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  1. ikkf's Avatar
    Editorial: Windows Phone 7 is Winning

    Market share numbers are important, but so is momentum. Momentum is the feeling of forward-progress; it's what creates excitement, draws anticipation, and makes people become true fanatics towards a given product. Momentum is the critical "X factor" that any new product needs to succeed. Windows Phone 7 has this momentum.

    [...]

    Where is this momentum coming from? Let's dissect the situation.

    The Product

    Windows Phone 7 is good. The experience is unlike anything else you can get from an Android, iPhone, or BlackBerry. It's super-smooth, super-pretty, and it brings forth new interface paradigms that just make sense. With Mango we get fast-app switching, a new browser, plus a host of new goodies. While the Mango features don't leapfrog beyond the competition, they serve to make a great platform better
    09-06-2011 02:11 PM
  2. Reflexx's Avatar
    Nice article!
    09-06-2011 03:52 PM
  3. Rodolfo#WP's Avatar
    Good to see this and thanks for the link: let's see if these guys' editorial walk matches this rare talk.
    09-06-2011 04:26 PM
  4. red grenadine's Avatar
    Premature. Microsoft and Nokia (and other OEMs) need to execute before we can start trumpeting these kinds of statements.

    WebOS was all kinds of pretty and had some significant momentum in its early stages. I know Microsoft is in a different boat with boatloads of cash to throw at this and a good and improving ecosystem, but we have to see the sales and the marketshare increases before pronouncing the platform as 'winning.'

    Are the potential ingredients there? Yes. It just needs to come together and I hope it does
    09-06-2011 07:57 PM
  5. cckgz4's Avatar
    I'm optimistic
    09-06-2011 08:36 PM
  6. baseballbert's Avatar
    VIVA EL TELEPHONO VENTANAS SIETE

    Sent from my SGH-i917 using Board Express
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    09-06-2011 11:45 PM
  7. cckgz4's Avatar
    Let me add that I'm slightly bothered by not only of the early bragging, but of the overused Net lingo that's in the title.
    09-06-2011 11:51 PM
  8. Reflexx's Avatar
    Let me add that I'm slightly bothered by not only of the early bragging, but of the overused Net lingo that's in the title.
    Hahaha. Imagine how I feel. The other internet handle I use is "Winning Guy." I've been using it for over 10 yrs. And then this year people would start thinking I was just jumping on the "winning" bandwagon. lol. So here I am on this site... using my other handle instead.
    09-07-2011 08:54 AM
  9. Winterfang's Avatar
    Winning what? Where's the mango hype? where's the new phones? where's nokia?

    Sorry, I'm a little bitter :P
    09-07-2011 09:01 AM
  10. Jazmac's Avatar
    I think he was dead on. From a thousand feet up, which is where this article positions itself, he is absolutely ON POINT. And I agree.
    09-07-2011 11:20 AM
  11. jesdt's Avatar
    zzz... iOS and Android "teen platforms"? These platforms work, so stop trying to kid yourself.

    The SeaRay is just mediocre hardware, talking about "incredible" or even "standard hardware" is just uninformed.

    The amount of money Microsoft has to throw at projects doesn't state anything about it being successful or "winning".

    "Winning" implies superiority over competition, which is not visible -- maybe "gaining momentum", but not "winning". Still no numbers to back this up.

    It's only cool if Charlie Sheen uses that word.
    09-07-2011 01:34 PM
  12. Jazmac's Avatar
    What is mediocre about the hardware on the SeaRay as it relates to running Angry Birds? Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, Word with Friends / Alpha Jax, Telenav, Office, Pandora, Iheart radio, 4th and Mayor, EasyTube, FoodSpotting, Fuse, Huffington Post, Kik Messenger, Netflix or whatever else available on the market?

    What?

    What is your answer jesdt? Do you have one? See you guys talk this mediocre nonsense as if you're sitting at a desktop when you are not.

    There is a good deal more to consider when you are playing the long game as Microsoft is playing right now.

    At this point in its existence, it has MORE applications to date than both IOS and the ad agency in the same amount of time.

    That is Winning.

    WP7 has most of the mobile standards in place.

    That is winning.

