MMS and SMS?
    08-13-2011 01:44 PM
  4. TheWeeBear's Avatar
    What's the difference between MMS and SMS?
    MMS can include a picture sent as a message and are usually chargable. SMS messages are just text and are usually included in your price plan. (Or a certain amount)
    08-13-2011 02:02 PM
  5. TheWeeBear's Avatar
    The one thing that bothers me about Mango, is that while you have group messaging, whenever you send/receive a group message, it counts as an MMS message, instead of an SMS. I really hope that Microsoft corrects that issue.
    Group Messaging in Mango: the MMS gambit | wpcentral | Windows Phone News, Forums, and Reviews

    Hope this helps 3migo :)

    I was actually charged for sending group messages and thankfully noticed the charge sooner rather than later. I discovered it was the groups that were sending MMS instead of SMS's which i thought would be the default.
    08-13-2011 02:03 PM
  6. Winterfang's Avatar
    Ooh my plan don't cover those, so I'm not sending any group messages. Does the Facebook and MSN integration messages count as MMS or are they Data enable?
    08-13-2011 02:20 PM
  7. cdook's Avatar
    The navigation feature as is should be removed, its dangerous, probably lead to accidents and resulting lawsuits, and shows that Microsoft have no clue how to compete. Bing navigation actually works as expected on a Windows Mobile device, is present on their competitors platforms yet somehow MS came to the conclusion that this implementation was acceptable. Its baffling how they could possibly imagine it was anything other than poor, and one can only hope that they will listen to her criticism and fix it, cos they sure aren't listening to those who actually bought devices.
    I totally agree. We've got this great new way go read and compose text messages that's going to save lives , but this GPS feature is going to make things worse. Hope it gets fixed or removed ASAP.
    08-13-2011 02:38 PM
  8. mmbond's Avatar
    The verdict is in. Molly Wood was pretty harsh but ultimately called it a push

    Videos - Free video downloads and streaming video - CNET TV
    08-19-2011 04:18 PM
  9. jmerrey's Avatar
    I'm a little concerned about her saying that the nav feature was going to be important for her. It doesn't really matter why you have to touch the screen to get every direction update, the fact is you do have to, which makes it almost dangerous to use.
    unfortunately, if we had proper navigation implementation, we'd have a winner in her eyes right now...

    edit: and I think she's saying it's a push to be nice; she said she likes it, doesn't love it, and it won't be her next phone.
    08-19-2011 04:25 PM
  10. mmbond's Avatar
    unfortunately, if we had proper navigation implementation, we'd have a winner in her eyes right now...

    edit: and I think she's saying it's a push to be nice; she said she likes it, doesn't love it, and it won't be her next phone.
    probably, but she focused mostly on the negative. no doubt, the nav is awful, but enought to slam the phone when alternative nav options exist? she was lukewarm about practically everything that wp is celebrated about in most circles including zunepass...

    bums me out because a lot of people visit cnet regularly and the outcome is not great. one of the risks you take when issuing a challenge. I can just see the flame wars commencing on engadget among other sites.
    08-19-2011 04:34 PM
  11. DontHate707's Avatar
    damnnnn can win em all i guess but ultimately shes needs a iphone plain and simple. and obviously ms needs to iron out the nav and use the "cloud" more.
    08-19-2011 04:48 PM
  12. mmbond's Avatar
    In the end, I think Brandon/MS should donate a grand to all the charities after each challenge as a true show of class. It would make for a win win for MS and the Challengee (is that a word?), by exposing all readers/viewers of the news what Brandon was doing to spread goodwill as well as awareness of WP in a fun and novel way.
    08-19-2011 05:03 PM
  13. jmerrey's Avatar
    I agree, they should donate the 1000 no matter what, good publicity. As for the challenge, I would say her assessment is very fair. MS is playing with the big boys now, and the general consumer doesn't care if you got a 3 year late start on OS development, if a patent is keeping you from implementing a service fully, or what. They really needed to hit a home run with Mango, and as much as we all like the interface, it's not a home run.
    08-19-2011 05:40 PM
  14. cdook's Avatar
    I have the impression that any press is good press. Even if Molly called WP7 trash it'd still help raise awareness. Plus she's familiar with it now so she might return to it some day. And I'm sure when a WP7 story is in the running she'll look into it more than before.
    08-19-2011 06:38 PM
  15. Winterfang's Avatar
    Sad to know she didn't like it. Even worse is that it happened for some very poorly made decisions by Microsoft. She seemed to had a good experience with it though just that those problems affected her personally.

    Donate the money Brandon.
    08-19-2011 06:52 PM
  16. mmbond's Avatar
    Surprisingly, Molly's written review is a bit more balanced and nuanced overall.

