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08-23-2011 12:48 PM
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  1. MedicX's Avatar
    Wow! I am amazed at how many Precentral users are here. I too have been on PreCentral ever since I got my Pre- back in late 2009. The community has been great. Half of the time I wouldn't even comment on things, just check-in to read posts or news.

    About a week ago, I took the plunge and bought a HTC Arrive from someone on Craigslist for $100. It is in mint condition. The hardware is solid.

    I had initially abandoned webOS last year around October after hearing that HP wasn't going to produce any devices... I bought the dang Evo. I LOVED the Google Navigation. LOVED IT! But to be honest, I am just not an Android person. Too open, and you DO have to worry about what you are downloading and from who.

    Well, I got rid of the Evo (both my wife's and mine) to someone on Craigslist after hearing that HP webOS was coming out with devices...and it was wait, wait, wait. I was a huge fan of the OS, always trying to sell people on it and showing off my Pre-. And for what? And then the rumor of it not coming to Sprint was like a slap in the face...

    I was in the ambulance with some down time approx a month ago and one of my partners had a Samsung Focus. He was trying to show it to me, and I gotta say, I was still trying to push webOS. I just wasn't a fan of those Big, Clunky tiles... But he apparently sold me on the idea between only scrolling down to see your favorite apps instead of all over the place (Android).

    I then ended up on here one night from the link at the top at PreCentral. Read about Mango. Had to know about it. Disappointed that Sprint only had the Arrive. But I read reviews on it. I had to at least try it.

    As others, I am still missing my webOS notifications, and the swiping off screen. But, I have to say one of the things that drew me to WP7 is the layout. I like scrolling to the side to see multiple pages when this would normally be done by pressing a menu key or going back to the main page of the application. I like the live tiles. The keyboard on the Arrive is awesome too. There are a lot of things that eat at me though too, but I am sure that most of these issues will be taken care of with Mango.

    So, until then, I'm waiting. Good luck with whatever you choose.
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    08-20-2011 09:18 PM
  2. nyquistjack's Avatar
    Precentral refugees...REPRESENT!!!

    Wife and I are 2 year Pre- users, went out to Sprint yesterday and got 2 arrives. I added links to my browsers for wpcentral, add RSS feeds to my readers and am trying to play catchup.

    So far, I like a lot of what the OS has to offer and especially love the minimal lag. I sadly HATE notifications on this system. No flashing LED and no unified location to look for notifications is driving me batty. I haven't looked to see if Mango fixes that, but man I sure hope it does.

    Anyone know of a way to get pandora working? I was shocked it wasn't available.

    Looking forward to getting to know some of the wpcentral peeps and hanging with the former precentral refugees.
    08-20-2011 10:30 PM
  3. smartpatrol's Avatar
    Anyone know of a way to get pandora working? I was shocked it wasn't available.
    Supposedly the Pandora website works in Mango's web browser (IE9). Hopefully there will be an official app soon, but I haven't heard anything about that.
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    08-20-2011 11:55 PM
  4. sinister4g63's Avatar
    Another webOS transplant here, I was always fascinated by WP7 but was too invested in webOS. Now with the current uncertainty of the future of that platform now seems as good of a time as any to give it a shot. Currently looking for a used Trophy for VZW. Don't want pay full price for it as there are new devices coming in the near future. Nodo kept me on the fence, but with the improvements that mango brings I am completely sold! Too bad I won't switch to AT&T because the used market is littered with WP7 devices.
    08-21-2011 12:15 PM
  5. justop26's Avatar
    Even though I have just a couple months of using WP7, I'm really happy to see so many quality PreCentral members coming to our board and community. Your liveliness and support for the better platform, the underdog is worthy of my admiration.

    Welcome, yet again! :)
    08-21-2011 12:58 PM
  6. thed's Avatar

    So far, I like a lot of what the OS has to offer and especially love the minimal lag. I sadly HATE notifications on this system. No flashing LED and no unified location to look for notifications is driving me batty. I haven't looked to see if Mango fixes that, but man I sure hope it does.
    Sadly, Mango doesn't add anything to the notification system. This kinda bummed me out since it's probably my biggest complaint about the OS. But there's too much I love about it to switch over that. I've learned to keep the tiles for all of my apps that give notifications in the same place so I can take a quick glance at all of them when I need to.
    Anyone know of a way to get pandora working? I was shocked it wasn't available.
    Currently, the OS doesn't support background audio for third party apps. I'm hoping that's why Pandora isn't available yet. Mango is adding background audio so keep your fingers crossed about Pandora :)

    In the mean time, there's always Slacker and Last.fm.
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    08-21-2011 01:18 PM
  7. nyquistjack's Avatar
    Sadly, Mango doesn't add anything to the notification system. This kinda bummed me out since it's probably my biggest complaint about the OS. But there's too much I love about it to switch over that. I've learned to keep the tiles for all of my apps that give notifications in the same place so I can take a quick glance at all of them when I need to.