    In time, it will be a dominate player in the mobile market. You can't see it because your metrics are outdated and severely flawed.
    09-07-2011 07:45 PM
  13. wolf1891's Avatar
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    The SeaRay is just mediocre hardware, talking about "incredible" or even "standard hardware" is just uninformed.
    ...
    we have NO actual facts about the Sea Ray at this point but, somehow you are able to claim that it is mediocre hardware? I've got a silly idea, why not wait till there is an actual announcement from Nokia showing an actual production model with actual specs before you start slamming the darned thing?
    09-07-2011 08:28 PM
  14. Rodolfo#WP's Avatar
    VIVA EL TELEPHONO VENTANAS SIETE

    Sent from my SGH-i917 using Board Express
    Telefono, actually, but very good. Viva los Gigantes! ;)
    09-07-2011 09:30 PM
  15. astroXP's Avatar
    VIVA EL TELEPHONO VENTANAS SIETE

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    This made me giggle :giggle: - it sounds so weird in Spanish :lol:
    09-07-2011 09:33 PM
  16. starblade876's Avatar
    To all the ones questioning the "winning," I think it's just a pun on the meme and the "win" in "Windows." Someone had/has an avatar on the site with Charlie Sheen, part of the Windows Phone logo, and "ning", which visually illustrates the play on the meme.
    09-08-2011 12:05 AM
  17. ikkf's Avatar
    Sort of a related article about Win 8 and the possibility that WP apps will run on it:

    Windows 8 will be able to run Windows Phone apps, says Nvidia

    The fact that Microsoft hasnt yet announced this capability, if it is indeed true, is puzzling, as it would no doubt be a boon to Windows Phone 7 app development, which is already trudging forward at a healthy pace despite languid sales of WP7 devices at retail. The Windows Phone Marketplace surpassed 30,000 apps about a week ago.
    09-08-2011 07:31 AM
  18. bear_lx's Avatar
    really looking forward to win8 "apollo" and some fresh tablets runing it, that would complete my eco-system...
    09-08-2011 08:07 AM
  19. Reflexx's Avatar
    I've heard rumors that Windows 8 might actually not be called Windows 8. Not sure if there's validity to it, but it would be interesting.
    09-08-2011 08:58 AM
  20. jesdt's Avatar
    we have NO actual facts about the Sea Ray at this point but, somehow you are able to claim that it is mediocre hardware? I've got a silly idea, why not wait till there is an actual announcement from Nokia showing an actual production model with actual specs before you start slamming the darned thing?
    So I checked again for some kind of source but couldn't find one. I still remember though, that I've read that the SeaRay does not have the highest end hardware possible and there might be better Nokia WP7 phones. With your statement though, my point still stands: when there are no facts about it, the editorial author shouldn't praise it as god-sent hardware and "industry standard" either. Do you want to send him your silly idea too, or shall I?

    really looking forward to win8 "apollo" and some fresh tablets runing it, that would complete my eco-system...
    You are mixing it up. Apollo is the WP8 OS for phones. Win8 for tablets and desktops.
    1jaxstate1 likes this.
    09-08-2011 11:49 AM
  21. wolf1891's Avatar
    So I checked again for some kind of source but couldn't find one. I still remember though, that I've read that the SeaRay does not have the highest end hardware possible and there might be better Nokia WP7 phones. With your statement though, my point still stands: when there are no facts about it, the editorial author shouldn't praise it as god-sent hardware and "industry standard" either. Do you want to send him your silly idea too, or shall I?
    I am inclined to agree with you on the silliness of any editorial or review that makes blind assumptions about what Nokia will be coming out with while having little or no actual info to back up those assumptions. I like Nokia, I like what they have shown that they CAN do in terms of high-end/high quality hardware but, until we see some actual phones getting out into the wild where they can be honestly reviewed/tested then we just do not KNOW anything (regardless of what we want to believe).
    09-08-2011 02:46 PM
  22. smartpatrol's Avatar
    So I checked again for some kind of source but couldn't find one. I still remember though, that I've read that the SeaRay does not have the highest end hardware possible and there might be better Nokia WP7 phones. With your statement though, my point still stands: when there are no facts about it, the editorial author shouldn't praise it as god-sent hardware and "industry standard" either. Do you want to send him your silly idea too, or shall I?
    Nokia's high-end phones have AMOLED displays, unibody design, Gorilla Glass cover, Carl Zeiss camera lenses (BY FAR the best you can get in a smartphone), excellent battery life, HDMI out, OVI Maps (which I hear is the best navigation/maps software out there), and great call quality. N9 has all that, Sea Ray will have all that, and we have every reason to be excited about it.