    Windows Phone 7 Challenge: Week 2, the verdict | Molly Rants - CNET News

    the sad thing is most will watch her sorely journalistic integrity-lacking , incredibly negative video review due to short attention spans. I;m sure Molly knows this and regrettably she tailored her reviews for both mediums based on that. Oh well...
    08-19-2011 06:55 PM
  17. bear_lx's Avatar
    i have to agree on this one , unfortunately... the nav and skydrive are lacking. and mango is great and all, but some key features are still missing! like custom ringtones ( the process is crazy to get a custom ringtone, i had a **** of a time finding free software to edit a song!!!)
    tile customization, wifi - bluetooth toggles... i mean c'mon ms... im given them till my next update to tweak this os and start advertising or i wont be buying another one either... as much as i hate to say that. i had a zune hd for 1 year and was forced to trade it for an ipod touch because i couldnt find any damn accessories for it. why? because who wants to make one when no one would buy one... its a great phone but not a homerun as stated, and it has to be to be a success... they are competing with heavy hitters. i love apps, and just like accessories no one will build them if no one will buy them. they have got to advertise, PERIOD! OTHERWISE IT WILL FAIL JUST LIKE THE ZUNE HD
    08-19-2011 06:58 PM
  18. starblade876's Avatar
    They should've given her an Arrive where TeleNav is free. :P I think T-Mo WPs get the same app free, too.

    The result's disappointing, but she made some valid points and, hopefully, MS is working on it and it'll be fixed in Tango or Apollo. I will agree with mmbond that she did seem to downplay the good things about the OS as if they're not really good.

    I also agree with mmbond about MS donating no matter what. I think I said that about the Scott Adams challenge since that result was more favorable.
    08-19-2011 07:52 PM
  19. Polychrome's Avatar
    My response:

    zune://navigate/?phoneappid=4504684d-d9da-df11-a844-00237de2db9e
    08-19-2011 07:53 PM
  20. bear_lx's Avatar
    They should've given her an Arrive where TeleNav is free. :P I think T-Mo WPs get the same app free, too.

    The result's disappointing, but she made some valid points and, hopefully, MS is working on it and it'll be fixed in Tango or Apollo. I will agree with mmbond that she did seem to downplay the good things about the OS as if they're not really good.

    I also agree with mmbond about MS donating no matter what. I think I said that about the Scott Adams challenge since that result was more favorable.
    should have been fixed in mango, and unless tango or apollo is right around the corner, ms could be in trouble...
    08-19-2011 08:03 PM
  21. GekkoAce's Avatar
    I agree with a lot of what Molly said. MS really needs to get some of the basic things fixed/finished.
    But... The alternative Android is so frustrating and the lack of security is very disconcerting.
    And... Apple... Their fricken attitude that they are invinsible and don't have to listen to their customers. I hated how they kept trying to take back my jailbreak. Just let me have my jailbroken iPhone if I want it and I'd be much happier with the iPhone.
    08-19-2011 08:07 PM
  22. starblade876's Avatar
    should have been fixed in mango, and unless tango or apollo is right around the corner, ms could be in trouble...
    I'm sure MS didn't think it was a great idea to have to tap to get the next direction. As many have speculated, I think there's some other reason as to why they had to implement it that way right now. I know that carriers like Verizon would rather have people pay for VZNav, the subscription GPS service they offer, instead of giving them a free GPS.

    On the Verizon HTC Touch Pro 2, one of the updates installs a "Bing for Verizon" app. The app seemed exactly the same as the normal Bing app that was found in the WM Marketplace, except for one thing, the free voice turn-by-turn navigation. When you enter an address on the normal app, you get the option to navigate or map it. In the "Bing for Verizon" version, instead of navigate, there's a link for VZNav.
    08-20-2011 12:53 AM
  23. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    I always thought the idea was crazy. Now all of CNET get to see her smash WP7.

    Sent from my Samsung Focus using Board Express
    08-20-2011 07:29 AM
  24. UpTownDC's Avatar
    I think that it was a very good idea for MS to do this but very bad planning!!! Why would you provide someone with a phone with beta software on it? Plus she needed to learn how to use the OS and navigate the phone. They should have provided her with a phone with RTM build installed. And also provided her with some support/instructions/help...because as all of you have seen...she had no clue what she was doing with the phone.
    08-20-2011 10:43 AM
  25. Winterfang's Avatar
    I think that it was a very good idea for MS to do this but very bad planning!!! Why would you provide someone with a phone with beta software on it? Plus she needed to learn how to use the OS and navigate the phone. They should have provided her with a phone with RTM build installed. And also provided her with some support/instructions/help...because as all of you have seen...she had no clue what she was doing with the phone.
    That was the point though. You might not believe this but windows phone 7 is pretty difficult to use for certain people. I know some guy that returned his HD7 because he didn't understood how to use it and end up with a G2X.
    08-20-2011 12:11 PM
109 1234 ...
LINK TO POST COPIED TO CLIPBOARD