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  1. Reflexx's Avatar
    Just a few bits:

    1. Windows 8 on ARM will have Desktop mode too.

    2. Existing Desktop applications can be recompiled to run on ARM.

    3. Decision on whether to charge for ARM version or not is up to developers.

    4. Tablet that was given to developers at BUILD is a special device tailored to developers' needs (Intel i5 CPU, 4GB of RAM, etc) - that's why it has a fan. The devices for end-users won't have a fan obviously and will be lighter and power efficient.
    1. I don't think that's accurate. Are you sure? I'd love to see something verifying this since I've only read the opposite.

    2. I don't think this is accurate either. Maybe a few applications can be switched over with a few minor tweaks if they were based on managed code. But I don't think that's the case with most.

    4. I have a feeling that most (if not all) of the x86/x64 devices will have fans.
    09-19-2011 12:33 PM
  2. ninjaap's Avatar
    Just a few bits:

    1. Windows 8 on ARM will have Desktop mode too.
    I'm pretty sure I've read the opposite.
    09-19-2011 01:08 PM
  3. ninjaap's Avatar
    @Pronk I don't think there will be as much confusion as everyone might expect. I've read that MS will pay special attention to the way they market ARM tablets.
    09-19-2011 01:10 PM
  4. Pronk's Avatar
    I think they'll have to, or they could end up with a real mess!
    09-19-2011 04:03 PM
  5. ninjaap's Avatar
    It really shouldn't be that big of change. Right now people know the difference between Home, Professional and Ultimate. MS is just really adding a forth option: ARM. How confusing could that be? The first 3 will have both desktop and metro style and ARM will just have metro. Sounds easy to me.
    09-19-2011 04:46 PM
  6. smartpatrol's Avatar
    I've been using Windows 8 as my main OS for the last few days. I was skeptical at first but now I'm really warming up to it.

    My 2 biggest gripes:
    1. No easy way to shut down! You either have to it from the desktop settings menu, or by logging off, unlocking the computer, and selecting the shutdown option.

    2. Apps don't always seem to suspend properly. Some games keep running in the background even if you exit out of them. You have to open another app before they suspend.

    One minor gripe/observation:
    You have to go to the Start screen to launch a desktop app? It seems a bit jarring to have to leave the desktop entirely in order to open a desktop app.


    Overall, though, I'm excited about Windows 8. I love the metro interface with live tiles. I definitely love the way Metro apps can suspend/resume so amazingly fast. It's great for performance/battery life. I love the idea that all Metro apps will be able to run on x86 and ARM.

    It looks like Windows 8 will have some Touchpad-like features as well. From a leaked image, it looks like you will be able to answer calls/view missed calls, manage text messages, etc. from your Windows 8 device.

    Oh yeah and one other thing: I took a picture with my webcam to use as my Windows 8 user picture. Then later I noticed the "Me" tile on my Windows Phone. . . it was updated with that picture! Crazy!
    09-19-2011 05:17 PM
  7. Reflexx's Avatar
    Looks like futurix was right.

    Microsoft: Desktop apps will run on Windows 8 on ARM | ZDNet

    There will be a Desktop on ARM. And with a recompile (and likely some small coding changes), many traditional Windows programs will be able to run on ARM Desktop.

    I'm sure there will be many hardcore programs that won't. But it's still cool to know that some will.
    09-19-2011 05:41 PM
  8. SirHaxalot's Avatar
    I'm pretty sure I've read the opposite.
    The first time Microsoft showed IE10 to the public they did that on a ARM powered laptop. That was Widnows 7 though as far as the eye could tell but I don't think that they would have mentioned it if they wasn't planing on bringing the desktop experience to ARM devices.
    09-19-2011 05:56 PM
  9. ninjaap's Avatar
    This one says no legacy programs on ARM: Microsoft planning to market Windows 8 ARM in a unique way, different naming? | WinRumors

    Steven Sinofsky, chief of Windows and Windows Live, was forced to admit to financial analysts on Wednesday that typical x86 legacy desktop applications will not run on Windows 8 ARM. Sinofsky said the choice was to ensure the experience of battery life and other ARM benefits are fully supported in Windows 8. Microsoft also wants to shift ARM forwards to be Metro only and avoid some of the pitfalls of the x86 experience of Windows, viruses and malware.

    Yes it was stated that you can recompile and it will run. But I think the point they are trying to make is that it's possible, but they would rather not support it as it will degrade ARM performance.
    09-19-2011 05:56 PM
  10. Reflexx's Avatar
    It sounds to me like the desktop version of ARM will be focused on smaller, less power hungry, productivity applications. But things that may not fit being a Metro Style App for some reason or another. I'm guessing that it would be mostly business stuff.

    But power hungry programs like Autodesk Maya likely won't be recompiled for ARM. Even
    if ARM became powerful enough, some programs require multiple windows being open at the same time. And some almost require having more than one monitor in order to be used efficiently.
    09-19-2011 06:45 PM
  11. Pronk's Avatar
    It really shouldn't be that big of change. Right now people know the difference between Home, Professional and Ultimate. MS is just really adding a forth option: ARM. How confusing could that be? The first 3 will have both desktop and metro style and ARM will just have metro. Sounds easy to me.
    Except that all current versions of windows are basically the same thing and will run the same stuff. An ARM and x86 split means for the first time you'll have two OSs with the same name (unless they do go with some form of clear differentiation) that aren't necessarily compatible at all.

    Anyway, we're all basically guessing right now and will have to see what happens!
    09-20-2011 05:10 AM
  12. Sparxy19's Avatar
    If MS market this right i think it will be easy for people who are'nt exactly tech savvy to work out the difference between an ARM device and a x86 device.
    09-20-2011 06:58 AM
  13. ninjaap's Avatar
    Except that all current versions of windows are basically the same thing and will run the same stuff. An ARM and x86 split means for the first time you'll have two OSs with the same name (unless they do go with some form of clear differentiation) that aren't necessarily compatible at all.

    Anyway, we're all basically guessing right now and will have to see what happens!
    In the same article link I posted above they (MS officials) have realized, from talking to the audience in BUILD, that they will in fact have to make a clear distinction to prevent confusion.

    I think one way they could Market is to put Metro (let's call it Metro for now) only devices behind Home or Starter (if it still will exists). So it will be Metro, Starter, Home, Pro, Ultimate. PRetty much everyone knows that the lower you go from Ultimate, the less features you get.

    Yep, you're right. It's all a guess. But it's part of the fun! :)
    09-20-2011 12:08 PM
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