    Currently, the OS doesn't support background audio for third party apps. I'm hoping that's why Pandora isn't available yet. Mango is adding background audio so keep your fingers crossed about Pandora :)

    In the mean time, there's always Slacker and Last.fm.
    Thanks for the info. I have to admit that the notification thing saddens me. Notifications were arguably one of the things webos did best. I take it there is nothing the homebrew arena either?
    08-21-2011 02:53 PM
  8. hes so hott's Avatar
    I'm on Precentral as well and current webOS user (Pre+ on AT&T). With HP's announcement I'm done. I was all set to get the Pre 3 on AT&T bc I'm eligible for an upgrade in Oct. I was and still am disappointed with the webOS news.

    However, I stayed up to date on all of the current smartphone offerings. The way I feel is that WP7 and IOS are the only systems that offer the elegance and ease of webOS. After playing around with an HD7S in the AT&T store on Saturday I know where I want to be.

    What I hope to see from the new WP7 phone releases this fall is front facing cameras and a bump in the processor specs. Also notifications that aren't intrusive and a pleasing text messaging interface, which sadly was lacking on WP7 and on Android. It sucks to the core that HP has abandoned webOS but I feel like Microsoft will be a good home. One where I don't have to worry about the craziness of Android.
    Last edited by playboy; 08-21-2011 at 03:46 PM.
    08-21-2011 03:41 PM
  9. L3vi's Avatar
    I'm on Precentral as well and current webOS user (Pre+ on AT&T). With HP's announcement I'm done. I was all set to get the Pre 3 on AT&T bc I'm eligible for an upgrade in Oct. I was and still am disappointed with the webOS news.

    However, I stayed up to date on all of the current smartphone offerings. The way I feel is that WP7 and IOS are the only systems that offer the elegance and ease of webOS. After playing around with an HD7S in the AT&T store on Saturday I know where I want to be.

    What I hope to see from the new WP7 phone releases this fall is front facing cameras and a bump in the processor specs. Also notifications that aren't intrusive and a pleasing text messaging interface, which sadly was lacking on WP7 and on Android. It sucks to the core that HP has abandoned webOS but I feel like Microsoft will be a good home. One where I don't have to worry about the craziness of Android.
    Welcome to WP7, hope you like your stay.

    I would also suggest you try the Focus, my favorite Windows Phone by far, 4" SAMOLED screen, 1500 mAh battery, and expandable memory.

    If you don't need a phone right now though, I would wait for the Mango devices, or just install Mango on the device you buy (it's a fairly simple process).
    08-21-2011 06:09 PM
  10. smartpatrol's Avatar
    Wife and I are 2 year Pre- users, went out to Sprint yesterday and got 2 arrives. I added links to my browsers for wpcentral, add RSS feeds to my readers and am trying to play catchup.
    FYI WPCentral has its own app. It's much better than reading the site in the browser IMO. Also check out the Board Express Pro app for accessing the message boards :)
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    08-21-2011 06:40 PM
  11. nyquistjack's Avatar
    FYI WPCentral has its own app. It's much better than reading the site in the browser IMO. Also check out the Board Express Pro app for accessing the message boards :)
    I'll definitely keep them in mind. I am under a staunch "no paid apps" rule right now. I want to make double extra sure we are sticking with this ecosystem before losing money in apps. I probably lost $150 in apps on webos :(
    08-22-2011 12:18 AM
  12. MedicX's Avatar
    However, I stayed up to date on all of the current smartphone offerings. The way I feel is that WP7 and IOS are the only systems that offer the elegance and ease of webOS. After playing around with an HD7S in the AT&T store on Saturday I know where I want to be.
    That is it! ELEGANCE! That is what it is. That is the reason I don't like Android. No elegance. It is just all over the place.
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    08-22-2011 12:27 PM
  13. sinister4g63's Avatar
    I feel aside from webOS, the most elegant is WP7. Apple and iOS don't even come close. The only thing that bums me out is no mobile hotspot. :(

    -- Sent from my Palm Pre using Forums
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    08-22-2011 02:48 PM
  14. sinister4g63's Avatar
    That and I don't know if I should just get a trophy now, or wait for new devices in the fall on VZW.

    -- Sent from my Palm Pre using Forums
    08-22-2011 02:49 PM
  15. selfcreation's Avatar
    I feel aside from webOS, the most elegant is WP7. Apple and iOS don't even come close. The only thing that bums me out is no mobile hotspot. :(

    -- Sent from my Palm Pre using Forums

    yeah that kinda sucks , i keep my OLD WM phone ( Omnia 2 ) so I can use my WIFI hotspot at my cottage.

    but keep that frown upside-down , im sure its gona be coming soon ;)
    08-22-2011 02:51 PM
  16. smartpatrol's Avatar
    That is it! ELEGANCE! That is what it is. That is the reason I don't like Android. No elegance. It is just all over the place.
    Definitely. I used a Palm Pre- for 1 year, bought into the Android hype and "upgraded" to an Evo 4G, then ditched it after 8 months for an HD7.

    I was extremely underwhelmed by Android. It's a mess of gaudy widgets and ugly-*** icons everywhere. There's no unified theme or vision to its design.