    Yes, Sea Ray is probably based on a 1GHz 1st-gen Snapdragon and probably has 512MB of RAM just like the other Windows Phones. So what? WP7 runs amazingly well on that hardware, and Mango actually improves performance on the same hardware. Mango runs smoother on the single-core Snapdragon than any dual-core Android phone I've tried, so I don't really see how this is a big downside to the Sea Ray. Besides, the Thunderbolt, Charge, and Incredible 2 have all been selling like hotcakes lately, and they all use "oudated" single-core CPUs just like the Sea Ray.

    Bottom line: just because the internal specs don't sound very exciting compared to the latest dual-core Android phones, that's not necessarily going to hurt the user experience or the sales of the Sea Ray. There is still a lot to be excited about.
    Last edited by sharksandwich; 09-08-2011 at 05:39 PM.
    09-08-2011 05:20 PM
  23. jesdt's Avatar
    I didn't rate the user experience of the SeaRay with my post but am criticizing the editorial with its subjective and unproven statements. If you have a reliable source with a detailed spec sheet, it would be amazing if you could provide the link to it. You also seem to know of tests and industry comparisons for the camera lense, navigation software and call quality. Please share them with us. (Again, I'm not criticizing the device but you for just saying "Best Best Best" even as we already made the point that this device hasn't been reviewed or tested yet)

    And as you mentioned, the high-tier hardware of WP7 devices is not on-par with the high-tier Android hardware. So, calling the SeaRay's hardware "industry standard" as did the author, is total bullocks as well.

    Bottom Line: I love WP7 but that is a bad editorial. Don't fall for content without substance just because it praises your favourite.
    09-08-2011 11:55 PM
  24. Noidd's Avatar
    What is mediocre about the hardware on the SeaRay as it relates to running Angry Birds? Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, Word with Friends / Alpha Jax, Telenav, Office, Pandora, Iheart radio, 4th and Mayor, EasyTube, FoodSpotting, Fuse, Huffington Post, Kik Messenger, Netflix or whatever else available on the market?

    What?

    What is your answer jesdt? Do you have one? See you guys talk this mediocre nonsense as if you're sitting at a desktop when you are not.

    There is a good deal more to consider when you are playing the long game as Microsoft is playing right now.

    At this point in its existence, it has MORE applications to date than both IOS and the ad agency in the same amount of time.

    That is Winning.

    WP7 has most of the mobile standards in place.

    That is winning.

    In time, it will be a dominate player in the mobile market. You can't see it because your metrics are outdated and severely flawed.
    In my opinion, I don't think you can attribute app numbers as a marker to the success of WP7. You have to remember that when iOS came out that this whole "app" ecosystem was relatively new and not many people jumped on board with it right away including devs.

    Now with Android, you had a decent dev community but nothing like iOS at the time so the progress was relatively slow. Once devs saw that Android was gaining market share, they decided to do double duty with the more popular apps and games and just ported them.

    What I think will make WP7 successful is the UI coupled with functionality that makes the overall experience more appeasing to consumers. If WP7 stays locked up like iOS, I think that will put off a lot of people who love the customization of Android. Hopefully, WP7 will get it's own "jailbreak" so it would level the playing field even that much more across all platforms.

    As a side note, I love the WP7 experience as far as the UI goes. The initial offering of the OS left a lot to be desired and put off quite a few people that I know. With Mango, I hope those people will try it once again...
    09-09-2011 02:50 AM
  25. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    Even though you are 100% correct, you'll never get your point across. You are using logic and facts on a fan site.
    I didn't rate the user experience of the SeaRay with my post but am criticizing the editorial with its subjective and unproven statements. If you have a reliable source with a detailed spec sheet, it would be amazing if you could provide the link to it. You also seem to know of tests and industry comparisons for the camera lense, navigation software and call quality. Please share them with us. (Again, I'm not criticizing the device but you for just saying "Best Best Best" even as we already made the point that this device hasn't been reviewed or tested yet)

    And as you mentioned, the high-tier hardware of WP7 devices is not on-par with the high-tier Android hardware. So, calling the SeaRay's hardware "industry standard" as did the author, is total bullocks as well.

    Bottom Line: I love WP7 but that is a bad editorial. Don't fall for content without substance just because it praises your favourite.
    Last edited by 1jaxstate1; 09-09-2011 at 01:40 PM.
    09-09-2011 10:47 AM
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