    Plus, the performance is absolutely terrible. The framerate stutters all the time and there is a split second of input lag that feels VERY annoying compared to an iPhone or WP7 device. (In fact, I was blown away by how much more usable the WP7 on-screen keyboard is due to the instantaneous response time.) The OS is supposed to keep track of what apps to kill and what apps to keep running in the background, but it does a terrible job of it, and you need to reboot at least once a day to keep your performance from slowing to a crawl.

    The funny thing is, the HD7 has basically the exact same internals as the Evo 4G and has a smaller battery, but it blows the Evo away in terms of performance AND battery life!
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    08-22-2011 02:57 PM
  17. Wiccan Lagar's Avatar
    Not WP7 user YET but I will be soon. Just have to make a choice on what to get. Looking into switching to Tmobile because the Big Red Wolf huffs and puffs and blows my checking account balance down. Saw the HTC HD7 on display in the store a few weeks and wow what a device. Damn solid and beautiful. I will be honest. Put the Pre 2 hardware to shame.

    Unfortunately I never got a chance to play with the WP7 OS. The phone was off and it didn't boot. While I know it's not going to be WebOS and have all the cool things that I like about WebOS, I read enough reviews to make my choice to jump ship to WP7. (Still want to play with the OS JUUUSSSTTTTT to be sure :P)

    My only conundrum is whether I go HTC DV7 or Dell Venue Pro. I'm not sure how well I can fair off without a physical keyboard. :/ I am a rather fast typer and even on the cramped keyboard of my pre 2 I fire off messages at an alarming rate. Not sure if a touch full touchscreen keyboard would be able to cut it for me.

    Also I heard a few problems with the Dell Venue Pro (WiFi issues, freezing, call quality not so hot, recemption on TMobile not so great, ect) and quite frankly it scares me a bit. I am actually asking for your help.

    Any words of wisdom from the folks here?

    Also, as a side note, I would like to say that the welcome WPCentral is giving the WebOS community is astounding. Seems like a cool place to hang. I read the articles almost every morning on the commute to work. Can't wait to REALLY be part of the community.
    08-22-2011 03:37 PM
  18. smartpatrol's Avatar
    My only conundrum is whether I go HTC DV7 or Dell Venue Pro. I'm not sure how well I can fair off without a physical keyboard. :/ I am a rather fast typer and even on the cramped keyboard of my pre 2 I fire off messages at an alarming rate. Not sure if a touch full touchscreen keyboard would be able to cut it for me.

    Also I heard a few problems with the Dell Venue Pro (WiFi issues, freezing, call quality not so hot, recemption on TMobile not so great, ect) and quite frankly it scares me a bit. I am actually asking for your help.
    A recent firmware update FINALLY fixed the connection/freezing issues with the Venue Pro. You can buy the 16GB version unlocked directly from Dell for $299 or free on contract, which seems like a darn good deal to me.

    As far as the need for a physical keyboard goes. . . I'd say the virtual keyboard in WP7 is the best I've used. It's not quite as good as a real physical keyboard, but it completely blows away any Android virtual KB that I've used. WP7's fast performance and instantaneous response to your input really makes a world of difference when typing. I would recommend trying out the virtual keyboard for yourself before you make the decision.
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    08-22-2011 03:46 PM
  19. theefman's Avatar
    Not WP7 user YET but I will be soon. Just have to make a choice on what to get.

    Also I heard a few problems with the Dell Venue Pro (WiFi issues, freezing, call quality not so hot, recemption on TMobile not so great, ect) and quite frankly it scares me a bit. I am actually asking for your help.

    Any words of wisdom from the folks here?
    DVP owner here. After the latest firmware update, NO crashes, NO freezing, call quality has always been good, reception improved but I am starting to think the problem is also with T-Mobile as my HD2 shows the same behaviour of switching between G/E/3G, could be dependent on area.

    Vs the HD7 I prefer the DVP screen and keyboard, camera not too good in low light but daylight shots can be very good.

    BUT, if the rumours are true T-Mo could get a 4.5" Mango HTC handset, with later hardware, possible FFC, may be worth holding on for.
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    08-22-2011 03:48 PM
  20. Wiccan Lagar's Avatar
    Well that's comforting to know that the virtual keyboard is accurate and responsive. Seeing I can't actually try out a dvp I will have to make judgement on the hd7. The problem is I have panda paws for hands. Which is why I have to be careful of the keyboard I type on. I will give the hd7 a spin tonight. Won't know until I get my paws on it.

    And I do concur: the android virtual keyboard was an atrocity. Thanks for the advice and updaes on stability issues. You guys are great.
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    08-22-2011 05:17 PM
  21. Wiccan Lagar's Avatar
    Well, I went to TMobile last night and played around with the phone.

    1st and formost was that the HD7 responsive. The keyboard did not lag AT ALL. A+ in my book. However I can't see myself using only a virtual. I missed the physical touch of a key within minutes.

    Looks like a Dell Venue Pro it is for me. Thanks Sharksandwich and efman for letting me know about the bug fixes and your quick responses.

    I think I am gonna like it here in WPCentral. Cool peeps! :)
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    08-23-2011 12:48 PM
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